SPEECH OF AN IDOL GUIDING THE MISGUIDED

[crazycombo]

ok..... good for you..... and i salute you

 

[Hot-Witch-Girl]

After reading about all these religions, I have learnt one important lesson.

All these religions use Human's Fear of Death,
to strenghten their devotees faith,
and to keep the devotees in a Guilt Trap!

Why you people can't just stop feeling bad about yourselves,
and be happy to be here on earth!

You cannot stop death, it is certain... There are so many things to celebrate in life and earth, to feel good and happy..!

 

[freon]

Still it does not answer who is responsible for the birth of deformed children.

buddy are you really a doc? cant you understand what "EVERYTHING" means? you can come out of a list asking one by one..but its a simple thing to undestand,everythings created by god

 

[gazaly]

buddy are you really a doc? cant you understand what "EVERYTHING" means? you can come out of a list asking one by one..but its a simple thing to undestand,everythings created by god

(doctorsla minissunge Jeeivithey apeyta thiyala strike karala hambakala kawath mey doca Honda Eka..a'kai hama welema avihinsanaya gana ma katha karanney )

 

[freon]

(doctorsla minissunge Jeeivithey apeyta thiyala strike karala hambakala kawath mey doca Honda Eka..a'kai hama welema avihinsanaya gana ma katha karanney )

ane manda machan, akuren akura kiyanna wei wage, primary school evunta wage.maara doctorsla ne

 

[gazaly]

ane manda machan, akuren akura kiyanna wei wage, primary school evunta wage.maara doctorsla ne

Hahaha a'kanam Aththa.. A'ka karanna thiyenney eka deyai..mas kanna eppa kiyala Thread Ekak patan ganna..echcharak athi.. a'kata Wiruddawa Kanna thamai O'ne kiyala argue karan A'vi.. Ara KFC Haram in UK Thread Eketh A'kamaney.. sathwa gaathanayata wirudda samahar aya Api kanan honda naha kiwwa gaman.. pana pana A'ka ta kukul mas kanan thamai o'ne kawata waraddak naha.. A'ka halal haram kyala balanna o'ne naha kiyala kiyanawa amathaka wela Eyalata kalin Eyala darpu adahas... Hahaha

 

[Juziers]

100% true. it was more mythology based.

yes

Then who made allah ? Can't be nobody! If Allah made this cycle, then someone must have made him. This creator must have anther creator too. And So on. It's also an cycle.

By definition, when muslims use the word CREATOR, that means He's the beginning of everything without a beginning for Himself. Otherwise, if He was just a part of the cycle, then the word CREATOR wouldn't have fit in. This, you believe by rational faith and not through a scientific process.

Yup. Science can't prove something if it's impossible and not true. So I don't wait till science prove the existance of the Creator. But I don't say that the word "Science" means what scientist discovered. I use this word instead of the word "Truth".

Your logic of Science = truth can be put into question very easily. Anyway, beleaving in the Creator is a matter of beleiving in the Unseen. So it cannot be treated with science.

 

[Juziers]

After reading about all these religions, I have learnt one important lesson.

All these religions use Human's Fear of Death,
to strenghten their devotees faith,
and to keep the devotees in a Guilt Trap!

Why you people can't just stop feeling bad about yourselves,
and be happy to be here on earth!

You cannot stop death, it is certain... There are so many things to celebrate in life and earth, to feel good and happy..!

Don't worry........be happy........until your turn

 

[SLR]

thx

 

[shehan1234]

nice post.....

 

[ChuttaFX]

By definition, when muslims use the word CREATOR, that means He's the beginning of everything without a beginning for Himself. Otherwise, if He was just a part of the cycle, then the word CREATOR wouldn't have fit in. This, you believe by rational faith and not through a scientific process.

"muslims use the word CREATOR..."
This is how muslims use this word according to their religion. So this wouldn't be a problem for my idea or for my facts. And this is not a faith. A faith is just a belief. This has scientific facts.

Your logic of Science = truth can be put into question very easily. Anyway, beleaving in the Creator is a matter of beleiving in the Unseen. So it cannot be treated with science.

U says,

1. nobody made the creator
(beginning of everything without a beginning for Himself)

2. the creator is not physical
(beleaving in the Creator is a matter of beleiving in the Unseen)

The creator has same features as the science what is working as a cycle.
So I hope dat ppl use the word "Creator" instead of the science. But it's not an object or a persion. And different religions used different names for it. Such as Allah in islam, Brahma in hinduism, ect...

