SPEECH OF AN IDOL GUIDING THE MISGUIDED

[gazaly]

Not insulting sunshine, just applying the same principles around. If it looks like it, then is must be it right?
'Aha! Idolater!!!', Isn't that what you people automatically assume when you see a Buddhist for example, praying in front of a Buddha statue?

inju inju...

 

[nadeeshaF]

inju inju...

eh?

 

[sirajstc]

inju inju...

 

[Hot-Witch-Girl]

I don't know much about Islam, but I would like to give my 2 cents + vat

Rejection of idol worship first came to belief systems from Moses. Moses was a Jew who introduced Ten Commandments. Before Moses Jews also worshipped Idols. When Moses descended from Mount Senai with plaques of Ten Commandments; Jews (on their way to the Promised Land) were casting Idols of a Cow out of Gold and Copper. Moss was so angry!

Wars are unfortunate political events of history. Religion has a little to do with Holy Wars. Holy Wars are just wars to conquer land sugar coated with religion to mak it easier to recruit people and to justify the killing. When people feel justified they can fight well.

For me the God and Goddess are like Parents and Parents are like God and Goddess.

So... What do you think about what I have written. I dould like to add more...

Idol Worship is a form of Sexual Fetishism and it is the root of many ancient Religions.

(Fetishism = the attribution of religious or mystical qualities to inanimate objects)

In Greece, the worship of the God Adonis is associated with the Phallic Symbol or Male Genitalia.

In India it was Shiva Linga, the Phallic symbol of Hindu God Shiva.

In Rome Phallic Jewelery was worn as a talisman to ward of evil eye.

In Japan Phallus Adoration is a part of Shinto Religion


This is History of Religions.


The Abrahmic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) are rather new, and they frown upon Sacred Sex. So they oppose anything that stems from Sexual Fetishism.

Many Ancient Religions like Greek, Roman old religion, Hinduism and Shinto (also Wicca) has something to do with the Sacredness of Sexuality.

Maypole Dance

 

[gazaly]

eh?

theyruney nadda oyatamokadda kiyala inju inju kiwe kiyalaa..?

 

[Hot-Witch-Girl]

Behold!
Here is the square root of Idol Worshipping!

Guyes I guess you know this; Girls... you have to know these things...

Penus - Male Genitalia - Phallic Symbol

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P.S: That is not me who is looking at the thingy in the bottle.​

 

[Hot-Witch-Girl]

inju inju...

සේ... සේ... පූස්... පූස්...!

 

[casper_fms]

Jazakallah for all valuable info...

 

[x-pert]

Christ and Mohammed both preached the same core religion, but those are the two religions where they have unrest against each other!

Well not really the same. Only the old testament of Christianity comprises Islam.

Old testament in Christianity and Islam are on the lines of "an eye to eye", "tooth to tooth" sort of a thing.

But the new testament of Christianity talks about Forgiving. Which lacks in Islam.

Jesus and Mohammed Nabi are on parallel (Muslims consider both of them as Prophets I guess)

Again Almighty God and Allah on parallel (Muslims believe Allah is the greatest and Christians believe Almighty god is the greatest It's their belief and no body should have a problem with that )

 

[Kalegana]

Well not really the same. Only the old testament of Christianity comprises Islam.

Old testament in Christianity and Islam are on the lines of "an eye to eye", "tooth to tooth" sort of a thing.

But the new testament of Christianity talks about Forgiving. Which lacks in Islam.

Jesus and Mohammed Nabi are on parallel (Muslims consider both of them as Prophets I guess)

Again Almighty God and Allah on parallel (Muslims believe Allah is the greatest and Christians believe Almighty god is the greatest It's their belief and no body should have a problem with that )

Hey X.... kohomada machan!!!kalekata passe!!! mawa matakada???

 

[Wal Bada]

Idol Worship is a form of Sexual Fetishism and it is the root of many ancient Religions.

(Fetishism = the attribution of religious or mystical qualities to inanimate objects)

Wrong. First pre-historic religions worshipped son, moon and earth. Nothing fetish about those astronomical objects

In Greece, the worship of the God Adonis is associated with the Phallic Symbol or Male Genitalia.

Once again wrong. If that was the case the genitalia should have been made huge in size, which is not the case. Modern humas have larger genitalia than that.

