Problem in buddhism

[SSonic9999]

I dont even have to know whats the ultimate truth is
I live day to day bro

I value simplicity of life even it cost the truth





I believe in myself





Good question

In order to live like a decent human being.

You know even Lord Buddha himself uttered that its not imperative to believe in karma yet do good deeds to live on the society

Machan elakiri eke mehema danawata wada narakada uba tikak Buddist mewata adala readings tikak kiyewwa nam..ubata one tharam hoya ganna puluwan.. uba ahana dewal walin machan penne uba zero wath danne na kiyana eka.. mama Cristiyan Islam igana gena thiyanawa..ubath eka karapan.. kawru kiwwath api ape oluwe balala hari de witharak oluwata gamu..

 

[ela_eluwa120]

Good question

In order to live like a decent human being.

You know even Lord Buddha himself uttered that its not imperative to believe in karma yet do good deeds to live on the society

You may be correct when it comes to your last statement. However, Budhdha said that there is karma and you should do good karma. Anyways, one can be good based on karmic believes and also one can be good based on some doctrine other than karma, say ten commandments for example.

Anyways, so you are telling me that you are doing good, and by doing so, you are hoping to be a decent human being. But why? Whats the point of being a decent human being? Consider what happens when go to a dentist (like dath kimbula). He would use his variuos devices to drill your teeth, and to do so, he would numb your mouth by some sort of injection. Plus, you need to pay him too. (Well, if it is our dath kimbula, he would not take money from you. But, a typical dentist would ask you to pay) The point is, if going to the dentist does not give you a benefit, namely good oral health, there is no point of going to the dentist and getting your teeth drilled. It would be a waste of money.

Being a decent human being is also like that. It is not a easy thing to be decent. Being decent has a cost, just like going to the dentist. Donating for charity is a good thing, but doing so eliminate your chance of spending your money for something that serve your interest. So, after all, why be good and decent by undergoing the cost of being decent. Whats the point? Well, being decent has social rewards. It saves you from going to jail. So, is being decent something like going to the dentist? In other words, is the only reason for being a decent human being is the fact that the consequences of doing so (avoiding jail sentences) is desirable?

Since you do not believe in karma, are you being decent only for its desirable consequences like avoiding jail sentences? If not, why are you being a decent human being? Whats the point?

If you are being decent to avoid being arrested, it entails that you only need to appear as if you are a decent human. Do you still think you should really be decent, or do you think that all you need is to simply appear as decent.

If you think that you shoul really be decent, then why?

 

[Zeus]

Machan elakiri eke mehema danawata wada narakada uba tikak Buddist mewata adala readings tikak kiyewwa nam..ubata one tharam hoya ganna puluwan.. uba ahana dewal walin machan penne uba zero wath danne na kiyana eka.. mama Cristiyan Islam igana gena thiyanawa..ubath eka karapan.. kawru kiwwath api ape oluwe balala hari de witharak oluwata gamu..

Thanks a lot for your suggestion

But Im not even gonna justify my asking with you

You may be correct when it comes to your last statement. However, Budhdha said that there is karma and you should do good karma. Anyways, one can be good based on karmic believes and also one can be good based on some doctrine other than karma, say ten commandments for example.

Anyways, so you are telling me that you are doing good, and by doing so, you are hoping to be a decent human being. But why? Whats the point of being a decent human being? Consider what happens when go to a dentist (like dath kimbula). He would use his variuos devices to drill your teeth, and to do so, he would numb your mouth by some sort of injection. Plus, you need to pay him too. (Well, if it is our dath kimbula, he would not take money from you. But, a typical dentist would ask you to pay) The point is, if going to the dentist does not give you a benefit, namely good oral health, there is no point of going to the dentist and getting your teeth drilled. It would be a waste of money.

Being a decent human being is also like that. It is not a easy thing to be decent. Being decent has a cost, just like going to the dentist. Donating for charity is a good thing, but doing so eliminate your chance of spending your money for something that serve your interest. So, after all, why be good and decent by undergoing the cost of being decent. Whats the point? Well, being decent has social rewards. It saves you from going to jail. So, is being decent something like going to the dentist? In other words, is the only reason for being a decent human being is the fact that the consequences of doing so (avoiding jail sentences) is desirable?