That's my private idea. And here I don't have changed any religious beliefs. Can be compare with any creator-based religions.

I hope u don't think I'm gonna prove my idea and disgrace yours. This is just a friendly discussion on a topic related to birth of universe. As I said before I always respect all religions coz they help & force ppl to be good.

 

[ChuttaFX]

After reading about all these religions, I have learnt one important lesson.

All these religions use Human's Fear of Death,
to strenghten their devotees faith,
and to keep the devotees in a Guilt Trap!

Why you people can't just stop feeling bad about yourselves,
and be happy to be here on earth!

You cannot stop death, it is certain... There are so many things to celebrate in life and earth, to feel good and happy..!

people can't stop death. so they wanna lessen the fear of death.
people have many sad moments in their life than happy moment. so they wanna live happily ever after.

That's why people use religions. But many of these religions can't do it. But they help & force ppl to be good. if all ones follow them, world would be beautiful. But world is not so. It means dat many ppl don't live according their religion.

However I wanna stop death and I will.

 

[sri_lion]

So if I get you clear, your telling muslims not to boycott, not to defend themselves in their own homeland . You're not going to give me the stupid idea that all palestinians should leave the country and go somewhere else, are you ? Or to sit and wait till the state terrorists have finished with you.
Even if the palestinians do nothing (they've already tried this option for a long time), the zionists grab 5% of palestinian land each year (according to UN) by expanding jewish colonies and by destroying palestinian homes and killing them when needed. So frankly, what's your option ? (knowing that no country is willing to accomodate an entire palestine exode)

When it comes to muslims, you take Bin Landen with his quranic quotations (which I already told you are'nt valid for oppression or terrorism), but when it comes to extremist monks who brand buddhism, you say these are individualistic acts that has nothing to do with buddhism. Well, I'm telling you the same thing for Islam. If there's no selfdefence in buddhism, in Islam there is, because Islam is a complete religion which deals with every aspect of your life .

Let me be very honest with you, I'm really not good at this history about Isreal and Palestine.. I wasn't talking about what Palestine or Israel do! Here we are having a discussion about religions, not politics... all this defend nations, kill the terrorists, take the lands are actually politically motivated issues... countries, nationals, terrorists all these are things that human made by themselves!

I was talking from the religious perspective, which you seems to have tangled up with politics... actually I don't blame you that you got tangled in it, because it is bound to happen, since Islam already mixed it up nicely for you!

Religions are suppose to guide human to good behavior, Like Buddhism for example teaches you yo free yourself from materialistic life that bind you to this world, those will only bring you grief at the end of the day NO MATTER HOW YOU TRY TO EXCUSE IT... and one of those is HATRED, if you keep it then there's no other consequence than grief..

Example:

Hamas saw the seeds of hatred in Palestine against Isreal why? out of grief for something.. be it lost lives, lost land.. hate grows and ultimately end up in taking lives, then maybe Hamas happy taking revenge.. but for how long? this is small cycle of example, but can you imagine the whole world are glued to cycle day and night... this is what Lord Buddha said... BREAKAWAY from it, look at the BIGGER PICTURE!!

If you let violence to happen for whatever reason you are jumping right back into it, Jesus said "Do not resist him that is wicked; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him", these are amazing thoughts from amazing people, think about it... how great the mind of such people whom CARE ABOUT OTHER'S LIFE BE IT EVEN YOUR ENEMY'S, THAN YOURS!!!

Now compare that to a god who says "They hit - You hit" Now that my friend is FUNDAMENTAL difference between Islam and other religions!

Bin Laden once again, as if he was the prophet of Islam. The pitiest is your poorself, who tries to understand Islam through Bin Laden.

What I'm saying is.. the reason he is successful today is none other than the Q'ran

There's no Drama and nothings strange. Allah does what He wants, when He wants and how He wants, so be aware.

Later he might cancel the Judgment day too.. there's is that possibility too then.. be aware!!!

Because Allah judged the humans needed both, that's all.next question

Very easy isn't it... when you have absolutely no idea of something the void is automatically filled by saying "Allah knows best!!" HAHAHA!! People like God concepts I must admit because its easier to just outsource what you have no idea of!!