In India it was Shiva Linga, the Phallic symbol of Hindu God Shiva

I can't comment on this one. Let one of our hindu friens elaborate on that.

Idolism which is described in abrahmic religions differ from that in eastern religions. Even mother and father are regarded as idols. Now I am finding the fetishness about parents in relation to the child (Don't quote Sigmaund Freud, his theories have been thrown in the dustbin about three decades back, by psychiatrists)

 

[x-pert]

Hey X.... kohomada machan!!!kalekata passe!!! mawa matakada???

Ade ubawa amathaka wenawada machang ehema...

Meke chat kaloth lokka case adinawa macho. wenin ekaka set wemu thawa tikakin. mama wash ekak daagena ennam

 

[Kalegana]

Ade ubawa amathaka wenawada machang ehema...

Meke chat kaloth lokka case adinawa macho. wenin ekaka set wemu thawa tikakin. mama wash ekak daagena ennam

ok mata PM parak dapan tawa 30 min walin set wemu!

 

[Hot-Witch-Girl]

Wrong. First pre-historic religions worshipped son, moon and earth. Nothing fetish about those astronomical objects

You Are Wrong dear! Look at the Definition
Definition Fetishism: the attribution of religious or mystical qualities to inanimate objects.
Your idea of Fetishism is so vulger. Sun and Moon were symbological to Male God and Female Goddess in the old religion. So Sun and Moon are "Inanimate Objects" with Mystical Qualities attributed. My point still exists, and you cannot disprove it...

Once again wrong. If that was the case the genitalia should have been made huge in size, which is not the case. Modern humas have larger genitalia than that.

That is a more natural looking statue of Adonis. The Genitalia figure (which is not a statue) is used in the Adonis festival, and taken is Procession through the cities.

So what is about Shinto Religion. Their Male Genitalia symbol is so very huge...

Look at the Venus of Willendorf!

It is a perfect example...
In this you can clearly see feminine organs, Breasts and Womb prominent. Womb is symbological to Fertility and Prosperity!

Among Gypsies a stone with a hole in it is considered sacred and luckey because it symbolizes Female Genitalia!

I can give so many examples on this. I'm an expert in this field of "History of Old Religions" (you say Pre-Historic Religions).

Idolism which is described in abrahmic religions differ from that in eastern religions. Even mother and father are regarded as idols. Now I am finding the fetishness about parents in relation to the child (Don't quote Sigmaund Freud, his theories have been thrown in the dustbin about three decades back, by psychiatrists)

Oh, my my... Your knowledge on Psychology is so narrow! Are you really a Medical Doctor? Your school of psychology is the eastern (Indian) version who has put away Freud's theories, just because it clashes with their culture. But the Western(American) school of teaching psychology still consider's Freud's theories. Freud was neglected when he was alive, but his theories are accepted after he is dead. You are still in the history...

 

[Juziers]

But the new testament of Christianity talks about Forgiving. Which lacks in Islam.

Quran 4:48 Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.

Quran 2:109 Out of their selfish envy, many among the followers of earlier revelation would like to bring you back to denying the truth after you have attained to faith - [even] after the truth has become clear unto them. None the less, forgive and forbear, until God shall make manifest His will: behold, God has the power to will anything.

Quran 2:285 THE APOSTLE(Muhammad pbh), and the believers with him, believe in what has been bestowed upon him from on high by his Sustainer: they all believe in God, and His angels, and His revelations, and His apostles(messengers), making no distinction between any of His apostles(messengers);Asad(2,277)and they say: We have heard, and we pay heed. Grant us Thy forgiveness, O our Sustainer, for with Thee is all journeys' end!

You may clearly see that Allah is forgiving and has ordained muslims to forgive, and their's NO 'lacking' in Islam

 

[x-pert]

Quran 4:48 Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.

Quran 2:109 Out of their selfish envy, many among the followers of earlier revelation would like to bring you back to denying the truth after you have attained to faith - [even] after the truth has become clear unto them. None the less, forgive and forbear, until God shall make manifest His will: behold, God has the power to will anything.

