SPEECH OF AN IDOL GUIDING THE MISGUIDED

[DJ ASHAN]

maru hodeee

 

[fazaal24]

'Aha! Idolater!!!', Isn't that what you people automatically assume when you see a Buddhist for example, praying in front of a Buddha statue?

No Way, its just that ur so called MINDSET makes you think that way. I never look at person by his religion. I dont like your mindset bro, you are too harsh on muslims. No Hard Feelings.

 

[sri_lion]

Answer to question n°1 : There's indeed mercy and forgiveness for enemies ...as soon as they lay down arms and stop aggression. Just take the example of the victory of Mekkah in the 10th year after Prophet Muhammed's (pbuh) exode. He pardoned everyone without exception, even Hinda who killed and bit the heart of Prophet's uncle Hamza.

So basically its based on, you kill - we kill theory?

Take Israel Palestine for an example... what have they gained from you kill - we kill theory?

Answer to question n°2 : Quran is the last monotheist religion which completed Allah's earlier revelations and set the world order until the day of judgement. So it's laws are universal and never outdated

Quran : 34:28 NOW [as for thee, O Muhammad,] We have not sent thee otherwise than to mankind at large, to be a herald of glad tidings and a warner; but most people do not understand [this],

Ok.. Lets say the verse 8:60, you mentioned that "This verse refers to the battle of 'Badr'" now you are saying it is universal? so which one is it? is it still valid today?

Answer to question n°3 : The judgementday is true, willingly or unwillingly, we'll all be questioned of our worldly deeds. Injustice will be punished. The greatest injustice in Islam is what you cause for your ownself, that's disbeleaving the Almighty who created your person, gave life to your soul from His breath, pleasured and kindled you with whatever benefited you. So that why the Almighty says in the Quran :4:48 VERILY, God does not forgive the ascribing of divinity to aught beside Him, although He forgives any lesser sin unto whomever He wills: for he who ascribes divinity to aught beside God has indeed contrived an awesome sin.

Bro think about it this way....

World's majority is not Muslim... they are non-Muslims, so on the judgment day majority of this world will go to HELL... Why did Allah created humans with free will and then when humans use it, he punishes them? Why?

All Muslims talk about respecting other religions even in this forum, Muslims are hurt when we question their belief but it is your Holy Book that does the greatest disrespect to all non-Muslims saying Allah will send them all to HELL on judgment day, yet you expect every other religion to respect Islam! Why?

Lord Buddha, Jesus and 125000 of them (as I've heard) were Allah's messengers and they failed to do their job to keep people going away from Islam, if Allah cannot create a proper messenger for the greatest task that there is (125000 or so failures before Mohammad) what guarantee that we have all this is his creations and he is perfect and he is an almighty?

although He forgives any lesser sin unto whomever He wills:

So are you saying even if you are not a Muslim god can forgive you? Why? What will happen to a such person after he has been forgiven? where does Allah send him? Ofcourse Allah cannot send him to HELL because he has been forgiven, can he send him to heaven? If he send such a person to heaven which means you don't need to be a Muslim to go to heaven!

Please explain!

Answer to question n°4 : In Islam, criminals do have rights. That is to be dealt with appropriate measure. You must be impartial in dealing with their matters taking to consideration all substances of their background which led them to crimes. If they repent and repair the door of forgiveness is ever open.

How can you talk about being impartial when the law itself coming from Islam? If the origin is Islamic can that be impartial?

 

[nadeeshaF]

No Way, its just that ur so called MINDSET makes you think that way. I never look at person by his religion. I dont like your mindset bro, you are too harsh on muslims. No Hard Feelings.

Not really, since worshipping anything other than Allah is considered idolatry in Islam. So Buddhists are essentially Idolaters. How can this be my 'mindset' when it's an Islamic principle?

As stated ealier worshiping is a cultural thing, it is done as a mark of respect. Reason why people also worship their parents or the elderly in Sri Lanka.

Your religion fails to see that, and Buddhists for example who pray in front of a Buddha statue would be taken at face value, and branded idolaters. It may not cross your mind, but that is what Islam has branded Buddhists. If we are to turn the tables around, and take muslims praying in rows at a mosque at face value, then it can also be assumed that one is worshipping the bum of the person in front of him. Because that's what it looks like init?