So Allah couldn't really create one that does both tasks I guess!

Once again ,you read only half of what I post. I said 6000years of preparation before humans were introduced to earth for the first time.

Needed 6000 years of preparations for such a mighty GOD??

Yes, the worldy life is ephemeral. The muslims who died out of injustice, oppression,state terrorism supported by people like you, will (insha Allah) go to Heaven, as He has promised, as well as those who were martryed fighting oppressors. Don't worry for them. Their souls are ever living . So we don't cry for them. But as long as we're still alive, we'll fight for JUSTICE, as it's enjoyened on us as muslims.

Alas no one knows he (Allah) is really keeping his promises! Its not like people can rise from dead!

If you say this worldly life is a trail for people to show thier devotion and devote thier whole life to nothing but believe in Allah... why all this Holy Wars a.k.a self defense and fight for justice? would'nt it be better off for people to just use that time to devote to Allah too? why didn't Allah think of it?

Also I would like to know.... Why Allah expect people to devote him in the first place? He created everything and now he is expecting them to worship him? what's the point? Is there anything that Allah get from our devotion towards him that he purposely created a universe and humans to worship him?

I see it with my spirituality (baseera)

See with your mind for a change its whole different world out there...

Keep on laughing ridiculously like this till your time is expired .

My time, your time, everybody's time will expire someday!

But its OK I'll be happy with lot of good people in HELL on judgment day, and man that'll be the day I pity on Allah looking at all those people whom not deserved to be in HELL!!

If that's all what your intelligence could grasp, let it be so

I'm a small man... you should ask this questions from the GOD why his law wasn't perfect!!!

 

[freon]

Let me be very honest with you, I'm really not good at this history about Isreal and Palestine.. I wasn't talking about what Palestine or Israel do! Here we are having a discussion about religions, not politics... all this defend nations, kill the terrorists, take the lands are actually politically motivated issues... countries, nationals, terrorists all these are things that human made by themselves!

I was talking from the religious perspective, which you seems to have tangled up with politics... actually I don't blame you that you got tangled in it, because it is bound to happen, since Islam already mixed it up nicely for you!

Religions are suppose to guide human to good behavior, Like Buddhism for example teaches you yo free yourself from materialistic life that bind you to this world, those will only bring you grief at the end of the day NO MATTER HOW YOU TRY TO EXCUSE IT... and one of those is HATRED, if you keep it then there's no other consequence than grief..

Example:

Hamas saw the seeds of hatred in Palestine against Isreal why? out of grief for something.. be it lost lives, lost land.. hate grows and ultimately end up in taking lives, then maybe Hamas happy taking revenge.. but for how long? this is small cycle of example, but can you imagine the whole world are glued to cycle day and night... this is what Lord Buddha said... BREAKAWAY from it, look at the BIGGER PICTURE!!

If you let violence to happen for whatever reason you are jumping right back into it, Jesus said "Do not resist him that is wicked; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him", these are amazing thoughts from amazing people, think about it... how great the mind of such people whom CARE ABOUT OTHER'S LIFE BE IT EVEN YOUR ENEMY'S, THAN YOURS!!!

Now compare that to a god who says "They hit - You hit" Now that my friend is FUNDAMENTAL difference between Islam and other religions!

the fact is all this "CARE ABOUT OTHER'S LIFE BE IT EVEN YOUR ENEMY'S, THAN YOURS!!!" are just words you cannot put them into practice thats the fundamental different.

ex: how many wars internal and external sri lanka has faced since budda preached those words? crusaders with bearing of the cross killed 1000 of innocent people, what happened for cheek for cheek? btw, what actually jesus (peace be upon him) has been changed now so no proof he told that.

these are amazing thoughts from amazing people, think about it...

err, jesus did believe in god and he was a messenger..

What I'm saying is.. the reason he is successful today is none other than the Q'ran

wrong, his successful cos his fighting against world power, all hate america for its policy towards others but no one talks, bin laden does, thus he has become a hero with followers.

Later he might cancel the Judgment day too.. there's is that possibility too then.. be aware!!!


Very easy isn't it... when you have absolutely no idea of something the void is automatically filled by saying "Allah knows best!!" HAHAHA!! People like God concepts I must admit because its easier to just outsource what you have no idea of!!

