Problem in buddhism

yashan

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    ~In Your Heart~
    I'm no buddist, I'm catholic..
    but as i have heard.
    if a soul birth in to a animal body, then it is almost impossible/ extremely harder to get back a human life.

    yes, samaharawita eka amaru athi. Mokada budu hamuduruwo deshana karala thiyenne Minisath bava labaganna amarui kiyala. Mona religion ekaka unath api me labuna athmaya paven walakila yahapathwa gathakaranna owne..
     

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    Zeus said:
    Xcept human
    Anek saththu pin karanne kohomada
    ???????????:eek:

    Ex- Pimbura, kotiya, ants

    Many of dem doing only eating n killing
    And kiling (looks like) isnt a sin 4 dem:frown:

    but dey will becom human one day

    Howwwwwwwwwwwwww ???????????????
    :baffled::baffled::baffled::baffled::baffled:

    mama umbata isselama kiyanawa hariyata Buddhism gana nodana me wage moda threads post karanna epa kiyala:angry:

    sathunta pin karanna bari bawa atha. eth minissunta pin karanna puluwan, issella hitala balapan kawadawath buddhagamata anuwa pin athi kenek kawadawath thirisan sathek wenne ne. manussa athmayak, buddhism walata anuwa minis bhawayak labanne eelanga aathmedith minihek wenna mokada Budu kenek me loke pahala wena thuru me kalpedi katawath nirvanaya awabodha karaganna bari nisa. sathu nowenna buddhimath minissu wagabala ganna one. e wagema sathu wena aya kawada hari pawak karala thiyena aya. eyalage paw gewunu dawasaka eyalata aye minis bhawayak labanna puluwannam eyala minissu wenna puluwan. umba danne nathi unata Buduhamuduruwo Budhu wennna aathma kiyanna bari gananak ipadila thiyenawa. ewagema umbath ehemai. oyawage Buddhism gana awabodhayak nathuwa moda prashna ahala umbath karaganne paw puro ganna eka. umba mona agamaka unath Buddhism walata nigraha karanna hithagena me wage GON prashnayak ahuwanam umba mona agamaka hitiyath umbata paw paladenawa. eka me athmedi wennath puluwan labana aathmekadi wennath puluwan. dan unath, heta unath kawada hari!!!!!
    meeta passewath threads daanna kalin hithala balanna
     

    gtkisaru

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    Los Ratmalanos.
    yasaswan said:
    ''And kiling (looks like) isnt a sin 4 dem''
    saththunta minissunta wage buddhiyak thiyenawa da..NAE,. eeka hinda pin paw gana theerumak nae..... eeka hinda satek thawa sathek wa marana eka pawak nemei......meka paw kiayala mas kana saththu thanakola kannada??:dull:


    KUSAL DA AKUSAL DA THEERANAYA WENNE THAMANGE CHEETHANAAWA MATHA!
    saththu danne nae thaman karanne pawak da nadda kiyala.,eeth minissu dannawa..., eekai minisai sathai athara wenasa.., pin paw karanna puluwan minisekuta witharai ., deviyantawath yakkuntawath karanna bae..., eekai minis jeewithe thama watinaama kiyanne...


    sathek wela upadinne akusal nisa.., mehema hithanna eeka nikan punishment ekak wage ee akusleta deepu, eeka hinda ee paw geunama eelanga aathme minihek wela upadinna puluwan...,karala thiyena akusal wadi nam eeta passe aathmeth sathek welaama upadii.... kohoma unath ee akusal geunaama aaye minisek wela upadinawa....

    Chethanahan Bikkawe Kamman Wadami :)
     

    sri_lion

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    Zeus said:
    Thnak macho i dont care who insult me
    If he can give me some knoweledge about damma i will second to him and absorb it

    Answers are already in EK, and the way to it already given to you.. all you have to do is read it and try to understand.. because if you genuinely want an answer you would do it.. wouldn't you?

    its just like Buddhism it self... Buddhism is a way of life the path is already there for you to follow you wanna go in the path or not its up to you, no one is forcing you!!!
     

    sri_lion

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    Billl Gates said:
    macho if you can remove your sigis. because unable to log dial up members. (this is humbly request)

    Actually we are waiting for the Admin to return, I think ADMIN is busy... This guy wont listen to us.. but he will listen to Admin!! :lol:
     

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    hey guyz he doesnt seem to be really interested in finding a solution for his so called big problem:P
    and even i dont think he would even be able to understand the logic behind buddhist teachings.
    All you deserve is sympathy:dull: :dull:
     
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    kalyanamithra

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    Zeus said:
    Xcept human
    Anek saththu pin karanne kohomada
    ???????????:eek:

    Ex- Pimbura, kotiya, ants

    Many of dem doing only eating n killing
    And kiling (looks like) isnt a sin 4 dem:frown:

    but dey will becom human one day

    Howwwwwwwwwwwwww ???????????????
    :baffled::baffled::baffled::baffled::baffled:
    Pinwath mithura,

    This explanation is based on Dhamma; Nevertheless you are advised to refer to the Texts in doubt (I might be able to cite some of the facts from the suttas if you want; not sure I'd have time for that).

