The Real Story of How Israel Was Created

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    [SIZE=-1]A Right Derived From Might
    The Real Story of How Israel Was Created

    by ALISON WEIR
    To better understand the Palestinian bid for membership in the United Nations, it is important to understand the original 1947 UN action on Israel-Palestine.
    The common representation of Israel’s birth is that the UN created Israel, that the world was in favor of this move, and that the US governmental establishment supported it. All these assumptions are demonstrably incorrect.
    In reality, while the UN General Assembly recommended the creation of a Jewish state in part of Palestine, that recommendation was non-binding and never implemented by the Security Council.
    Second, the General Assembly passed that recommendation only after Israel proponents threatened and bribed numerous countries in order to gain a required two-thirds of votes.
    Third, the US administration supported the recommendation out of domestic electoral considerations, and took this position over the strenuous objections of the State Department, the CIA, and the Pentagon.
    The passage of the General Assembly recommendation sparked increased violence in the region. Over the following months the armed wing of the pro-Israel movement, which had long been preparing for war, perpetrated a series of massacres and expulsions throughout Palestine, implementing a plan to clear the way for a majority-Jewish state.
    It was this armed aggression, and the ethnic cleansing of at least three-quarters of a million indigenous Palestinians, that created the Jewish state on land that had been 95 per cent non-Jewish prior to Zionist immigration and that even after years of immigration remained 70 per cent non-Jewish. And despite the shallow patina of legality its partisans extracted from the General Assembly, Israel was born over the opposition of American experts and of governments around the world, who opposed it on both pragmatic and moral grounds.
    Let us look at the specifics.
    Background of the UN partition recommendation
    In 1947 the UN took up the question of Palestine, a territory that was then administered by the British.
    Approximately 50 years before, a movement called political Zionism had begun in Europe. Its intention was to create a Jewish state in Palestine through pushing out the Christian and Muslim inhabitants who made up over 95 per cent of its population and replacing them with Jewish immigrants.
    As this colonial project grew through subsequent years, the indigenous Palestinians reacted with occasional bouts of violence; Zionists had anticipated this since people usually resist being expelled from their land. In various written documents cited by numerous Palestinian and Israeli historians, they discussed their strategy: they would buy up the land until all the previous inhabitants had emigrated, or, failing this, use violence to force them out.
    When the buy-out effort was able to obtain only a few per cent of the land, Zionists created a number of terrorist groups to fight against both the Palestinians and the British. Terrorist and future Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin later bragged that Zionists had brought terrorism both to the Middle East and to the world at large.
    Finally, in 1947 the British announced that they would be ending their control of Palestine, which had been created through the League of Nations following World War One, and turned the question of Palestine over to the United Nations.
    At this time, the Zionist immigration and buyout project had increased the Jewish population of Palestine to 30 per cent and land ownership from 1 per cent to approximately 6 per cent.
    Since a founding principle of the UN was “self-determination of peoples,” one would have expected to the UN to support fair, democratic elections in which inhabitants could create their own independent country.
    Instead, Zionists pushed for a General Assembly resolution in which they would be given a disproportionate 55 per cent of Palestine. (While they rarely announced this publicly, their stated plan was to later take the rest of Palestine.)
    U.S. Officials Oppose Partition Plan
    The U.S. State Department opposed this partition plan strenuously, considering Zionism contrary to both fundamental American principles and US interests.
    Author Donald Neff reports that Loy Henderson, Director of the State Department’s Office of Near Eastern and African Affairs, wrote a memo to the Secretary of State warning:
    “….support by the Government of the United States of a policy favoring the setting up of a Jewish State in Palestine would be contrary to the wishes of a large majority of the local inhabitants with respect to their form of government. Furthermore, it would have a strongly adverse effect upon American interests throughout the Near and Middle East…”
    Henderson went on to emphasize:
    “At the present time the United States has a moral prestige in the Near and Middle East unequaled by that of any other great power. We would lose that prestige and would be likely for many years to be considered as a betrayer of the high principles which we ourselves have enunciated during the period of the war.”
    When Zionists began pushing for a partition plan through the UN, Henderson recommended strongly against supporting their proposal. He warned that such a partition would have to be implemented by force and emphasized that it was “not based on any principle.” He went on to write:
    “…[partition] would guarantee that the Palestine problem would be permanent and still more complicated in the future…”
    Henderson went on to emphasize:
    ….[proposals for partition] are in definite contravention to various principles laid down in the [UN] Charter as well as to principles on which American concepts of Government are based. These proposals, for instance, ignore such principles as self-determination and majority rule. They recognize the principle of a theocratic racial state and even go so far in several instances as to discriminate on grounds of religion and race…”