So Allah couldn't really create one that does both tasks I guess!

you want to show you are smart and wont just blindly believe, but ready to swollow in whole what just a human being said 2500 back.

any proof "niravana" exists?

any idea what bad you did to be born again as a human and suffer again? if you are given a punishment you should know whats the reason right..

and regarding this..

Hamas saw the seeds of hatred in Palestine against Isreal why? out of grief for something.. be it lost lives, lost land.. hate grows and ultimately end up in taking lives, then maybe Hamas happy taking revenge.. but for how long? this is small cycle of example, but can you imagine the whole world are glued to cycle day and night... this is what Lord Buddha said... BREAKAWAY from it, look at the BIGGER PICTURE!!

• do you think breaking away from the cycle is practical?

• do you think just a normal person like you can follow it?

• can you stop the growing hatred, and look at the big picture?

if so why you engaging in this circle of questioning others beliefs, and making the hatred grow?

• i woder if budda was here now and gave an advice on this what would it be, in your understanding of buddism?

ps: im not at all asking you to stop posting, actually it keeps our threads very much active which is good.

 

[madurax86]

People who run arguments in EK are not getting their facts straight that should be told firstly. Secondly Buddhism has nothing to do with faith even though it is practiced as a religion its a philosophy so dont compare religions with it, but I'll answer your questions because you know..

the fact is all this "CARE ABOUT OTHER'S LIFE BE IT EVEN YOUR ENEMY'S, THAN YOURS!!!" are just words you cannot put them into practice thats the fundamental different.

ex: how many wars internal and external sri lanka has faced since budda preached those words? crusaders with bearing of the cross killed 1000 of innocent people, what happened for cheek for cheek? btw, what actually jesus (peace be upon him) has been changed now so no proof he told that.

Helloo, this is not promised land dude attacks come and we need to defend ourselves, what do you expect from a 2000 year old human race? it has evolved thru no wars? duh wars are everywhere. Dont think that because we are buddhists we dont fight aite thats the dumbest conclusion someone can get into we certainly dont attack but defensive measures have been taken at everytime an attack came and it'll be the same, sinhala(race) and Buddhism are 2 things...sinhala people got the Dhamma at the right time and preserved it as they understood it is valuable. Sinhala is a race if an attack is raised on to it, it'll fight back its nature every race does that the deference is that we dont attack -peace loving fellows neh.

Innocent people get killed in crossfires no big deal first thing they might think of doing is "GETTING OUT" of the conflict zone. The enemies were faced here earlier werent brutal and filthy like prabakaran. It is said that King Dutugamunu even respected king Elara as a real fighter .. this new guy isnt brave as much

err, jesus did believe in god and he was a messenger..

uhh we are talking about a person[mercy me] who let himself be killed and he arose from the dead, why? he would made alot of things easier just by getting out of the romans' way. Its logical if he did that bible would get smaller printing charges get lower=more bibles=more people who know about Christianity well why didnt that god see this?

wrong, his successful cos his fighting against world power, all hate america for its policy towards others but no one talks, bin laden does, thus he has become a hero with followers.

Im no friend of Bin Ladens but I too hate the way that America looks and works with the rest of the world its like they own it...they got their share at vietnam and i say they'd take their share in afganistan too casualties have sky rocketed

you want to show you are smart and wont just blindly believe, but ready to swollow in whole what just a human being said 2500 back.

at least we know its whole

any proof "niravana" exists?

As buddhists we believe something if it has a reason, if you want more info on reasoning read it without just bragging here. It is known that living being under go a process of rebirth or migration to a new host after dead(proof for this is all around the world if you dont believe it just DONT its ur decision) It is proven, for simple cases that suffering starts with greed and passion thus the reason for living and suffering is the willingness to live(the love for life) ..is that hard to understand? something happens because you want to do it not because some god wants you to do it. Buddha explained the way to end the greed passion for life very few people actually follow the path to nirvana nowadays because they think that this life is good and comfortable no need of getting out of this, their minds are flooded with passion. Of the few who practice it they get into post nirvana levels that will allow them to develop their minds for nirvana on the lives to come ....so its no big deal that you dont see anyone who has attained nirvana now if you know about "lowapahapaya" it had no stairs or any method that would lift people up to 7 or 11 floors up(not sure about the count) so that we can understand that they had "Irdi" so thats it theres your proof of the closest people who attained nirvana. Go surf the net man there are lots of proof. It stays not open for all humans but it doesnt mean that its not true
there is another reason for me to believe it as the truth without any support from those things mentioned above, NO Scientific or be it anything that is logical or mathematical from the west or from the east has never proven Buddhism wrong till now;(please dont quote things from muslim sites giving incorrect data about Buddhism, quote from scientific institutes that have no religious back ground if u want to quote one guy in EK came arguing with those things earlier and i dont LIKE THAT) So its a simple way of induction that leads me to logically understand and come to my own decisions as i can understand to the extent that i can thats all