Since you do not believe in karma, are you being decent only for its desirable consequences like avoiding jail sentences? If not, why are you being a decent human being? Whats the point?

If you are being decent to avoid being arrested, it entails that you only need to appear as if you are a decent human. Do you still think you should really be decent, or do you think that all you need is to simply appear as decent.

If you think that you shoul really be decent, then why?

Good point. Let me explain it as simply as possible.

In almost all theistic religions , they try to interpret as much as they can and stop at God at the point which beyond their level of understanding. They do not justify make no reason or argument.
Comparing to Buddhism such religions are so primitive regardless which teaching is much more truthful .

But take one catholic and Buddhist in day to day life. Can you see any remarkable difference of their actions, Behavior ? (Of coz its ok to kill animals for meat in some religions but Buddhism, then take Hindu and Buddhist and apply the theory)

Knowing all that complex theories like Nirvana, reincarnation and Karma does it make you noble than me ?
You have to work through it and see the light for yourself through perseverance. And Im just not ready to scarifies the simplicity of my life in order to achieve it.

Now answer for your question. Why decent ?
Because Im hardwired to take joy of helping others , in every possible way. You may ask why again
Well the word "hardwired" explains it. That means you dont rationalize or reason.

Decency is widely accepted idea through the society being decent helps you to cope with it. And I enjoy being decent in some ways. Thats it I dont care for father explanations
Just like catholic people does not seeking for further explanations as I mentions initially

If you ask why again that means you need some medical care rather than attain nibbana.

 

[Fox C2]

 

[Y2K]

Thanks a lot for your suggestion

But Im not even gonna justify my asking with you



Good point. Let me explain it as simply as possible.

In almost all theistic religions , they try to interpret as much as they can and stop at God at the point which beyond their level of understanding. They do not justify make no reason or argument.
Comparing to Buddhism such religions are so primitive regardless which teaching is much more truthful .

But take one catholic and Buddhist in day to day life. Can you see any remarkable difference of their actions, Behavior ? (Of coz its ok to kill animals for meat in some religions but Buddhism, then take Hindu and Buddhist and apply the theory)

Knowing all that complex theories like Nirvana, reincarnation and Karma does it make you noble than me ?
You have to work through it and see the light for yourself through perseverance. And Im just not ready to scarifies the simplicity of my life in order to achieve it.

Now answer for your question. Why decent ?
Because Im hardwired to take joy of helping others , in every possible way. You may ask why again
Well the word "hardwired" explains it. That means you dont rationalize or reason.

Decency is widely accepted idea through the society being decent helps you to cope with it. And I enjoy being decent in some ways. Thats it I dont care for father explanations
Just like catholic people does not seeking for further explanations as I mentions initially

If you ask why again that means you need some medical care rather than attain nibbana.

Why decent ? good question I would also like to add
everything is impermanent ? or meaningless? every desire is bad?

 

[Y2K]

mmm

 

[ela_eluwa120]

Good point. Let me explain it as simply as possible.

In almost all theistic religions , they try to interpret as much as they can and stop at God at the point which beyond their level of understanding. They do not justify make no reason or argument.
Comparing to Buddhism such religions are so primitive regardless which teaching is much more truthful .

But take one catholic and Buddhist in day to day life. Can you see any remarkable difference of their actions, Behavior ? (Of coz its ok to kill animals for meat in some religions but Buddhism, then take Hindu and Buddhist and apply the theory)

Knowing all that complex theories like Nirvana, reincarnation and Karma does it make you noble than me ?
You have to work through it and see the light for yourself through perseverance. And Im just not ready to scarifies the simplicity of my life in order to achieve it.

Now answer for your question. Why decent ?
Because Im hardwired to take joy of helping others , in every possible way. You may ask why again
Well the word "hardwired" explains it. That means you dont rationalize or reason.