Quran 2:285 THE APOSTLE(Muhammad pbh), and the believers with him, believe in what has been bestowed upon him from on high by his Sustainer: they all believe in God, and His angels, and His revelations, and His apostles(messengers), making no distinction between any of His apostles(messengers);Asad(2,277)and they say: We have heard, and we pay heed. Grant us Thy forgiveness, O our Sustainer, for with Thee is all journeys' end!

You may clearly see that Allah is forgiving and has ordained muslims to forgive, and their's NO 'lacking' in Islam

I wasn't talking about "Allah" forgiving.
I was talking about people forgiving people who did bad to them.

If Islam preaches to forgive human by human, then why there is a concept called a holy war? Why Palestine go into war with Israel and why Bin Laden asks Palestinians to go in to holy war against Israel?
Can't they simply forgive each other?

Furthermore, then what about the concept of an eye-to-eye, tooth-to-tooth in Quaran? Are you telling me that Quaran is wrong?

 

[sri_lion]

You may clearly see that Allah is forgiving and has ordained muslims to forgive, and their's NO 'lacking' in Islam

Did you miss out these? Now can we see some explanation about these *forgiving* verses from Q'ran?

Chapter 8, Verse 60:

Quote:
Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your disposal so that you can strike terror into the enemies of Allah and of the believers and others beside them who may be unknown to you, though Allah knows them. And remember whatever you spend for the cause of Allah shall be repaid to you. You shall not be wronged.

Chapter 8, Verse 65:

Quote:
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred steadfast they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence.

Chapter 8, Verse 66:

Quote:
Now hath Allah lightened your burden, for He knoweth that there is weakness in you. So if there be of you a steadfast hundred they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a thousand (steadfast) they shall overcome two thousand by permission of Allah. Allah is with the steadfast.

Chapter 8, Verse 15:

Quote:
O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them.

Chapter 4, Verse 76:

Quote:
Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! the devil's strategy is ever weak.

 

[Wal Bada]

You Are Wrong dear! Look at the Definition
Definition Fetishism: the attribution of religious or mystical qualities to inanimate objects.
Your idea of Fetishism is so vulger. Sun and Moon were symbological to Male God and Female Goddess in the old religion. So Sun and Moon are "Inanimate Objects" with Mystical Qualities attributed. My point still exists, and you cannot disprove it...

Here are definition of fetishism

A fetish (from the French fétiche; which comes from the Portuguese feitiço; and this in turn from Latin facticius, "artificial" and facere, "to make") is an object believed to have supernatural powers, or in particular, a man-made object that has power over others. Essentially, fetishism is the attribution of inherent value or powers to an object.
Source

Fetishism is the use of an inanimate object or a specific part of the body for physical or mental sexual stimulation. This sexual behavior is widespread and takes many forms, from benign (a preference for the partner's wearing of lingerie before sex) to vicious (a rapist cutting a lock of hair from the victim for use in masturbation). The disorder characteristics are:
Source

Fetishism is a fixation on an inanimate object or body part that is not primarily sexual in nature, and the compulsive need for its use in order to obtain sexual gratification
Source

Now that is the definition of fetishism. The definition you gave was 500 years old and no longer used or applied, other than in Wiccan literature. (which is generally regarded as a joke even in Western world)

So what is about Shinto Religion. Their Male Genitalia symbol is so very huge...

Phallic worship is a secluded part of shintoism. But I cannot give you many details ebcause my knowledge is poor on shintoism

Look at the Venus of Willendorf!

It is a perfect example...
In this you can clearly see feminine organs, Breasts and Womb prominent. Womb is symbological to Fertility and Prosperity!

I only see a statue of fat woma with large breasts and a bigger belly (I cannot see the womb, so LMAO). There are enough fat women with such proportions, so nothing much special there. The statue should then have a beautiful waist line and shape with huge breasts, which is out of porportion in normal population.

Oh, my my... Your knowledge on Psychology is so narrow! Are you really a Medical Doctor?

You are not having slightest idea of psychdynamic theories of present.

Your school of psychology is the eastern (Indian) version who has put away Freud's theories, just because it clashes with their culture.

Who said so? People who have thrown away Freud's theorirs are infact Western psychiatrists, not the eastern ones. It was thrown not because of culture clashes, but due to it's inability to describe the origin og human psychodynamics. You better read on that before posting. For the knowledge of you, I am a post-graduate doctor on Clinical Medicine.