 

[freon]

Religion is there to show the correct path of life in terms of spirituality. Religion is not a complete philosophy to teach the way of life. Legal systems are the complete guide.

So you saying religions only capable guiding people partly? it should treat humans as angels ignoring their natural qualities?

If that happens, I have many other countries to go and live happily
I don't have a bond to a particular country. We all are human. So humankind comes very first before my country. Which means I can live in any country where there are humans.

oh so you mean in a lesser scale, if someone comes and takes over your house. you just gona let them have and go away..woa how generous..

good for you, i hope you can take the ones you love with you as well, cos if not its like you are cowered and ran away leaving them. but the more important point is not everyones lucky like you cant goto countries like that, so you saying those who can runnaway should, others should wait until they are crushed to death

Yeah. That's quite true. But that resistance shouldn't come through a religious book. It should come from the legal system of a country. Because killing is bad for what I believe.
So if we fight and kill someone, then we should face the consequences rather than believing in going to heaven with 72 virgins.

any countries leagal system is based on its sovereignty, so it never will tell a citizen to run away like a covered.again when you say it shouldnt come from book, you mean book is not a complete guide, thus imperfect?

 

[Juziers]

So basically its based on, you kill - we kill theory?

You got it

Take Israel Palestine for an example... what have they gained from you kill - we kill theory?

They have gained survival

Ok.. Lets say the verse 8:60, you mentioned that "This verse refers to the battle of 'Badr'" now you are saying it is universal? so which one is it? is it still valid today?

The verses in question were revealed during 'Badr' war. But the principles of Quran are universal and valid till the day of Judgement.

Bro think about it this way....

World's majority is not Muslim... they are non-Muslims, so on the judgment day majority of this world will go to HELL... Why did Allah created humans with free will and then when humans use it, he punishes them? Why?

Humans were created with intellectual capacity not only for their survival and satisfaction of basic needs, but also to meditate on the creations and the CREATOR behind them and to worship Him( worshipping has a larger meaning in Islam ,which consists of living according to the moral and spiritual values traced by Allah). To do so, Allah sent messengers from time to time to complete the one and same message which is not to worship anything else than the CREATOR himself. So what I sincerely advice you is, to investigate much more into Islam in a costructive way so that you won't regret this heartly advice one terrible day to come.

All Muslims talk about respecting other religions even in this forum, Muslims are hurt when we question their belief but it is your Holy Book that does the greatest disrespect to all non-Muslims saying Allah will send them all to HELL on judgment day, yet you expect every other religion to respect Islam! Why?

Don't worry, muslims don't get hurt when we're questioned. In the contrary, it's our duty and pleasure to explain things as they are. Going to heaven or hell is not a question of respect or disrespect, it's a matter of giving just measure to those who deserve and those who don't. As for respect, Allah gives it to everyone in general in the worldly life by giving them food, health etc, eventhough people may disregard Him. Most people disrespect Allah THE Sustainer, and not Allah disrespect people.

Lord Buddha, Jesus and 125000 of them (as I've heard) were Allah's messengers and they failed to do their job to keep people going away from Islam, if Allah cannot create a proper messenger for the greatest task that there is (125000 or so failures before Mohammad) what guarantee that we have all this is his creations and he is perfect and he is an almighty?

The messengers of Allah never failed to do their job. Their job was to INFORM and not to IMPOSE. As for the perfectness of Allah, it's sufficiant to look at the perfect harmony of His creations starting from our ownselves.

So are you saying even if you are not a Muslim god can forgive you? Why? What will happen to a such person after he has been forgiven? where does Allah send him? Ofcourse Allah cannot send him to HELL because he has been forgiven, can he send him to heaven? If he send such a person to heaven which means you don't need to be a Muslim to go to heaven!

Please explain!

Please take time to read the message well before putting forward questions. In the verse quoted, it's mentioned that Allah can forgive any other sin apart from worshipping any other than Him. So that's the point

How can you talk about being impartial when the law itself coming from Islam? If the origin is Islamic can that be impartial?

Islam is the law of the CREATOR. Who better can legislate laws than the CREATOR Himself. People may be unjust, but Allah is JUST and WISE. What do you consider as unjust in Shari'a (islamic law)?