    Buddhism reveals a samsaraic existence; in which any being is likely to be born in most of the worlds (not all, but it's not time to discuss that...).

    Any being gets born because of Past Kamma (that it has from our virtually infinite existence). Once born the being (humans, animals, divine, etc.) engages in volitional (chethanathmaka) activities - which are actuated through body, wording, or thoughts. They are called Present Kamma (and they add to Past Kamma as time passes by). Depedning in the environment the being is in other past Kamma can become effective and produce returns (vipaka). But not all thing that a being undergoes is Past Kamma. For example if someone stabs me to death; it may not be my past Kamma; but it surely becomes that person's Present Kamma. Let's get back to your question..

    Anything a being does that causes Lobha (various desires, etc.) Dveesha (hatred, etc.) and Moha (delusion, etc.) is a bad deed and becomes a sin ("Pava"). Yes a tiger killing an animal would add to its sins (I will explain it further in a little while).

    Anything a being does that causes the opposite effects: Alobha, Adhosha, Amoha are good deeds and becomes a "Pin" (I'm not using the word 'merit' here purposely...). A tiger licking its cubs (because it's likely to have Metta at the moment) would get Pin.

    Anmilas are in one of the worlds of ("Apaya") and therefore the opportunity an animal has to do "pin" is very low (It's a risk any being in an Apaya has; the opportunity is even low in places like Niraya - "Hell"). Only those in Human world and above can do considerable "pin"; nevertheless any being has thing it had done in past live stack up to comeforth to give returns...

    This has resulted in an inbalanced dynamic equilibrium of beings with most of them being (at a given time) in Niraya; next in other worlds of Suffering (e.g. Pretha loka); next as animals; relatively few as Humans; and very little in the worlds of divine. We can see only the worlds of animals and humans. You can understand the Truth by trying to count animals visible to our naked eye (e.g. ants, birds, mosquitoes, etc) in your backyard; and divide by number of family members in your house...

    This is explained in Dhamma: only a portion equivalent to "amount of soil that can be held in one of your nail in one of your fingers" those currently in human world gets born as humans the next life; where as a portion equivalent to "amount of soil in this whole earth" gets born in worlds of suffereing... Dhamma also states how crowded the Avichi hell is... Not stopping at that Dhamma also explains how this equilibrium changes a bit good towards the devine end when a Dhamma of Sammasambuddha is being practiced properly...

    Another thing: none of the worlds have infinite lifetime. That's why Buddhists do not believe in eternal life at heavern or hell. Because whatever thing that makes the lifeform have finite duration. According to Dhamma an upperbound of life is determined by Kamma (e.g. there is a limit of extending human life through artificial means - e.g. difficult to live 100000 years even if we want to; even if we have very good technology). So lifetime in hell is finite; being dies after some time. But the probability a being in a world of suffering to be born as a human is low (because most of immediate Kamma it may have done are sins).

    Neverhteless all beings have both Pin and Pav in Past Kamma. So they have a chance to exit from Apaya even if it remain thousands of years getting reborn in them.

    That's why those developing ability to recall Past lives through Jhana easily get a feeling of Samsaraic existence. Why? Because we too have been in all but a handful of worlds. These exceptional worlds are attainable only by those who have completely eliminated Kama defilement in the mind; they do not get born as humans again (called: Anagami). So none of us have been there before.

    Buddhism does not stop at explaining this unfair balance in the samsaraic existence. It shows how our mind grows with all input we get from the senses; as Current Kamma. It shows the reason for this. It shows how this reason can be suppressed; how the reason can be eliminated. It causes how this seemingly unending chain of life and death can be stopped for good.

    Let's examine Dhamma in depth; there is nothing to belive blindly. We can expereince Dhamma in this very life time; dependeing on the vigour at which we practice it..

    Theruwan saranai!

    Reason for not using word "merit" for "pin": Buddhism explains Kamma very deeply. Not at surface level like many other religions. There are two categories of good deeds called: "pin" and "kusal". Hence using "merit" might cause ambiguity.
     