    Henderson was far from alone in making his recommendations. He wrote that his views were not only those of the entire Near East Division but were shared by “nearly every member of the Foreign Service or of the Department who has worked to any appreciable extent on Near Eastern problems.”
    Henderson wasn’t exaggerating. Official after official and agency after agency opposed Zionism.
    In 1947 the CIA reported that Zionist leadership was pursuing objectives that would endanger both Jews and “the strategic interests of the Western powers in the Near and Middle East.”
    Truman Accedes to Pro-Israel Lobby
    President Harry Truman, however, ignored this advice. Truman’s political advisor, Clark Clifford, believed that the Jewish vote and contributions were essential to winning the upcoming presidential election, and that supporting the partition plan would garner that support. (Truman’s opponent, Dewey, took similar stands for similar reasons.)
    Truman’s Secretary of State George Marshall, the renowned World War II General and author of the Marshall Plan, was furious to see electoral considerations taking precedence over policies based on national interest. He condemned what he called a “transparent dodge to win a few votes,” which would cause “[t]he great dignity of the office of President [to be] seriously diminished.”
    Marshall wrote that the counsel offered by Clifford “was based on domestic political considerations, while the problem which confronted us was international. I said bluntly that if the President were to follow Mr. Clifford’s advice and if in the elections I were to vote, I would vote against the President…”
    Henry F. Grady, who has been called “America’s top diplomatic soldier for a critical period of the Cold War,” headed a 1946 commission aimed at coming up with a solution for Palestine. Grady later wrote about the Zionist lobby and its damaging effect on US national interests.
    Grady argued that without Zionist pressure, the U.S. would not have had “the ill-will with the Arab states, which are of such strategic importance in our ‘cold war’ with the soviets.” He also described the decisive power of the lobby:
    “I have had a good deal of experience with lobbies but this group started where those of my experience had ended….. I have headed a number of government missions but in no other have I ever experienced so much disloyalty”…… “in the United States, since there is no political force to counterbalance Zionism, its campaigns are apt to be decisive.”
    Former Undersecretary of State Dean Acheson also opposed Zionism. Acheson’s biographer writes that Acheson “worried that the West would pay a high price for Israel.” Another Author, John Mulhall, records Acheson’s warning:
    “…to transform [Palestine] into a Jewish State capable of receiving a million or more immigrants would vastly exacerbate the political problem and imperil not only American but all Western interests in the Near East.”
    Secretary of Defense James Forrestal also tried, unsuccessfully, to oppose the Zionists. He was outraged that Truman’s Mideast policy was based on what he called “squalid political purposes,” asserting that “United States policy should be based on United States national interests and not on domestic political considerations.”
    Forrestal represented the general Pentagon view when he said that “no group in this country should be permitted to influence our policy to the point where it could endanger our national security.”
    A report by the National Security Council warned that the Palestine turmoil was acutely endangering the security of the United States. A CIA report stressed the strategic importance of the Middle East and its oil resources.
    Similarly, George F. Kennan, the State Department’s Director of Policy Planning, issued a top-secret document on January 19, 1947 that outlined the enormous damage done to the US by the partition plan (“Report by the Policy Planning Staff on Position of the United States with Respect to Palestine”).
    Kennan cautioned that “important U.S. oil concessions and air base rights” could be lost through US support for partition and warned that the USSR stood to gain by the partition plan.
    Kermit Roosevelt, Teddy Roosevelt’s nephew and a legendary intelligence agent, was another who was deeply disturbed by events, noting:
    “The process by which Zionist Jews have been able to promote American support for the partition of Palestine demonstrates the vital need of a foreign policy based on national rather than partisan interests… Only when the national interests of the United States, in their highest terms, take precedence over all other considerations, can a logical, farseeing foreign policy be evolved. No American political leader has the right to compromise American interests to gain partisan votes…”
    He went on:
    “The present course of world crisis will increasingly force upon Americans the realization that their national interests and those of the proposed Jewish state in Palestine are going to conflict. It is to be hoped that American Zionists and non-Zionists alike will come to grips with the realities of the problem.”
    The head of the State Department’s Division of Near Eastern Affairs, Gordon P. Merriam, warned against the partition plan on moral grounds:
    “U.S. support for partition of Palestine as a solution to that problem can be justified only on the basis of Arab and Jewish consent. Otherwise we should violate the principle of self-determination which has been written into the Atlantic Charter, the declaration of the United Nations, and the United Nations Charter–a principle that is deeply embedded in our foreign policy. Even a United Nations determination in favor of partition would be, in the absence of such consent, a stultification and violation of UN’s own charter.”
    Merriam added that without consent, “bloodshed and chaos” would follow, a tragically accurate prediction.