Decency is widely accepted idea through the society being decent helps you to cope with it. And I enjoy being decent in some ways. Thats it I dont care for father explanations
Just like catholic people does not seeking for further explanations as I mentions initially

If you ask why again that means you need some medical care rather than attain nibbana.

Your discourse is quite effective rhetorically. You started by admiring my point as a 'good point' and ended up by suggesting me to get some medical care. However, I don't tend to distract by rhetorical devices.

Anyways, I think the first part of your discourse, that is the paragraphs you spoke about simplicity and your emphasises on the day to day life, has nothing to do with my reply under #243 post. I actually admired your attitude of simplicity in my reply #236.

Yes. Decency, morality, and goodness are highly appreciated in the society. Therefore, you can earn some rewards if you are a decent and good person. On the other hand, if you are not decent, you may receive some sort of social rebuttal. So, is that the reason you are being decent? If so, it means that you are being decent because you get desirable consequences when you are decent.

 

[AncientGlory]

But take one catholic and Buddhist in day to day life. Can you see any remarkable difference of their actions, Behavior ? (Of coz its ok to kill animals for meat in some religions but Buddhism, then take Hindu and Buddhist and apply the theory)

I may not have followed the discussion, but one's action in day to day life may and may not depend on their religious believes. Morality is built in to humans no matter what their religion is. Since a majority understands it and accepts it, the system of law is introduced and it has nothing to do with religion. (Expect where there is religious laws, that is a different).

Knowing all that complex theories like Nirvana, reincarnation and Karma does it make you noble than me ?

Why is it relevant? There's no one who fully understands theories like these(Many people pretend to do so). Didn't Buddha say the science of Karma is infinite, only a Buddha may understand fully? Buddha's way of life(Noble Eightfold path) is simple and isn't it similar to a simple life where you try to do good and avoid bad?

 

[ela_eluwa120]

Buddha's way of life(Noble Eightfold path) is simple and isn't it similar to a simple life where you try to do good and avoid bad?

I don't think so. Buddhist Noble Eightfold Path consists of activities like meditation, and the way of life Zeus was talking about need not to have meditation.

 

[Zeus]

Your discourse is quite effective rhetorically. You started by admiring my point as a 'good point' and ended up by suggesting me to get some medical care. However, I don't tend to distract by rhetorical devices.

Anyways, I think the first part of your discourse, that is the paragraphs you spoke about simplicity and your emphasises on the day to day life, has nothing to do with my reply under #243 post. I actually admired your attitude of simplicity in my reply #236.

Yes. Decency, morality, and goodness are highly appreciated in the society. Therefore, you can earn some rewards if you are a decent and good person. On the other hand, if you are not decent, you may receive some sort of social rebuttal. So, is that the reason you are being decent? If so, it means that you are being decent because you get desirable consequences when you are decent.

No matter how smart your theory is it becomes naive if you try to extend it insanely. Thats when you need medical care. Even Pythagoras needed one lately

I havent thought of a reason of doing good deeds bro as I stated above again and again. may be it bocause majority accept it or may be not

I may not have followed the discussion, but one's action in day to day life may and may not depend on their religious believes. Morality is built in to humans no matter what their religion is. Since a majority understands it and accepts it, the system of law is introduced and it has nothing to do with religion. (Expect where there is religious laws, that is a different).


Why is it relevant? There's no one who fully understands theories like these(Many people pretend to do so). Didn't Buddha say the science of Karma is infinite, only a Buddha may understand fully? Buddha's way of life(Noble Eightfold path) is simple and isn't it similar to a simple life where you try to do good and avoid bad?

‍Your first part is what exactly Im trying to say here. Humans are hard-wired with their attributes. Good people found religions. Chances that religions turned man into good is less.

But dude being good is very tiny set of Buddha's teaching. He guide us on far loft cause. A difficult one but they say its worth to achieve.