 

[Juziers]

Hi Nadeesha

Not really, since worshipping anything other than Allah is considered idolatry in Islam. So Buddhists are essentially Idolaters. How can this be my 'mindset' when it's an Islamic principle?

What do you mean by an 'islamic principle'? It's a simple fact that when you worship as CREATOR something which is created by man himself, your called an idolater.

As stated ealier worshiping is a cultural thing, it is done as a mark of respect. Reason why people also worship their parents or the elderly in Sri Lanka.

Worshipping is not a 'cultural thing'. Rather it's a 'cultual thing'. As you may see by it's definitions, culture and cult has different origins and puposes although they may co-exist. 'Respect' and 'worshipping' doesn't have the same definition neither. In general, we must respect everyone without distinction, which is natural. But 'worshipping' is a unique cultual devotion.

Your religion fails to see that, and Buddhists for example who pray in front of a Buddha statue would be taken at face value, and branded idolaters. It may not cross your mind, but that is what Islam has branded Buddhists. If we are to turn the tables around, and take muslims praying in rows at a mosque at face value, then it can also be assumed that one is worshipping the bum of the person in front of him. Because that's what it looks like init?

There's no taking idol worshipping for 'face value'. It's a fact. Islam was not revealed to brand people in anyway. Islam as well as it's prophet (pbuh)were sent as a mercy for humankind

Quran :21:107 We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures.

As for muslims praying in rows in the mosque, it's quite clear and well known that they are'nt worshipping the 'bum' of his fellow brother in front. They all worship the Almighty, the Unique.
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[Wal Bada]

What do you mean by an 'islamic principle'? It's a simple fact that when you worship as CREATOR something which is created by man himself, your called an idolater.

Who is you creator? Your parents? or Allah?

 

[freon]

Who is you creator? Your parents? or Allah?

pls check the definition of the creator:
one that creates usually by bringing something new or original into being ; especially capitalized : god 1

sorce :http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creator

 

[x-pert]

So you saying religions only capable guiding people partly? it should treat humans as angels ignoring their natural qualities?

Yes and No.

Religion should interfere with Spiritual life. (so yes, partly)
No, All humans are not angels or deamons. That's why there has to be a legal system beyond the religion to handle that.

oh so you mean in a lesser scale, if someone comes and takes over your house. you just gona let them have and go away..woa how generous..


good for you, i hope you can take the ones you love with you as well, cos if not its like you are cowered and ran away leaving them. but the more important point is not everyones lucky like you cant goto countries like that, so you saying those who can runnaway should, others should wait until they are crushed to death

Who's going to take over my house?
Nobody is going to take over anyone's house mate. Different parties only try to take a piece of land only. They don't want any houses. They want only the authority to control people.

Nobody crushes you unless you resist. Living in a country under a different ruler can be done right? Well, virtually we live like that anyway. So what's the big deal about it?

On the other hand, in a situation like that, you would run like a coward without thinking about the loved ones. Or Allah might come and save you

any countries leagal system is based on its sovereignty, so it never will tell a citizen to run away like a covered.again when you say it shouldnt come from book, you mean book is not a complete guide, thus imperfect?

Again what I'm saying is, religion should affect only the spiritual life. Not the physics of it. When you take physics into religion, all sorts of problems do occur.

 

[Wal Bada]

pls check the definition of the creator:
one that creates usually by bringing something new or original into being ; especially capitalized : god 1

sorce :http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creator

So who is responsible for the birth of deformed children?

 

[nadeeshaF]

Hi Nadeesha

What do you mean by an 'islamic principle'? It's a simple fact that when you worship as CREATOR something which is created by man himself, your called an idolater.

Priciple = rule of thumb. I think you get that.

Worshipping is not a 'cultural thing'. Rather it's a 'cultual thing'. As you may see by it's definitions, culture and cult has different origins and puposes although they may co-exist. 'Respect' and 'worshipping' doesn't have the same definition neither. In general, we must respect everyone without distinction, which is natural. But 'worshipping' is a unique cultual devotion.

You are right, respect and worshipping don't mean the same - I didn't insinuate that. In this case respect is the cause of worship. You can call it the result of whatever you want (unique cultual devotion), but a traditional Sinhalese will tell you they worship their parents out of respect. The real cause might be lost today, and people might do it for the sake of doing it or out of habit. BUT like it or not the purpose of it is still 'respect', and that's the truth.