    An internal State Department memorandum accurately predicted how Israel would be born through armed aggression masked as defense:
    “…the Jews will be the actual aggressors against the Arabs. However, the Jews will claim that they are merely defending the boundaries of a state which were traced by the UN…In the event of such Arab outside aid the Jews will come running to the Security Council with the claim that their state is the object of armed aggression and will use every means to obscure the fact that it is their own armed aggression against the Arabs inside which is the cause of Arab counter-attack.”
    And American Vice Consul William J. Porter foresaw another outcome of the partition plan: that no Arab State would actually ever come to be in Palestine.
    Pro-Israel Pressure on General Assembly Members
    When it was clear that the Partition recommendation did not have the required two-thirds of the UN General Assembly to pass, Zionists pushed through a delay in the vote. They then used this period to pressure numerous nations into voting for the recommendation. A number of people later described this campaign.
    Robert Nathan, a Zionist who had worked for the US government and who was particularly active in the Jewish Agency, wrote afterward, “We used any tools at hand,” such as telling certain delegations that the Zionists would use their influence to block economic aid to any countries that did not vote the right way.
    Another Zionist proudly stated:
    “Every clue was meticulously checked and pursued. Not the smallest or the remotest of nations, but was contacted and wooed. Nothing was left to chance.”
    Financier and longtime presidential advisor Bernard Baruch told France it would lose U.S. aid if it voted against partition. Top White House executive assistant David Niles organized pressure on Liberia; rubber magnate Harvey Firestone pressured Liberia.
    Latin American delegates were told that the Pan-American highway construction project would be more likely if they voted yes. Delegates’ wives received mink coats (the wife of the Cuban delegate returned hers); Costa Rica’s President Jose Figueres reportedly received a blank checkbook. Haiti was promised economic aid if it would change its original vote opposing partition.
    Longtime Zionist Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, along with ten senators and Truman domestic advisor Clark Clifford, threatened the Philippines (seven bills were pending on the Philippines in Congress).
    Before the vote on the plan, the Philippine delegate had given a passionate speech against partition, defending the inviolable “primordial rights of a people to determine their political future and to preserve the territorial integrity of their native land…”
    He went on to say that he could not believe that the General Assembly would sanction a move that would place the world “back on the road to the dangerous principles of racial exclusiveness and to the archaic documents of theocratic governments.”
    Twenty-four hours later, after intense Zionist pressure, the delegate voted in favor of partition.
    The U.S. delegation to the U.N. was so outraged when Truman insisted that they support partition that the State Department director of U.N. Affairs was sent to New York to prevent the delegates from resigning en masse.
    On Nov 29, 1947 the partition resolution, 181, passed. While this resolution is frequently cited, it was of limited (if any) legal impact. General Assembly resolutions, unlike Security Council resolutions, are not binding on member states. For this reason, the resolution requested that “[t]he Security Council take the necessary measures as provided for in the plan for its implementation,” which the Security Council never did. Legally, the General Assembly Resolution was a “recommendation” and did not create any states.
    What it did do, however, was increase the fighting in Palestine. Within months (and before Israel dates the beginning of its founding war) the Zionists had forced out 413,794 people. Zionist military units had stealthily been preparing for war before the UN vote and had acquired massive weaponry, some of it through a widespread network of illicit gunrunning operations in the US under a number of front groups.
    The UN eventually managed to create a temporary and very partial ceasefire. A Swedish UN mediator who had previously rescued thousands of Jews from the Nazis was dispatched to negotiate an end to the violence. Israeli assassins killed him and Israel continued what it was to call its “war of independence.”
    At the end of this war, through a larger military force than that of its adversaries and the ruthless implementation of plans to push out as many non-Jews as possible, Israel came into existence on 78 per cent of Palestine.
    At least 33 massacres of Palestinian civilians were perpetrated, half of them before a single Arab army had entered the conflict, hundreds of villages were depopulated and razed, and a team of cartographers was sent out to give every town, village, river, and hillock a new, Hebrew name. All vestiges of Palestinian habitation, history, and culture were to be erased from history, an effort that almost succeeded.
    Israel, which claims to be the “only democracy in the Middle East,’ decided not to declare official borders or to write a constitution, a situation which continues to this day. In 1967 it took still more Palestinian and Syrian land, which is now illegally occupied territory, since the annexation of land through military conquest is outlawed by modern international law. It has continued this campaign of growth through armed acquisition and illegal confiscation of land ever since.
    Individual Israelis, like Palestinians and all people, are legally and morally entitled to an array of human rights.
    On the other hand, the state of Israel’s vaunted “right to exist” is based on an alleged “right” derived from might, an outmoded concept that international legal conventions do not recognize, and in fact specifically prohibit.