Im just one single individual whos willing to sacrifice that path so I can have simple life I personally adore

I don't think so. Buddhist Noble Eightfold Path consists of activities like meditation, and the way of life Zeus was talking about need not to have meditation.

 

[AncientGlory]

I don't think so. Buddhist Noble Eightfold Path consists of activities like meditation, and the way of life Zeus was talking about need not to have meditation.

Can you show me where it consists activities like meditation? I've never seen the word meditation regarding Eightfold Noble Path. I may be wrong. In my opinion Noble Eightfold path is there for one to make as complex as one needs or make it simple. The whole point is that whether you follow it simply or complexly if you are following it you are doing good.

In my opinion Noble Eightfold Path is very general. The depth that one may need/wish to follow it, is individual. If you are doing good, and your actions does not harm anyone you are automatically following it, but your journey to the destination may be slower than someone who is following it in a more extreme manner.

 

[AncientGlory]

But dude being good is very tiny set of Buddha's teaching. He guide us on far loft cause. A difficult one but they say its worth to achieve.

The path is the path, that is what you need to follow. All other things become irrelevant there. You need to understand that all Buddha's teachings were intended to help you understand the truth better and faster. If you cannot understand see logic in something, such as Karma then simply discard it as irrelevant. Do you see any logic in Noble Eightfold Path? Do you think you will benefit from following it? then follow it. Other things does not matter.

Say you have no interest in following it. Are you doing good, and helping others best you can and doing no one harm intentionally? You are automatically following the path, maybe in a very simple way. But the path is the path. This is why Buddhism is universal and there are no groups in it.

 

[Y2K]

The path is the path, that is what you need to follow. All other things become irrelevant there. You need to understand that all Buddha's teachings were intended to help you understand the truth better and faster. If you cannot understand see logic in something, such as Karma then simply discard it as irrelevant. Do you see any logic in Noble Eightfold Path? Do you think you will benefit from following it? then follow it. Other things does not matter.

Say you have no interest in following it. Are you doing good, and helping others best you can and doing no one harm intentionally? You are automatically following the path, maybe in a very simple way. But the path is the path. This is why Buddhism is universal and there are no groups in it.

how do you know for sure that your path will leadyou to the Nirvana? how do you know for sure? why only this path? how do you know your path is the only way? you just b'live in his words right?

why you are doing good? benifits for others or to attain nirvana? if life is meaningless then why u needs merits? if there is no self then why u bother so much ?

if there is no self who the hell attain "nirvana"?

 

[Zeus]

The path is the path, that is what you need to follow. All other things become irrelevant there. You need to understand that all Buddha's teachings were intended to help you understand the truth better and faster. If you cannot understand see logic in something, such as Karma then simply discard it as irrelevant. Do you see any logic in Noble Eightfold Path? Do you think you will benefit from following it? then follow it. Other things does not matter.

Say you have no interest in following it. Are you doing good, and helping others best you can and doing no one harm intentionally? You are automatically following the path, maybe in a very simple way. But the path is the path. This is why Buddhism is universal and there are no groups in it.

Preventing yourselves from bad and live harmlessly chime can be find is almost all religions (Except in one of coz)

In my personal opinion is if someone ever manage to see the world as it is, he has find Nirvanaya himself as well.

More and more you see the world, you get to see how futile its to attached to it. Just like grasshopper attract to the flame

That grasshopper may lived it life with joy and harmlessly but ultimately it has to face its inevitable end as long as it didnt find it way out. In our case Nirvanaya

Im a grasshopper. And being me does not make me walk in Eightfold Path

 

[ela_eluwa120]

No matter how smart your theory is it becomes naive if you try to extend it insanely. Thats when you need medical care. Even Pythagoras needed one lately

I havent thought of a reason of doing good deeds bro as I stated above again and again. may be it bocause majority accept it or may be not

What does Pythagoras has to do with our discussion. Don't throw out ad hominems. A good natured discussion does not survive when the atmosphere is populated with ad hominems.

Thats natural. Many people take many things for granted without thinking. But, does it entails that you should not think and keep taking beliefs for granted?