There are different degrees of respect as respect is something that often has to be earned. For example I don't have the same level of respect for everyone, it doesn't mean I don't respect everyone. And for all your pretense, I bet you don't either. Do you have the same respect for a crooked politician as you would to your parents?

Islam was not revealed to brand people in anyway. Islam as well as it's prophet (pbuh)were sent as a mercy for humankind

Quran :21:107 We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures.

As for muslims praying in rows in the mosque, it's quite clear and well known that they are'nt worshipping the 'bum' of his fellow brother in front. They all worship the Almighty, the Unique.

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That is one fat LIE. Islam divides people like no other religion.

1. Muslims Vs Non muslim (Kuffar)

2. Jizya for non muslims, but not muslims

3. Dar ul Islam (land belonging to muslims) Vs Dar ul Kufr (land belonging to non-muslims)

4. Non muslims doomed to eternal hellfire, regardless of their goodness

5. A non-muslim's life is also far less worth than a muslim's in the middle east based on sharia law. Following is a breakdown of each group's worth in blood money:

• 12,000 dirham for a muslim man
• 6,000 dirhams for a muslim woman
• 6,000 dirhams for a Christian/Jews man
• 3,000 dirham for a Christian/Jews woman
• 800 dirham for a Magian man
• 400 dirham for a Magian woman

(Source: http://www.islam-watch.org/Taleb/Value-of-Human-Life-in-Islam.htm)

Why all the divisions? No other religion divides people like this. If you can't see discrimination here, you are brainwashed. What right does Islam have to value human life based on religion?

There's no taking idol worshipping for 'face value'. It's a fact.

Oh really? Just like it's fact for you that praying in front of a Buddha statue equals Idolatry, it is 'Fact' for me that Muslims are either a) worshippinh air b) worshipping the front person's ass. You make the call. Since there is no hard evidence for the existence of Allah, he is not a FACT for me.

 

[sri_lion]

So who is responsible for the birth of deformed children?

And he who should be sent to burning HELL in the first place!!

 

[sri_lion]

You got it

They have gained survival

Yes! together with fear, grief, dependency on others... that's a tough bargain while their enemy has no problem!

The verses in question were revealed during 'Badr' war. But the principles of Quran are universal and valid till the day of Judgement.

What are the *principles* that you are talking here? Are you suggesting that the core idea is the same? if that so.. that's exactly what I mean too!

Why does Allah give license for people to kill and not make those who do wrong vanish into thin Air? I dont understand... he is the almighty after all, why does he give the power to people whom are uncomparable to him in all wisdom to take justice into their own hands? and by doing so they also can use that license to kill in a wrong manner.. like what Bin Laden does, using holy war as his slogan!

Humans were created with intellectual capacity not only for their survival and satisfaction of basic needs, but also to meditate on the creations and the CREATOR behind them and to worship Him( worshipping has a larger meaning in Islam ,which consists of living according to the moral and spiritual values traced by Allah). To do so, Allah sent messengers from time to time to complete the one and same message which is not to worship anything else than the CREATOR himself. So what I sincerely advice you is, to investigate much more into Islam in a costructive way so that you won't regret this heartly advice one terrible day to come.

What I'm asking you is... the so called messengers that Allah sent time to time.. why did most of them failed? who's fault is that majority of human beings on this earth are non-Muslims? Please answer!

Don't worry, muslims don't get hurt when we're questioned. In the contrary, it's our duty and pleasure to explain things as they are. Going to heaven or hell is not a question of respect or disrespect, it's a matter of giving just measure to those who deserve and those who don't. As for respect, Allah gives it to everyone in general in the worldly life by giving them food, health etc, eventhough people may disregard Him. Most people disrespect Allah THE Sustainer, and not Allah disrespect people.

Good point you bought about there which I've bold... so vise versa all the natural disasters caused in this world killing millions of people of all ages and kinds are infact Allah's responsibility isn't it? He created the Universe so he must take responsibility of what's happening in it!

Now lets see how you gauge this situation according to your own theory! As much as you love the beauty of nature and say "Its a miracle of Allah" would you also say "Allah is reponsible for the tsunami"? You choose!!