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    Israel days are numbered.

    Delcine of America . Has forced Israel to rethink its policy. Turkey and Egypt has growing power over there. Israel will eventually be non existence. Lebanon war has shown how Israel was defeated. Israel told America that if the Egypt was winning the war but it had nuclear and will use it. Then only Egypt yielded to peace. Europe is against the Israel only American backing is there. Even Russia hates Israel.
    You know what they did to Sri Lanka . Mossad trained the SL Army to use boats and told LTTE how to blow them up. Because they want money. That why people do not trust Israel. They are playing double game.
     

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    Where did you get these information? What are the sources?

    Israel was not created by anyone but by jews. They fought and won it. UN recommended to partition palastine, but british hold on to it as long as they could. When they left in 1948 Israel declared independance themselves. Five Islamic countries(Eygypt,Jordan,Lebonno,Syria,Iraq) declared war and invaded israel very next day. But all of them lost to Israel army.

    Israeli's fought for their country and that is how they created it.

    There was jew presence in the lands surrounding Israel over 3000 years ago. Arabs(Muslims) came to the area only around 1500 years ago. If you are gonna bring the whole "Who has the rightful ownership to land argument" you are gonna loose.
     

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    treachery to Germany

    Germans won world war 1 . But Jews were its foreign ministers etc. They told British that they want Palestine if they sign defeat instead of ceasefire . That is what they got. The world war 2 military who were the jews from british military were in their ranks. Why do you think Hitler killed the Jews.

    Islam came from the time of Adam to till this day . hear the Jewish Rabbi speak. It is not 1500 year old .



     
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    Where did you get these information? What are the sources?

    Israel was not created by anyone but by jews. They fought and won it. UN recommended to partition palastine, but british hold on to it as long as they could. When they left in 1948 Israel declared independance themselves. Five Islamic countries(Eygypt,Jordan,Lebonno,Syria,Iraq) declared war and invaded israel very next day. But all of them lost to Israel army.

    Israeli's fought for their country and that is how they created it.

    There was jew presence in the lands surrounding Israel over 3000 years ago. Arabs(Muslims) came to the area only around 1500 years ago. If you are gonna bring the whole "Who has the rightful ownership to land argument" you are gonna loose.

    Thank you very much for your explaination

    God bless Israel ! :yes:
     

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    Ancientglory perhaps didn't understand what ibnanv told, problem is they lack knowledge in islamic history. Islam is there from the adam(pbuh) was created, Moses whom jews are praying falsely is muslims prophet who was sent to guide the people those who lived in jerusalam at that time..people who was wrongly following the moses, and not the God were defeated by muslims..so whoever was living and accepted the truth, still living there.

    if we accept with AG, islam came 1500 years ago then Muslims are not entitled to get any portion of the land in this world...tomorrow if christians come & fight for Saudi arabia, AG will justify that it Saudi too belong to Christians...:sorry:
     
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    Ancientglory perhaps didn't understand what ibnanv told, problem is they lack knowledge in islamic history. Islam is there from the adam(pbuh) was created, Moses whom jews are praying falsely is muslims prophet who was sent to guide the people those who lived in jerusalam at that time..people who was wrongly following the moses, and not the God were defeated by muslims..so whoever was living and accepted the truth, still living there.

    if we accept with AG, islam came 1500 years ago then Muslims are not entitled to get any portion of the land in this world...tomorrow if christians come & fight for Saudi arabia, AG will justify that it Saudi too belong to Christians...:sorry:

    Well my definition of Muslims are the people who decided to follow Prophet Muhammad and his teachings. Whatever definition you believe is not general but subjective to your religious view.