 

[ela_eluwa120]

how do you know for sure that your path will leadyou to the Nirvana? how do you know for sure? why only this path? how do you know your path is the only way? you just b'live in his words right?

why you are doing good? benifits for others or to attain nirvana? if life is meaningless then why u needs merits? if there is no self then why u bother so much ?

if there is no self who the hell attain "nirvana"?

hmmmmm

 

[Zeus]

What does Pythagoras has to do with our discussion. Don't throw out ad hominems. A good natured discussion does not survive when the atmosphere is populated with ad hominems.

Thats natural. Many people take many things for granted without thinking. But, does it entails that you should not think and keep taking beliefs for granted?

Its an example. Ok let me walk you through from the beginning.

I told your point is good but if you keep asking the same it may become naive

So In order to prove my point the example I took is Pythagoras. He was good mathematician but he kept on going his path for too long and ended up being a lunatic

Got the message ?

 

[Nu1Dnk]

http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1356814

මේක ජපානයේ සිදුවුණ සත්‍ය සිදුවිමක්ලු

සාමාන්‍යයෙන් ජපානයේ නිවාස වල ලි බිත්ති 2 අතර හිඩැසක් තියෙනවා.

නිවසක් අලුත්වැඩියා කරන්න කවුරුන්හෝ බිත්තියක් කඩපු අවස්ථාවක මේ හිදසේ කටුස්සෙක් හිරවී ඉදල තියෙනවා.

උගේ කකුලක් පිටතින් ගහපු ඇනයකට සිරවී තිබුනා.

ඔහු මෙය දුටුවාම දුකට සහ කුතුහලයට පත උනා.

මේ නිවාස අවුරුදු කට කලින් නිමවූ එකක් නිසා සතා එතෙක් කලක් ජිවත් උනේ කොහොමද කියලා ඔහු මවිත උනා.

කළුවර බිත්තියක් තුල අවුරුදු 10ක්! එක පියවරක් හෙල්ලෙන්නේ නැතිව..සිදුවිය නොහැක්කක්..!!

ඔහු තමාගේ කාර්යය නවතා සතා නිරීක්ෂණය කරන්න පටන් ගත්තා.

පසුව ඔහු දුටුවා තවත් කටුස්සෙකු කෑම රැගෙන විත් හිරවී සිටින සතාට දෙන අයුරු..

ඔහු මේ සිද්ධියෙන් දුකෙන් ගල් ගැසී ගියා.

ඇනයේ සිරවී සිටි සතාට තවත් සතෙකු අවුරුදු 10ක් රැකගත් අයුරු..

සිතන්න, අවුරුදු 10ක් නොසිදෙන ෛධර්යයෙන්, බලාපොරොත්තු සිදනොගමින් ඔහු තමාගේ සහකරු රැකගත් අයුරු..

ඔබට එසේ කරන්න හැකිදැයි සිතන්න.

"කරුණාකර ඔබගේ ආදරණියයන් තනිකර නොදමන්න. ඔවුන්ට ඔබව අවැසි විට ඔබ කාර්ය බහුල බව නොපවසන්න."



me thread eka beluwoth therum ganna puluwan wevi thirisanekuta unath kuaslayak karaganna berikamak neheya kiyana eka. thirisanunta thiyena budhdhi mattama anuwa pinak ho kusalayak karaganna thiyena awasthawa ithama viralai. namuth kawada ho pera karanalada kusalayaka balapemen me wage deyak wath karaganna ithama sulu kotasakata hari shakthiya thiyenawa... itin hithanna me wage ithama sulu pirisak thmai sathwa lokenuth kusalayak karaganna wasanawa labanne. Mechcara hithanna puluwan minissu welath ai apita kusal karanna pasubata wenne. siyaluma abauddha ayata mama kiyanne, baudda kiyanne pansal yana ekatawath pansil gatha kiyawana ekatawath nemei.. mama unath dannawa 100%k thiya 1%kwath dharmaye hesirenne nethi bawa. namuth ape hitha waradak karanakota dannawa me mama karanne weradi deyak kiyala, anisa ehema deyak nokara inna hitha palanaya karaganna welawal wagema adumagane uthsaha karana welawaluth thiyenawa... Baudhdha darmaye hesirenna asimitha dhiryak ha veeryayak one... me puhudun apita oka karaganna beri ekai prashne...