The messengers of Allah never failed to do their job. Their job was to INFORM and not to IMPOSE. As for the perfectness of Allah, it's sufficiant to look at the perfect harmony of His creations starting from our ownselves.

Well all I gotta ask you is the same question, if all Allah's messengers did thier job perfectly then you and I wont be having this conversation today that it self is living proof of his failure!

Secondly, also like I've mentioned above.. lets see you can actually accept the fact that Allah is the creator of destruction forces too, which kicks *perfect harmony* in the ass

Please take time to read the message well before putting forward questions. In the verse quoted, it's mentioned that Allah can forgive any other sin apart from worshipping any other than Him. So that's the point

Please read my questions first, because you have not even remotely made an attempt to answer those...

So here you are saying that NO MATTER how GOOD a person can be, if they do not worship Allah then he/she will be sent to HELL? is it? then we are back to square one bro.. this was what I was asking you in the very first place!

You statements are contradicting now!

Islam is the law of the CREATOR. Who better can legislate laws than the CREATOR Himself. People may be unjust, but Allah is JUST and WISE. What do you consider as unjust in Shari'a (islamic law)?

How can one believe in Islamic Law when Islam's holy book threatens the life of people who aren't afraid to criticize / or uses freedom of speech?

Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter. (33:61)

Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in the world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained. (33:57)

Know they not that whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, his portion verily is hell, to abide therein? That is the extreme abasement. (9:63)

 

[freon]

So who is responsible for the birth of deformed children?

if you accept he's the creator, then you cant deny the fact that he doesnt need to satisfy your argument when doing his creations.

it would be stupid to argue creator should abligh to creation..and should accept what creation thinks right and wrong..
anyone would know creater should be "intelligent" than the creation.

 

[Wal Bada]

if you accept he's the creator, then you cant deny the fact that he doesnt need to satisfy your argument when doing his creations.

Which in turn says that the logic even the creation can understand was not understood by the creator.

it would be stupid to argue creator should abligh to creation..and should accept what creation thinks right and wrong.. anyone would know creater should be "intelligent" than the creation.

That shows that creation is imperfect. Dice rolls once more. Imperfect creation -> imperfect creator.

 

[freon]

Which in turn says that the logic even the creation can understand was not understood by the creator.

whats the need for the creator to understand creations logics .
thats a dumb argument. just like you can eat meat but cant kill animals

 

[Juziers]

Priciple = rule of thumb. I think you get that.

principle (according to Oxford dictionary)



• noun 1 a fundamental truth or proposition serving as the foundation for belief or action. 2 a rule or belief governing one’s personal behaviour. 3 morally correct behaviour and attitudes. 4 a general scientific theorem or natural law. 5 a fundamental source or basis of something. 6 [SIZE=-1]Chemistry[/SIZE] an active or characteristic constituent of a substance.
[SIZE=-1]— PHRASES[/SIZE] in principle in theory. on principle because of one’s adherence to a particular belief. [SIZE=-1]— ORIGIN[/SIZE] Latin principium ‘source’, from princeps ‘first, chief’.

You are right, respect and worshipping don't mean the same - I didn't insinuate that. In this case respect is the cause of worship. You can call it the result of whatever you want (unique cultual devotion), but a traditional Sinhalese will tell you they worship their parents out of respect. The real cause might be lost today, and people might do it for the sake of doing it or out of habit. BUT like it or not the purpose of it is still 'respect', and that's the truth.

It's quite natural you respect and kinder your parents as they kindered you when you were small. In Islam, it's compulsory you respect, look after and kinder your parents.

Quran : 2:215 THEY WILL ASK thee as to what they should spend on others. Say: "Whatever of your wealth you spend shall [first] be for your parents, and for the near of kin, and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer; and whatever good you do, verily, God has full knowledge thereof."