    However for the sake of argument let us assume you are right. Then fine, jews are also muslims so they have the right to the land surrounding Israel as well. So there's no problem of them claiming the land they have a right for.

    I'm not saying Muslims are not entitled to get any portion of the land. According to you jews are Muslims and so I agree that they are entitled to have a portion of land. And I also agree that palastine muslims also have a right to the land. Israel also agrees to this. This is why they have not annexed some of the lands that they won, defeating five Islamic nations. It is the Islamic extremists who believe they are the sole owners of the land and therefore Israel must be destroyed.
     

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    Ancientglory perhaps didn't understand what ibnanv told, problem is they lack knowledge in islamic history. Islam is there from the adam(pbuh) was created, Moses whom jews are praying falsely is muslims prophet who was sent to guide the people those who lived in jerusalam at that time..people who was wrongly following the moses, and not the God were defeated by muslims..so whoever was living and accepted the truth, still living there.

    if we accept with AG, islam came 1500 years ago then Muslims are not entitled to get any portion of the land in this world...tomorrow if christians come & fight for Saudi arabia, AG will justify that it Saudi too belong to Christians...:sorry:

    Brother I don't think Christian will come to Saudi Arabia rather we are waiting for Christ 2nd Coming (not Muslim Jesus) actually Israel is very special to Christianity, Israelites are God's chosen people

    But when Mahdi comes in the name of peace he will kill many Christians, he will make a peace treaty with Israel for 7 Years but half way he will broke (in a same way like Mohamed used to do) that peace treaty and surround their land with a huge army (2 Billion) then Son of Man will come down from the Heaven with all his glory
    So we will see who the real owners for that land are ok
     

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    Come on get a life

    Wishful thinking and hearsay . There is no truth behind it.
    What ever you think is not religion. You are so dumb
     

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    holy Quran verses

    Holy Quran - Ch:35 Sura Fatir

    10. Whosoever desires honour, power and glory then to Allah belong all honour, power and glory [and one can get honour, power and glory only by obeying and worshipping Allah (Alone)]. To Him ascend (all) the goodly words, and the righteous deeds exalt it (the goodly words i.e. the goodly words are not accepted by Allah unless and until they are followed by good deeds), but those who plot evils, theirs will be severe torment. And the plotting of such will perish.


    43. (They took to flight because of their) arrogance in the land and their plotting of evil. But the evil plot encompasses only him who makes it. Then, can they expect anything (else), but the Sunnah (way of dealing) of the peoples of old? So no change will you find in Allah's Sunnah (way of dealing), and no turning off will you find in Allah's Sunnah (way of dealing).

    44. Have they not travelled in the land, and seen what was the end of those before them, and they were superior to them in power? Allah is not such that anything in the heavens or in the earth escapes Him. Verily, He is All-Knowing, All-Omnipotent.

    45. And if Allah were to punish men for that which they earned, He would not leave a moving (living) creature on the surface of the earth, but He gives them respite to an appointed term, and when their term comes, then verily, Allah is Ever All-Seer of His slaves.

    Sura Al-'Asr
    [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
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    [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]By (the Token of) Time (through the ages), [/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Verily Man is in loss, [/FONT]​
    [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth, and of Patience and Constancy. [/FONT]
     

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    Brother I don't think Christian will come to Saudi Arabia rather we are waiting for Christ 2nd Coming (not Muslim Jesus) actually Israel is very special to Christianity, Israelites are God's chosen people

    But when Mahdi comes in the name of peace he will kill many Christians, he will make a peace treaty with Israel for 7 Years but half way he will broke (in a same way like Mohamed used to do) that peace treaty and surround their land with a huge army (2 Billion) then Son of Man will come down from the Heaven with all his glory
    So we will see who the real owners for that land are ok

    We will see :rolleyes:
     

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    Well my definition of Muslims are the people who decided to follow Prophet Muhammad and his teachings. Whatever definition you believe is not general but subjective to your religious view.