 

[Captain Arjun!!!!!]

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මේක ජපානයේ සිදුවුණ සත්‍ය සිදුවිමක්ලු

සාමාන්‍යයෙන් ජපානයේ නිවාස වල ලි බිත්ති 2 අතර හිඩැසක් තියෙනවා.

නිවසක් අලුත්වැඩියා කරන්න කවුරුන්හෝ බිත්තියක් කඩපු අවස්ථාවක මේ හිදසේ කටුස්සෙක් හිරවී ඉදල තියෙනවා.

උගේ කකුලක් පිටතින් ගහපු ඇනයකට සිරවී තිබුනා.

ඔහු මෙය දුටුවාම දුකට සහ කුතුහලයට පත උනා.

මේ නිවාස අවුරුදු කට කලින් නිමවූ එකක් නිසා සතා එතෙක් කලක් ජිවත් උනේ කොහොමද කියලා ඔහු මවිත උනා.

කළුවර බිත්තියක් තුල අවුරුදු 10ක්! එක පියවරක් හෙල්ලෙන්නේ නැතිව..සිදුවිය නොහැක්කක්..!!

ඔහු තමාගේ කාර්යය නවතා සතා නිරීක්ෂණය කරන්න පටන් ගත්තා.

පසුව ඔහු දුටුවා තවත් කටුස්සෙකු කෑම රැගෙන විත් හිරවී සිටින සතාට දෙන අයුරු..

ඔහු මේ සිද්ධියෙන් දුකෙන් ගල් ගැසී ගියා.

ඇනයේ සිරවී සිටි සතාට තවත් සතෙකු අවුරුදු 10ක් රැකගත් අයුරු..

සිතන්න, අවුරුදු 10ක් නොසිදෙන ෛධර්යයෙන්, බලාපොරොත්තු සිදනොගමින් ඔහු තමාගේ සහකරු රැකගත් අයුරු..

ඔබට එසේ කරන්න හැකිදැයි සිතන්න.

"කරුණාකර ඔබගේ ආදරණියයන් තනිකර නොදමන්න. ඔවුන්ට ඔබව අවැසි විට ඔබ කාර්ය බහුල බව නොපවසන්න."



me thread eka beluwoth therum ganna puluwan wevi thirisanekuta unath kuaslayak karaganna berikamak neheya kiyana eka. thirisanunta thiyena budhdhi mattama anuwa pinak ho kusalayak karaganna thiyena awasthawa ithama viralai. namuth kawada ho pera karanalada kusalayaka balapemen me wage deyak wath karaganna ithama sulu kotasakata hari shakthiya thiyenawa... itin hithanna me wage ithama sulu pirisak thmai sathwa lokenuth kusalayak karaganna wasanawa labanne. Mechcara hithanna puluwan minissu welath ai apita kusal karanna pasubata wenne. siyaluma abauddha ayata mama kiyanne, baudda kiyanne pansal yana ekatawath pansil gatha kiyawana ekatawath nemei.. mama unath dannawa 100%k thiya 1%kwath dharmaye hesirenne nethi bawa. namuth ape hitha waradak karanakota dannawa me mama karanne weradi deyak kiyala, anisa ehema deyak nokara inna hitha palanaya karaganna welawal wagema adumagane uthsaha karana welawaluth thiyenawa... Baudhdha darmaye hesirenna asimitha dhiryak ha veeryayak one... me puhudun apita oka karaganna beri ekai prashne...

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මේ දේ සතෙක් කලාට දැන් පවතින ලෝකේ මනුසු ජාතිය නොකරයි

 

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මේ දේ සතෙක් කලාට දැන් පවතින ලෝකේ මනුසු ජාතිය නොකරයි

Very true!!