Quran :4:36 AND WORSHIP God [alone], and do not ascribe divinity, in any way, to aught beside Him. And do good unto your parents, and near of kin, and unto orphans, and the needy, and the neighbour from among your own people, and the neighbour who is a stranger,and the friend by your side, and the wayfarer, and those whom you rightfully possess. Verily, God does not love any of those who, full of self-conceit, act in a boastful manner;

Quran : 6:151 Say: "Come, let me convey unto you what God has [really] forbidden to you: "Do not ascribe divinity, in any way, to aught beside Him; and [do not offend against but, rather,] do good unto your parents; and do not kill your children for fear of poverty - [for] it is We who shall provide sustenance for you as well as for them;and do not commit any shameful deeds, be they open or secret; and do not take any human being's life-[the life] which God has declared to be sacred -otherwise than in [the pursuit of] justice: this has He enjoined upon you so that you might use your reason;

Quran :17:23 for thy Sustainer has ordained that you shall worship none but Him. And do good unto [thy] parents.Should one of them, or both, attain to old age in thy care, never say "Ugh" to them or scold them, but [always] speak unto them with reverent speech,

There are different degrees of respect as respect is something that often has to be earned. For example I don't have the same level of respect for everyone, it doesn't mean I don't respect everyone. And for all your pretense, I bet you don't either. Do you have the same respect for a crooked politician as you would to your parents?

Your right

That is one fat LIE. Islam divides people like no other religion.

1. Muslims Vs Non muslim (Kuffar)

This is the western political and media brainwash.

2. Jizya for non muslims, but not muslims

Jizya for non muslims
Zakath for muslims

Non muslims residing in muslim country pay this tax. In return, they should be provided with security and benefit equal rights as everyone

Muslims pay zakath (obligatory annual tax) in whatever country they live (muslim or non muslim country)

3. Dar ul Islam (land belonging to muslims) Vs Dar ul Kufr (land belonging to non-muslims)

It's a matter of identification. Sri Lanka is well known as therawadi buddhist country isn't it.

4. Non muslims doomed to eternal hellfire, regardless of their goodness

The goodness starts with reckoning with gratitude our real CREATOR. What goodness is when you replace God with Idols that can't see, listen or answer

5. A non-muslim's life is also far less worth than a muslim's in the middle east based on sharia law. Following is a breakdown of each group's worth in blood money:

• 12,000 dirham for a muslim man
• 6,000 dirhams for a muslim woman
• 6,000 dirhams for a Christian/Jews man
• 3,000 dirham for a Christian/Jews woman
• 800 dirham for a Magian man
• 400 dirham for a Magian woman

(Source: http://www.islam-watch.org/Taleb/Value-of-Human-Life-in-Islam.htm)

Why all the divisions? No other religion divides people like this. If you can't see discrimination here, you are brainwashed. What right does Islam have to value human life based on religion?

The middle east countries of today are not valid references for shari'a. Even some non muslim countries have better shar'a rules although they're not mentioned as shari'a.

Oh really? Just like it's fact for you that praying in front of a Buddha statue equals Idolatry, it is 'Fact' for me that Muslims are either a) worshippinh air b) worshipping the front person's ass. You make the call. Since there is no hard evidence for the existence of Allah, he is not a FACT for me.

Quran :2:2 THIS DIVINE WRITING- let there be no doubt about it is [meant to be] a guidance for all the God-conscious.
2:3 Who believe in [the existence of] that which is beyond the reach of human perception, and are constant in prayer, and spend on others out of what We provide for them as sustenance;

 

[Juziers]

Yes! together with fear, grief, dependency on others... that's a tough bargain while their enemy has no problem!

Also with honour, faith and loyalty

What are the *principles* that you are talking here? Are you suggesting that the core idea is the same? if that so.. that's exactly what I mean too!

What I mean is, in a similar situation, the strategy will be the same. But you can't use these verses as reference to massacre innocent people (muslims or non muslims), or to declare an offensive war without valid reason.

Why does Allah give license for people to kill and not make those who do wrong vanish into thin Air? I dont understand... he is the almighty after all, why does he give the power to people whom are uncomparable to him in all wisdom to take justice into their own hands? and by doing so they also can use that license to kill in a wrong manner.. like what Bin Laden does, using holy war as his slogan!

The worldly life is a trial, to see who reasons and who doesn't, who's just and who's not etc. Justice should be implemented by those who are designated for it. So there's no general license for everyone to kill or make justice. Everyone will account for what they did in their lifetime on earth and there's no escape, be it bin Laden or who ever else.

Quran : 99:7 And so, he who shall have done an atom's weight of good, shall behold it;
99:8 and he who shall have done an atom's weight of evil, shall behold it.

What I'm asking you is... the so called messengers that Allah sent time to time.. why did most of them failed? who's fault is that majority of human beings on this earth are non-Muslims? Please answer!