    Your definition is wrong and subjective to your view, right definition is muslims are the people who follow the prophet from adam, david,moses to Prophet mohammed.



    However for the sake of argument let us assume you are right. Then fine, jews are also muslims so they have the right to the land surrounding Israel as well. So there's no problem of them claiming the land they have a right for.

    AG, I know very well, this land is belong to both of them.When the Jews migrated to the Sinai Desert in Egypt after they fled the torture of Pharaoh, they lived there for 40 years and then migrated to what is called today Palestine. When the Jews reached Palestine, they met the local residents there, whom are called today the Palestinians. No Jew can deny this fact. Read Exodus 13:17 from the Jews' own Bible for more details, which proves that Palestine had people living in it before the Jews migrated to it.

    This Jewish argument is completely wrong and it is one of the main reasons why the conflict in Palestine is still occurring today. There are too many migrating Jews pouring into the tiny country, and the Israeli government is left with no other option but to build illegal settlements for them on Palestinian occupied territories.

    both muslims & jews can all live together in peace under one democratic nation. That nation can be called "The Nation of GOD" or anything similar to that since all three Jews, Christians and Muslims will live there. I don't have any problem with the naming of the nation, even it's called "The Nation of Israel", as long as every group of people becomes a national citizen of that State, and is treated with Equality and Justice.

    Not all Jews are Zionists. There are many peace-loving Jews out there. The Zionists from the Jews are racist and full of hatred and supremacy toward all people. Their belief is not Biblically supported today, even though they rely on Exodus 23:30-32 to support their nonsense:


    "Little by little I will drive them out before you, until you have increased enough to take possession of the land. "I will establish your borders from the Red Sea [1] to the Sea of the Philistines, [2] and from the desert to the River. [3] I will hand over to you the people who live in the land and you will drive them out before you. Do not make a covenant with them or with their gods. (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 23:30-32)"


    I'm not saying Muslims are not entitled to get any portion of the land. According to you jews are Muslims and so I agree that they are entitled to have a portion of land. And I also agree that palastine muslims also have a right to the land. Israel also agrees to this. This is why they have not annexed some of the lands that they won, defeating five Islamic nations. It is the Islamic extremists who believe they are the sole owners of the land and therefore Israel must be destroyed.

    I don't think purpose of not annexing some land is because of peace loving.sorry..don't get me wrong..

    anyway,my conclusion is we can definitely have peace in the Middle East. All we need is an open mind and heart from both the Palestinians and the Jews to make this happen. The Jews need to forget about migrating in millions to the land of Palestine and only allow the Middle Eastern Jews live there, and the Palestinians (Muslims and Christians) need to accept the existence of the Jews in Palestine
     

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    Brother I don't think Christian will come to Saudi Arabia rather we are waiting for Christ 2nd Coming (not Muslim Jesus) actually Israel is very special to Christianity, Israelites are God's chosen people

    As usual dont tell lies..difficult to digest your fictions. though i think not to reply u, I cant......Israelites are God chosen people? then what is this??


    "And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites(Jews), which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death? Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them. For I know that after my death ye will become utterly corrupt, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands. (Deuteronomy 31:25-29)"

    "How can you say, 'We [The Jews] are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

    "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 23:37)"



    But when Mahdi comes in the name of peace he will kill many Christians, he will make a peace treaty with Israel for 7 Years but half way he will broke (in a same way like Mohamed used to do) that peace treaty and surround their land with a huge army (2 Billion) then Son of Man will come down from the Heaven with all his glory
    So we will see who the real owners for that land are ok


    Don't lie again.where is the real proof.He is coming to protect the real God's believers from mischief and non belivers.if your son of man is your Jesus, then why not a war between mahdi's followers and Jesus (coz as per u they both are different in faith), there is no such things are expected. real things is Imam mahdi will come & make this earth as peaceful one, fighting with all the injustice and non believing people.subsequently after death of mahdi, Jesus (pbuh) will arrive in jerusalam and kill all Jews who waged war with muslims and believers. you guys will go saying oh! lord , oh! lord...he will chase you away saying who are u? who asked you to worship me...this is what is going to happen..ultimately u fiction believers will be loosers.
     