But the Western(American) school of teaching psychology still consider's Freud's theories. Freud was neglected when he was alive, but his theories are accepted after he is dead. You are still in the history...

Where? They teach Freud's tehories. Even we were taught. But then they teach modern theories which grossly reject Freud's theories.

 

[freon]

I wasn't talking about "Allah" forgiving.
I was talking about people forgiving people who did bad to them.

If Islam preaches to forgive human by human, then why there is a concept called a holy war? Why Palestine go into war with Israel and why Bin Laden asks Palestinians to go in to holy war against Israel?
Can't they simply forgive each other?

Furthermore, then what about the concept of an eye-to-eye, tooth-to-tooth in Quaran? Are you telling me that Quaran is wrong?

i recon your a good discussion maker, thats why i would expect a bit more from you than this.

1. there is nothing called "HOLY WAR" in islam, simple and clear.
of course it exsist in CNN,FOX,BBC,SKY etc.but again they have nothing to with anything else than "MONEY"

2. Palestinians are not doing a "HOLY WAR" again. please read more about "occupation" and "resistance". if you need a local example see why 4th of february is important to sri lankans.

3. and YES Islam says fight when you need to fight, dont just run away.
BIN LADEN - Refer to point 1 again about CNN,BBC
basically europians, americans stole everything from everyone and are still doing ie:check sri lanka itself from colonial to post colonial era. chased red indians, aborogins,south africans and got all their lands and resourses. when they wanted the oil from muslim countries it wasnt easy to get away like it. thus came the "fight against terrorism".

 

[Juziers]

Did you miss out these? Now can we see some explanation about these *forgiving* verses from Q'ran?

Chapter 8, Verse 60:

Quote:
Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your disposal so that you can strike terror into the enemies of Allah and of the believers and others beside them who may be unknown to you, though Allah knows them. And remember whatever you spend for the cause of Allah shall be repaid to you. You shall not be wronged.

Chapter 8, Verse 65:

Quote:
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred steadfast they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence.

Chapter 8, Verse 66:

Quote:
Now hath Allah lightened your burden, for He knoweth that there is weakness in you. So if there be of you a steadfast hundred they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a thousand (steadfast) they shall overcome two thousand by permission of Allah. Allah is with the steadfast.

Chapter 8, Verse 15:

Quote:
O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them.

Chapter 4, Verse 76:

Quote:
Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! the devil's strategy is ever weak.

Hi sri lion,

I admire your keenness to gain knowledge about islam through the holy texts. The only thing is, you won't understand these verses correctly if you don't refer to how these verses are explained in the exegesis. That means most of the Quranic verses are associated to a precise situation which, if you don't know, you'll never get the meaning.

As for the verse 8:60

This verse refers to the battle of 'Badr', the first in Islam. Battles are devided into two categories, namely 'defensive battles' and 'offensive battles'. 'Badr' was a case of a defensive battle. After muslims being harrased, tortured and some executed in the early years of Islam, The Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) got the order to defend the muslim community from the hands of their enemies. Until this point, the muslims never reacted hatredly inspite of all barbaric acts they were subjected to. By this verse Allah gave them the signal to defend themselves by spending(the early muslims were poor in their majority) and participating.

As for verse 8;65

Still we are in the context of the 'Badr' war. The muslims in whole were not more than 313 fighters. The Quraish enemies were more than 1000 well trained and armed fighters. The enemies counted more than 700 cavalrymen whereas the muslims didn't exceed a dozen. So you clearly observe the unbalance of power. Allah provided this verse as a moral encouragement.

As for verse 8;66

This verse was revealed after the battle was over(with the victory of the muslims which Allah provided by sending Angels to battle by their side), to lighten the future burdens. That's why the verse reads hundred for two hundred and not hundred for thousand enemies as in the previous verse.

As for verse 8;15

This verse was sent well before the 'Badr' battle to encourage muslims not to turn back compairing their unbalanced armies.

As for verse 4;76

This verse is the reply for some early muslims who feared battle when they got the order to battle to defend themselves and said " what! we're ordered to battle ?"

As you see my friend, All the verses which you refer are for the same defensive battle. Defending oneself, his family, his dignity, his property and his country is universaly accepted human rights(Geneva chart for human rights).

I hope you got the point.Thank you