Who told they failed ? they transmitted the message and that's all. It's up to you to believe or not.

Quran :10:47 To every people (was sent) an apostle (messenger): when their apostle comes (before them), the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged.

Quran : 5:99 No more is the Apostle bound to do than deliver the message [entrusted to him]: and God knows all that you do openly, and all that you would conceal

Good point you bought about there which I've bold... so vise versa all the natural disasters caused in this world killing millions of people of all ages and kinds are infact Allah's responsibility isn't it? He created the Universe so he must take responsibility of what's happening in it!

Now lets see how you gauge this situation according to your own theory! As much as you love the beauty of nature and say "Its a miracle of Allah" would you also say "Allah is reponsible for the tsunami"? You choose!!

Quran :30:41 [Since they have become oblivious of God,] corruption has appeared on land and in the sea as an outcome of what men’s hands have wrought: and so He will let them taste [the evil of] some of their doings, so that they might return [to the right path].

Allah has created nature with a perfect balance that has been corrupted by irresponsible human activity which has resulted in global warming, unexpected climate changes, sea pollution etc. Allah has already told us to be nature friendly and warned of these consequences in the quran 1400 years ago.

Well all I gotta ask you is the same question, if all Allah's messengers did thier job perfectly then you and I wont be having this conversation today that it self is living proof of his failure!

It's not a failure, it's just that I got the message and you're in the process.

Secondly, also like I've mentioned above.. lets see you can actually accept the fact that Allah is the creator of destruction forces too, which kicks *perfect harmony* in the ass

already answered to the question above. As for the perfect harmony, here are some examples;

Quran :30:21 And among His wonders is this: He creates for you mates out of your own kind. so that you might incline towards them, and He engenders love and tenderness between you: in this, behold, there are messages indeed for people who think!
30:22 And among his wonders is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the diversity of your tongues (languages) and colours: for in this, behold, there are messages indeed for all who are possessed of [innate] knowledge!
30:23 And among His wonders is your sleep, at night or in daytime, as well as your [ability to go about in] quest of some of His bounties: in this, behold, there are messages indeed for people who [are willing to] listen!
30:24 And among His wonders is this: He displays before you the lightning, giving rise to [both] fear and hope, and sends down water from the skies, giving life thereby to the earth after it had been lifeless: in this, behold, there are messages indeed for people who use their reason!
30:25 And among His wonders is this: the skies and the earth stand firm at His behest.[Remember all this: for] in the end, when He will call you forth from the earth with a single call - lo! you will [all] emerge [for judgment].

There are so many explanations on the creations in the Quran. The creation of a human for example:

Quran :23:14 Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!

At the time this was revealed in the Quran 1400 years ago, mankind didn't have the slightest idea of what exactly was happening in the matrix of a mother. This is ample proof of the Creator.

Please read my questions first, because you have not even remotely made an attempt to answer those...

I'll try to do better

So here you are saying that NO MATTER how GOOD a person can be, if they do not worship Allah then he/she will be sent to HELL? is it? then we are back to square one bro.. this was what I was asking you in the very first place!

The measure of 'goodness' starts with reckoning the One who created you, showing gratitude through worshipping for all the goodness He has given you.

You statements are contradicting now!

Are they ? Can you pls show where ?

How can one believe in Islamic Law when Islam's holy book threatens the life of people who aren't afraid to criticize / or uses freedom of speech?

People can criticize however they will. Where in Islam you see prohibition for freedom of speech?
Anyway, as a friendly advice, blasphematory criticism doesn't lead to any positive outcome. Only constructive criticism in the sense of mutual gain will lead to a positive outcome.

 

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Also with honour, faith and loyalty

Look at them... the grief, hatred overwhelming them.. what a life!

What I mean is, in a similar situation, the strategy will be the same. But you can't use these verses as reference to massacre innocent people (muslims or non muslims), or to declare an offensive war without valid reason.

Even if someone uses them who's going to stop them? Allah? When 9/11 happened many innocent people died.. and Bin Laden since then covering it up saying he is in a Holy War with the west.. and it wasn't hard for him to take reference from Q'ran, who would have questioned him anyway!!!