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    Don't lie again.where is the real proof.He is coming to protect the real God's believers from mischief and non belivers.if your son of man is your Jesus, then why not a war between mahdi's followers and Jesus (coz as per u they both are different in faith), there is no such things are expected. real things is Imam mahdi will come & make this earth as peaceful one, fighting with all the injustice and non believing people.subsequently after death of mahdi, Jesus (pbuh) will arrive in jerusalam and kill all Jews who waged war with muslims and believers. you guys will go saying oh! lord , oh! lord...he will chase you away saying who are u? who asked you to worship me...this is what is going to happen..ultimately u fiction believers will be loosers.



    Do you really think My Father will ever do that? I think you people would love to see that happen but I am not rejoy in that day if that happen to you

    You are the one who living in a big lie ,.... I know my God very well he came to show his true love but do you know Allah? your GOD, he spoke to you indirectly (Angel to Mohomed, Mohomed to You) and he does not want you to become his children all he wants is your worship but in our case all god needs is our love in return

    Madhi will come in the name of fake peace he will kill all non-b'liver not Jesus (may be fake Jesus will do that)

    Jesus (pbuh) will arrive in jerusalam and kill all Jews who waged war with muslims and believers.

    Jesus Christ ....!!!! my Lord is not a killer like Mohomed , my God does not need 2 revealations do not insult my Jesus . He is the token of LOVE

    You will have to answer Jesus (our God) about it in that great day brother
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    who asked you to worship me...this is what is going to happen..ultimately u fiction believers will be loosers.

    Like Allah Jesus did not beg human worship rather he showed us how to love your brother (our God is not just sitting in heaven he came to this world to bring Salvation )

    Your God is hidden , today you are speaking very hihg abt him you do not know him but I do know him because I know Jesus Christ (Son of God) I am not afraid brother I will ready to give my life for the truth

    First Satan try to stop spreading the good news he failed and then he brough semilar book to confuse people , most interesting thing is he accept Jesus but he reject the work he has done.

    වෙන කිසිදු ආගම් නාමිකව ක්‍රිස්තියානි අයව මරන්න කියලා කියන්නෙ නැ නමුත් අල්ලාගෙ පරම සතුරා ක්‍රිස්තියානි අය වෙලා

    අල්ලාගෙ දෙවන ලොකුම හිසරදය ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙගෙ ප්‍රකාශ සහ ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙගෙ ගැලවිමෙ මාර්ගය

    බයිබලයෙ ඉතා පැහැදිලිව අපිට කලින් ම කියලා තියෙන්වා තව මැසෙන්ජර්ලා එන්නෙ නැ අවසානයට එන්නෙ දෙවියන් වහන්සෙගෙ පුත්‍රයා කියලා , එ වගෙම අපට ඉස්ලාම් දහම එන්න කලින් කියලා තියෙන්වා (ඉස්ලම් පැමිනිමට වසර 1500 කට පෙර) අනුගාමිකයෙකු හො කොටින්න්ම කියනවා නම් දෙව දුතයෙකු හො වෙන ග්‍රන්තයක් ගෙනා වොත් එය පිලිගන්න එපා කියලා ....... හරි පුදුමයි නෙද?
     
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    On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake[a] in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

    6 On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. 7 It will be a unique day—a day known only to the LORD—with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light.

    8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.

    9 The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name.


    -Zechariah 14:4-9



    [I]“I myself will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and will bring them back to their pasture, where they will be fruitful and increase in number. 4 I will place shepherds over them who will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor will any be missing,” declares the LORD.
    5 “The days are coming,” declares the LORD,
    “when I will raise up for David[a] a righteous Branch,
    a King who will reign wisely
    and do what is just and right in the land.
    6 In his days Judah will be saved
    and Israel will live in safety.
    This is the name by which he will be called:
    The LORD Our Righteous Savior. [/I]

    Jeremiah 23

    but they will say, ‘As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the descendants of Israel up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.’ Then they will live in their own land.”

    Jeremiah understand from God that Isreal, which was scattered due to disobedience, would one day be drawn back into the land which was now under foreign occupation. for some 2,500 years Isreal was a nation without a land. It was not until 1948 that Isreal, over night became a nation once again. from that day in May of 1948, the jews have been returning home to Isreal from very part of the earth where they were scattered like Jeremiah was told they will dwell in their own land.