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    kalyanamithra

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    Pinwath mithura,

    This explanation is based on Dhamma; Nevertheless you are advised to refer to the Texts in doubt (I might be able to cite some of the facts from the suttas if you want; not sure I'd have time for that).

    Buddhism reveals a samsaraic existence; in which any being is likely to be born in most of the worlds (not all, but it's not time to discuss that...).

    Any being gets born because of Past Kamma (that it has from our virtually infinite existence). Once born the being (humans, animals, divine, etc.) engages in volitional (chethanathmaka) activities - which are actuated through body, wording, or thoughts. They are called Present Kamma (and they add to Past Kamma as time passes by). Depedning in the environment the being is in other past Kamma can become effective and produce returns (vipaka). But not all thing that a being undergoes is Past Kamma. For example if someone stabs me to death; it may not be my past Kamma; but it surely becomes that person's Present Kamma. Let's get back to your question..

    Anything a being does that causes Lobha (various desires, etc.) Dveesha (hatred, etc.) and Moha (delusion, etc.) is a bad deed and becomes a sin ("Pava"). Yes a tiger killing an animal would add to its sins (I will explain it further in a little while).

    Anything a being does that causes the opposite effects: Alobha, Adhosha, Amoha are good deeds and becomes a "Pin" (I'm not using the word 'merit' here purposely...). A tiger licking its cubs (because it's likely to have Metta at the moment) would get Pin.

    Anmilas are in one of the worlds of ("Apaya") and therefore the opportunity an animal has to do "pin" is very low (It's a risk any being in an Apaya has; the opportunity is even low in places like Niraya - "Hell"). Only those in Human world and above can do considerable "pin"; nevertheless any being has thing it had done in past live stack up to comeforth to give returns...

    This has resulted in an inbalanced dynamic equilibrium of beings with most of them being (at a given time) in Niraya; next in other worlds of Suffering (e.g. Pretha loka); next as animals; relatively few as Humans; and very little in the worlds of divine. We can see only the worlds of animals and humans. You can understand the Truth by trying to count animals visible to our naked eye (e.g. ants, birds, mosquitoes, etc) in your backyard; and divide by number of family members in your house...

    This is explained in Dhamma: only a portion equivalent to "amount of soil that can be held in one of your nail in one of your fingers" those currently in human world gets born as humans the next life; where as a portion equivalent to "amount of soil in this whole earth" gets born in worlds of suffereing... Dhamma also states how crowded the Avichi hell is... Not stopping at that Dhamma also explains how this equilibrium changes a bit good towards the devine end when a Dhamma of Sammasambuddha is being practiced properly...

    Another thing: none of the worlds have infinite lifetime. That's why Buddhists do not believe in eternal life at heavern or hell. Because whatever thing that makes the lifeform have finite duration. According to Dhamma an upperbound of life is determined by Kamma (e.g. there is a limit of extending human life through artificial means - e.g. difficult to live 100000 years even if we want to; even if we have very good technology). So lifetime in hell is finite; being dies after some time. But the probability a being in a world of suffering to be born as a human is low (because most of immediate Kamma it may have done are sins).

    Neverhteless all beings have both Pin and Pav in Past Kamma. So they have a chance to exit from Apaya even if it remain thousands of years getting reborn in them.

    That's why those developing ability to recall Past lives through Jhana easily get a feeling of Samsaraic existence. Why? Because we too have been in all but a handful of worlds. These exceptional worlds are attainable only by those who have completely eliminated Kama defilement in the mind; they do not get born as humans again (called: Anagami). So none of us have been there before.

    Buddhism does not stop at explaining this unfair balance in the samsaraic existence. It shows how our mind grows with all input we get from the senses; as Current Kamma. It shows the reason for this. It shows how this reason can be suppressed; how the reason can be eliminated. It causes how this seemingly unending chain of life and death can be stopped for good.

    Let's examine Dhamma in depth; there is nothing to belive blindly. We can expereince Dhamma in this very life time; dependeing on the vigour at which we practice it..

    Theruwan saranai!

    Reason for not using word "merit" for "pin": Buddhism explains Kamma very deeply. Not at surface level like many other religions. There are two categories of good deeds called: "pin" and "kusal". Hence using "merit" might cause ambiguity.
    Pinwath Mithurani,

    It's sad to see not many of us are in a position to help our friend Zeus find the correct (I mean as explained by Dhamma) answer to his problem..
    There indeed is a "problem" in the way Buddhism has been practiced in past couple of century...