So he exploited a verse from Q'ran probably for his personal advantage... and Allah's holy words exploited by an ordinary man.. if Q'ran mentioned something like "even your enemies must be forgiven" then we could have seen a very different mindset today among Muslims for people like Bin Laden!!

The worldly life is a trial, to see who reasons and who doesn't, who's just and who's not etc. Justice should be implemented by those who are designated for it. So there's no general license for everyone to kill or make justice. Everyone will account for what they did in their lifetime on earth and there's no escape, be it bin Laden or who ever else.

Quran : 99:7 And so, he who shall have done an atom's weight of good, shall behold it;
99:8 and he who shall have done an atom's weight of evil, shall behold it.

Any exact time Allah mentioned in the Q'ran? as in human days or years or light years?

Who told they failed ? they transmitted the message and that's all. It's up to you to believe or not.

Quran :10:47 To every people (was sent) an apostle (messenger): when their apostle comes (before them), the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged.

Quran : 5:99 No more is the Apostle bound to do than deliver the message [entrusted to him]: and God knows all that you do openly, and all that you would conceal

1 out of 125000? How come only Mohammad succeeded getting the message through? what happened to others?

Quran :30:41 [Since they have become oblivious of God,] corruption has appeared on land and in the sea as an outcome of what men’s hands have wrought: and so He will let them taste [the evil of] some of their doings, so that they might return [to the right path].

Allah has created nature with a perfect balance that has been corrupted by irresponsible human activity which has resulted in global warming, unexpected climate changes, sea pollution etc. Allah has already told us to be nature friendly and warned of these consequences in the quran 1400 years ago.

HAHAHA Really sorry to say this but this is genuine BULLSHIT!!

Are you telling me that Volcanic Eruptions, Floods, Tsunamis, Earthquakes, Tornadoes all this actually began after man appeared on earth? HAHAHA Are you serious?

It's not a failure, it's just that I got the message and you're in the process.

How do you know for sure?

already answered to the question above. As for the perfect harmony, here are some examples;

Quran :30:21 And among His wonders is this: He creates for you mates out of your own kind. so that you might incline towards them, and He engenders love and tenderness between you: in this, behold, there are messages indeed for people who think!
30:22 And among his wonders is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the diversity of your tongues (languages) and colours: for in this, behold, there are messages indeed for all who are possessed of [innate] knowledge!
30:23 And among His wonders is your sleep, at night or in daytime, as well as your [ability to go about in] quest of some of His bounties: in this, behold, there are messages indeed for people who [are willing to] listen!
30:24 And among His wonders is this: He displays before you the lightning, giving rise to [both] fear and hope, and sends down water from the skies, giving life thereby to the earth after it had been lifeless: in this, behold, there are messages indeed for people who use their reason!
30:25 And among His wonders is this: the skies and the earth stand firm at His behest.[Remember all this: for] in the end, when He will call you forth from the earth with a single call - lo! you will [all] emerge [for judgment].

There are so many explanations on the creations in the Quran. The creation of a human for example:

Quran :23:14 Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!

At the time this was revealed in the Quran 1400 years ago, mankind didn't have the slightest idea of what exactly was happening in the matrix of a mother. This is ample proof of the Creator.

Ok so if that explains, in recent times we saw a massive tsunami caused by the earth's faulty plates over lapping each other, killing more Muslims than any other... how serene and balanced is that? his creation.. the EARTH is faulty!! And thousands of people paid by their lives for his imperfection...

The measure of 'goodness' starts with reckoning the One who created you, showing gratitude through worshipping for all the goodness He has given you.

Are they ? Can you pls show where ?

Ok I'll ask again....

You said.. "Allah can forgive any other sin apart from worshipping any other than Him."

What does that mean? How does that stack up with consequences for people whom follwed Allah and those for who did not?

We know that people who followed Allah will be sent to Heaven, what will happen to people whom he forgiven to some extent? where do they go? that's my question, surely they don't belong in HELL when Allah has already forgiven them

People can criticize however they will. Where in Islam you see prohibition for freedom of speech?
Anyway, as a friendly advice, blasphematory criticism doesn't lead to any positive outcome. Only constructive criticism in the sense of mutual gain will lead to a positive outcome.

HAHA Blind Bashing or Constructive Criticism, which country that follows Shariah Law actually allows these? care to let me know?