    God has fullfiled his promised to their people wow
    :yes:

    Jesus my Lord I know everything who have said has come true , other promises also will come true I am waiting for your 2nd coming .... then your kingdom will come on earth (foundation you laid was strong enough) :love:
     

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    Like Allah Jesus not beged for human worship rather he showed us how to love your brother (our God is not just sitting in heaven he came to this world to bring Salvation )

    Your God is hidden , today you are speaking very hihg abt him you do not know him but I do know him because I know Jesus Christ (Son of God) I am not afraid brother I will ready to give my life for the truth

    First Satan try to stop spreading the good news he failed and then he brough semilar book to confuse people , most interesting thing is he accept Jesus but he reject the work he has done we know

    වෙන කිසිදු ආගම් නාමිකව ක්‍රිස්තියානි අයව මරන්න කියලා කියන්නෙ නැ නමුත් අල්ලාගෙ පරම සතුරා ක්‍රිස්තියානි අය වෙලා

    අල්ලාගෙ දෙවන ලොකුම හිසරදය ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙගෙ ප්‍රකාශ සහ ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙගෙ ගැලවිමෙ මාර්ගය

    බයිබලයෙ ඉතා පැහැදිලිව අපිට කලින් ම කියලා තියෙන්වා තව මැසෙන්ජර්ලා එන්නෙ නැ අවසානයට එන්නෙ දෙවියන් වහන්සෙගෙ පුත්‍රයා කියලා , එ වගෙම අපට ඉස්ලාම් දහම එන්න කලින් කියලා තියෙන්වා (වසර 1500 කට පෙර) අනුගාමිකයෙකු හො කොටින්න්ම කියනවා නම් දෙව දුතයෙකු හො වෙන ග්‍රන්තයක් ගෙනා වොත් එය පිලිගන්න එපා කියලා ....... හරි පුදුමයි නෙද?
    :yes:
     

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    මචන් මම මුලින්ම කුරාණය කියවන කොට පොඩ්ඩක් Confuse වුනා මට ප්‍රශ්නයක් වුනා කව්ද ඇත්ත කියන්නෙ කියලා, නමුත් ඉස්සර මම හිතුවෙ ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙගෙ මරණය ජරාජයක් අගරවයක් විදිහට මමත් හිතුවේ දෙවියන්වහන්සෙගෙ පුත්‍රයා මරනයට පත් වෙන්නෙ නැ කියාලා නමුත් කරුනු කාරනා සියල්ලම වැටගෙන්න ගත්තා ශුද්ධාත්මායානන් පැමිනි කල මා නිතරම ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙගෙන් අවන්කව ප්‍රශ්න කරා එවට මෙගෙ ජිවිත අද්දැකිමෙන්ම පිලිතුරු ලැබුනා ඉතින් පහල වකයෙ සැබැ අර්තය බයිබල්ය (දෙව වචනය) අදයනය කරන ඔනැම කෙනෙකුට මනාව පැහැදිලි වෙනවා

    මදක් හිතන්නෙ මෙ කියන අනෙක් Gospel එක කුමක්ද? "an angel from heaven" කවද? ව්ද මේ දෙව දුතයා ඇයි මොහොමඩ් කටින් සෙම දාලා බය වුනෙ? ඇයි මුලින්ම ඔහු සිතුවෙ ඔහු දු‍ටුවේ යක්ශායාවත් ද? කියලා

    මරිය තුමියට ග්‍රබ්‍රියල් දෙවතුතයා දර්ශනය වුනාම කන්තාවක් වෙලත් අදික බියක් ඇති වුනාද? එහෙනම් ඇයි මේ වෙනස? දෙදෙනාම දෙවදුතයන් නෙද? මතක්ක් සිතා බලන්න he is the clue


    Galatians 1:6-7

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    No Other Gospel

    6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

    10 Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.



    "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned"

    සමහර අය හිතන්න පුලුවන් අයි මෙහෙම කියන්නෙ කියලා නමුත් මදක් හිතන්න ඔබව සතයෙන් මුලා කිරිම කොතරම් බරබතලද? ඉතින් මෙන ගොස්පල් නැ තියෙන්නෙ එකම එකයි අපි ඉන්නෙ බයිබලයේ අවසාන පරිජ්ජෙදයේ