any idea what bad you did to be born again as a human and suffer again? if you are given a punishment you should know whats the reason right..

Actually to be born as a human and to understand the cycle he might have done some good karma ;P let alone the suffering, GO SEARCH THE web for reincarnation and bla bla u'd find 1000s of cases man its your decision whether you believe or not but it is TRUE

and regarding this..

• do you think breaking away from the cycle is practical?

• 
  Yes, and more than one has done it
  

  [*]do you think just a normal person like you can follow it?

• 
  with the right guts
  

  [*]can you stop the growing hatred, and look at the big picture?

if so why you engaging in this circle of questioning others beliefs, and making the hatred grow?

• 
  I didnt question on this thread or in any other thread meaning to hurt them i just got my information correct by asking and thats why now im in conclusions like "Jews are killers", "hitler had a reason" and such
  

  [*]i woder if budda was here now and gave an advice on this what would it be, in your understanding of buddism?

ps: im not at all asking you to stop posting, actually it keeps our threads very much active which is good.

Sri_lion will give an answer to this

 

[ChuttaFX]

any proof "niravana" exists?

I think u don't know even the meaning of this word. "nirvana" means stop feeling sad forever. And if we don't born again we don't feel sad.

Main concept of Buddhism is,
"Every effect has a cause, If there is no cause, there is no effect"
"Feeling sad is a effect, So it has a cause"
"If we can remove this cause, there wouldn't be a effect of feeling sad"

So Buddha found a way to stop feeling sad by removing its main cause. It's a discovery of him. If u wanna proof, Test the way what he found. Then u will stop feeling sad.

any idea what bad you did to be born again as a human and suffer again? if you are given a punishment you should know whats the reason right..

It's too much bad. That's why we r gonna stop this in Buddha's way. We are not given a punishment. There is no one to punish or help us. Only a guide.

• do you think breaking away from the cycle is practical?

• do you think just a normal person like you can follow it?

• can you stop the growing hatred, and look at the big picture?

if so why you engaging in this circle of questioning others beliefs, and making the hatred grow?

This is practical. Normal person can do this. But he must be a wise person. Then we can follow the Buddha's way to break this cycle. Then we never feel sad.

• i woder if budda was here now and gave an advice on this what would it be, in your understanding of buddism?

When Buddhism is gone from this world, a very wise person finds the truth of this world and the way to break this cycle. He is the one called Buddha. Anyone can be a Buddha (but it's not easy) So I hope one day u can meet a Buddha and ask this question from him if u want to.

 

[freon]

hi madura.x86,

first i respect your belife and in no way intended harm to it. the questions and answers where based on sri_lions points.

just as we muslims respect others beliefs we wont let our beliefs be given a bad image as well.

• i agree a nation should defend itself and thats the stand of my beliefe, i still insist that if anyone says just let it go and dont get engaged in so called "worldly matters" its just simply not practical. histry proves it.
• jesus (peace be upon him) was quated as a great person who was a positive example by sri_lion, i said even he firmy believed in god and asked others to belive as well (but since what jesus preached then has been changed now, i'm not gona talk about chrsitianity)
• nirwana - the purpose of questioning it was, to make a point whatever you believe you cannot prove 100% its based on reason based conclutions ie: nirvana, day of judgment,after life etc.
• as per his statement "hamas greed generates more cycles violance" and "solution is" stop the cycle. i asked him can he do that here and show us practically. cos trying to find fault in others beliefs keeps the cycle, and according to the "BIG PICTURE" he says has no use to no one.cant he show what he's talking is practical to others before giving it as a solution to others?

ps: theres a good pdf book by henry ford called "THE INTERNATIONAL JEW,THE WORLD'S FOREMOST PROBLEM"
if you interested : http://www.americannaziparty.com/about/InternationalJew.pdf

 

[ChuttaFX]

just as we muslims respect others beliefs we wont let our beliefs be given a bad image as well.

just as Buddhists we also respect other beliefs but we can't accept anything impossible.

nirwana - the purpose of questioning it was, to make a point whatever you believe you cannot prove 100% its based on reason based conclutions ie: nirvana, day of judgment,after life etc.