    Does not this highlight the fact that we need to learn a bit more about Dhamma? Please give it a thought... Thanks... With Metta..

    Theruwan saranai!
     
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    kalyanamithra

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    Mata hari sathutui ape mithuran tharahen katha karana bavak mata note vune ne... Venada vage nove... :)

    Api kisi kenek path karanna honda ne... Thawa duratath ehema ma imu..

    Mokada Dharmayata viruddha matha val thadata hitiya aya eka venas karala mahana vela Rahath vuna avastha pava thiyenava ne...
    Honda udaharanayk thamai Magandhiya Sutraya... E ha sabendi deshanayak methanin ahanna puluvan...
    http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/Mp3/Magandiya_Sutta%20.mp3

    Thawa hethuvak thiyenava... api Dharmaya dhannava kiya hithana ayata vada kalin anek aya avabodha karanna puluvan.. .Mokda Dharmaya praguna kirimata vedagath ma abyanthara angaya Nuvanin Vimasa Belima (Yoniso Manasikaraya) ne... Vedagathma bahira angaya Kalyana mithraya... Apita bahira angaya denatama lebenavane Budurajanan vahanse ge Dharmaya thulin... Ithin kenek hemadama Dharmayata virudhdhava hindi kiyala hithanna honda ne ne...

    Thawath hethuwak thiyenawa... Api kenek gena vivechanaya karanna one ohu Dharmaya vetha ena akarayatai.. Mokada ape vivechana nisa e kenage hithe tharaha ethi vi (ei Dharmaya thula inne nethi aya tharahin midena heti danne ne ne...) Dharmayen eth venna puluvann ne... Etha kota eke veredda ape ne...

    Api dharmaya ma katha karagena yamu...
    "Zeus" mithura meka nuvanin vimasa thawa prashana ahai kiyala balagena imu...
    Nethhtam karanna deyak ne.. "Lanak buruwa" kivvva vagema therum ganna eka eyage vedak ne... Upekshawak purudu karagenimath Dharma margaye yana aya kala yuthui... Lokayama kavada vath Dharmayata enne ne ne...

    Theruwan saranai!
     
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    Clerk_Kent

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    Zeus said:
    We??? how dare u use v u dosnt represent all of them
    If you cant help me plz methana gon part noda palayan
    Mokak vunath ekanam pinak kyala man dannava so gon mahaththayo onna umbatath pinak karaganna chance ekak laba athmeth human kenek barinam unahapuluvek hari vela ipadiyan :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
    :D man hithanne hungak honda uththara labila thiyanawa wage ...
    Thamath ithin ehema neththam oba thuma ithin gon harakek wenna one....
    mokada ..modayo ekka kathaa karala dinanna be ne....:)
    Bye ...
    No more time wasting on u my friend...& plz be friendly with other members ...:)


    Anika nikan mata unahapuluwa kiyala bennata me prashneta uththara ne ne...
    Clerk_Kent said:
    & yet every religion have some paradoxing places...
    I think u know of them...

    Complete , clean , no conflicting ideas thiyana religion ekak thiyanawa nam pennala denna Zeus maththaya balanna:)

    ekenma penawa oya methana hadanne anek ayata insult karanna witharai kiyala...:rolleyes:
    so we're off..
    Bye..
    TC
     
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    kalyanamithra

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    Dear friend Zeus,

    I have read your posts (in this thread) several times to assess if continuing this discussion would be fruitful...

    You seem to have a characteristic any good Buddhist has (although your knowledge of Buddhism is likely to be not correct...): It is the nature of inquiring into things... Because of that: if you are willing to post honestly (i.e. not hypocritical) we may continue the discussion...

    There might be a considerable time lag; hope you'd appreciate the fact that we (I am referring to all our friends who post on Buddhism) like perhaps you as well, post in this forum amidst 100s of other things in life...

    Even when it comes to religion our priority is in practicing Dhamma; not on discussing it. Thanks

    Theruwan saranai!
    (please do not be offended; this is a Buddhist blessing I use in almost all of my posts)
     
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    kalyanamithra

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    amiya said:
    Thy eat meat bcs thy hav to eat

    They are carnivorous if they need to survive they must hav food to eat

    but we omnivorous so we can chose wat 2 eat
    Yes; :yes:
    Beings in very few worlds have a choice like this...
    Only beings including and above humans can completely stop the mechanism underlying our existence... (that mechanism is called "Paticca Samuppada" - dependent origination)...
    See the ability we have in us (because we are humans, with ability to think intact, with time to think amidst all other things, with Dhamma available to think according to...)

    Theruwan saranai!