Nirwana can be 100% proved. Test it. I'm 100% sure it's working. An there are many ppl who has broken the sansara-cycle in these days. They don't feel sad and they haven't a rebirth after their death.

 

[Juziers]

Let me be very honest with you, I'm really not good at this history about Isreal and Palestine.. I wasn't talking about what Palestine or Israel do! Here we are having a discussion about religions, not politics... all this defend nations, kill the terrorists, take the lands are actually politically motivated issues... countries, nationals, terrorists all these are things that human made by themselves!

I was talking from the religious perspective, which you seems to have tangled up with politics... actually I don't blame you that you got tangled in it, because it is bound to happen, since Islam already mixed it up nicely for you!

Islam didn't mix up. You did. When I talk purely about religion, you talk about Bin Laden ,Palestine, Hamas etc. So when I started talking politics, you say you were talking religion. So what exactly do you want? Well, as I told you, Islam is a complete way of life, so you get politics related matters, social matters,family matters, economics etc etc. As for buddhism, you get only a spiritual side with a complete separation from materialistic life. As for Islam, it shows you how to use material (provided by Allah), in a sense of mutual benefit for humanity while prohibiting being materialistic. So Yes to material and No to being materialistic. So talking politics is not completely material, specialy when we're talking of a human crisis, which is directly related to your spiritual responsiveness.

Religions are suppose to guide human to good behavior, Like Buddhism for example teaches you yo free yourself from materialistic life that bind you to this world, those will only bring you grief at the end of the day NO MATTER HOW YOU TRY TO EXCUSE IT... and one of those is HATRED, if you keep it then there's no other consequence than grief..

Example:

Hamas saw the seeds of hatred in Palestine against Isreal why? out of grief for something.. be it lost lives, lost land.. hate grows and ultimately end up in taking lives, then maybe Hamas happy taking revenge.. but for how long? this is small cycle of example, but can you imagine the whole world are glued to cycle day and night... this is what Lord Buddha said... BREAKAWAY from it, look at the BIGGER PICTURE!!

These issues are life related ones. So you can't 'break away' from them. As muslims, we don't 'break away' from problems. WE SOLVE THEM. Breaking away and going to the jungle to attain nirvana alone is not our system.

If you let violence to happen for whatever reason you are jumping right back into it, Jesus said "Do not resist him that is wicked; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him", these are amazing thoughts from amazing people, think about it... how great the mind of such people whom CARE ABOUT OTHER'S LIFE BE IT EVEN YOUR ENEMY'S, THAN YOURS!!!

I repeat, we respect enemies when they are no longer enemies. When we're under fire, we defend. Right cheek left cheek matter already tried, didn't work.

Now compare that to a god who says "They hit - You hit" Now that my friend is FUNDAMENTAL difference between Islam and other religions!

Let it be so !!

What I'm saying is.. the reason he is successful today is none other than the Q'ran

He is successful because the western media successfully neutralized your intellectual capacities.

Later he might cancel the Judgment day too.. there's is that possibility too then.. be aware!!!

Promise of Allah will be fulfilled

Quran :14:48 [His promise will be fulfilled] on the Day when the earth shall be changed into another earth, as shall be the heavensAsad(14,63) and when [all men] shall appear before God, the One who holds absolute sway over all that exists.

Very easy isn't it... when you have absolutely no idea of something the void is automatically filled by saying "Allah knows best!!" HAHAHA!! People like God concepts I must admit because its easier to just outsource what you have no idea of!!

When we say 'Allah knows best', it's not void, it's full of sense.

So Allah couldn't really create one that does both tasks I guess!

He creates whatever He wants, however He wants.

Needed 6000 years of preparations for such a mighty GOD??

He creates however He wishes

Alas no one knows he (Allah) is really keeping his promises! Its not like people can rise from dead!

Allah's promise , quoted above

If you say this worldly life is a trail for people to show thier devotion and devote thier whole life to nothing but believe in Allah... why all this Holy Wars a.k.a self defense and fight for justice? would'nt it be better off for people to just use that time to devote to Allah too? why didn't Allah think of it?

Also I would like to know.... Why Allah expect people to devote him in the first place? He created everything and now he is expecting them to worship him? what's the point? Is there anything that Allah get from our devotion towards him that he purposely created a universe and humans to worship him?

We worship Allah, firstly through pleasure, inorder to show Him gratitude, for without His will, our poor souls won't exist.

See with your mind for a change its whole different world out there...

It depends how you look at it

My time, your time, everybody's time will expire someday!

That's for sure

But its OK I'll be happy with lot of good people in HELL on judgment day, and man that'll be the day I pity on Allah looking at all those people whom not deserved to be in HELL!!

I'm a small man... you should ask this questions from the GOD why his law wasn't perfect!!!

You'll bite your tongue someday for these words.

 

[sri_lion]

the fact is all this "CARE ABOUT OTHER'S LIFE BE IT EVEN YOUR ENEMY'S, THAN YOURS!!!" are just words you cannot put them into practice thats the fundamental different.

Have you never ever heard any human in this world sacrifice him/her life for other's sake to come to conclusion that it is not practical?

Here's an example, this is nothing but love for others above yourself!

Buddhism is not about what majority do unless its the right thing to do!

ex: how many wars internal and external sri lanka has faced since budda preached those words? crusaders with bearing of the cross killed 1000 of innocent people, what happened for cheek for cheek? btw, what actually jesus (peace be upon him) has been changed now so no proof he told that. [/B]

Yes! correct if you look through Buddhism these are to be condemned too, and don't forget that when Buddhism was at its peak in India many cold blooded killers came into the right path and became remembered as legends.. like King Ashoka for an instance, though India is a hindu country thier greatest King was a Buddhist!

So you are trying to measure out Buddhism, through internal and external conflicts of Sri Lanka is totally the wrong method, it is not the fault of the religion that it is not practiced by people properly.. because there are no loopholes or glitches there to exploit!

This is also because Buddhism does not enforce you follow it and tell you that you are answerable to some unseen god whom will punish you thus grow fear in you to get you glued into that faith!

err, jesus did believe in god and he was a messenger..

Err.. is it.. when Allah said self defense, Jesus say be humble.. this is why we say.. flaws in the creation = flaws in the creator!!

wrong, his successful cos his fighting against world power, all hate america for its policy towards others but no one talks, bin laden does, thus he has become a hero with followers.

Just because he talks against US whatever he does becomes right?

Majority of the Muslims accept and supportive of him because Muslims see US as an enemy of Islam or so does Bin Laden has pictured it for them, and then comes the verse of self defense and Bin Laden is smartly bring it into play!!

The verse exploited!!!

you want to show you are smart and wont just blindly believe, but ready to swollow in whole what just a human being said 2500 back.

any proof "niravana" exists?

Do I have any proof of Nirvana? HAHA NO I DONT, because my state of mind is nowhere near archiving Nirvana, if one day I behave as a true Buddhist and devote my life to Buddhism I may be clear on how to achieve it.. Long way to go!

any idea what bad you did to be born again as a human and suffer again? if you are given a punishment you should know whats the reason right..

Good question, at the right time too.... Juziers and me we were discussing about it just a couple of posts back when I asked about the Tsunami he said Allah has punished all those people for what they've done including infants who knew nothing about it.... So are you ready to ask the same question from Islam too? Those people did not know what they were punished for!

and regarding this..

• do you think breaking away from the cycle is practical?

• do you think just a normal person like you can follow it?

• can you stop the growing hatred, and look at the big picture?

Mahathma Gandhi did it!

if so why you engaging in this circle of questioning others beliefs, and making the hatred grow?

If anyone hate me there's nothing I can do about it... because I cannot control that for you now can I? The only thing that I can do is to control mine.. I don't hate you, we are just discussing!!

i woder if budda was here now and gave an advice on this what would it be, in your understanding of buddism?

Well he did.. long long time ago! Lord Buddha knew this is bound to happen, this is why in his death bed he said to all the monks "when I'm gone make Dhamma as your leader", and if Lord Buddha could speak today he'd say the same thing!