What the Buddha Said About Eating Meat

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By Ven. Ajahn Brahmavamso


Since the very beginning of Buddhism over 2500 years ago, Buddhist monks and nuns have depended on almsfood. They were, and still are, prohibited from growing their own food, storing their own provisions or cooking their own meals. Instead, every morning they would make their day's meal out of whatever was freely given to them by lay supporters. Whether it was rich food or coarse food, delicious or awful tasting it was to be accepted with gratitude and eaten regarding it as medicine. The Buddha laid down several rules forbidding monks from asking for the food that they liked. As a result, they would receive just the sort of meals that ordinary people ate - and that was often meat.

Once, a rich and influential general by the name of Siha (meaning 'Lion') went to visit the Buddha. Siha had been a famous lay supporter of the Jain monks but he was so impressed and inspired by the Teachings he heard from the Buddha that he took refuge in the Triple Gem (i.e. he became a Buddhist). General Siha then invited the Buddha, together with the large number of monks accompanying Him, to a meal at his house in the city the following morning. In preparation for the meal, Siha told one of his servants to buy some meat from the market for the feast. When the Jain monks heard of their erstwhile patron's conversion to Buddhism and the meal that he was preparing for the Buddha and the monks, they were somewhat peeved:

"Now at the time many Niganthas (Jain monks), waving their arms, were moaning from carriage road to carriage road, from cross road to cross road in the city: 'Today a fat beast, killed by Siha the general, is made into a meal for the recluse Gotama (the Buddha), the recluse Gotama makes use of this meat knowing that it was killed on purpose for him, that the deed was done for his sake'..." [1].

Siha was making the ethical distinction between buying meat already prepared for sale and ordering a certain animal to be killed, a distinction which is not obvious to many westerners but which recurs throughout the Buddha's own teachings. Then, to clarify the position on meat eating to the monks, the Buddha said:

"Monks, I allow you fish and meat that are quite pure in three respects: if they are not seen, heard or suspected to have been killed on purpose for a monk. But, you should not knowingly make use of meat killed on purpose for you." [2]

There are many places in the Buddhist scriptures which tell of the Buddha and his monks being offered meat and eating it. One of the most interesting of these passages occurs in the introductory story to a totally unrelated rule (Nissaggiya Pacittiya 5) and the observation that the meat is purely incidental to the main theme of the story emphasizes the authenticity of the passage:

Uppalavanna (meaning 'she of the lotus-like complexion') was one of the two chief female disciples of the Buddha. She was ordained as a nun while still a young woman and soon became fully enlightened. As well as being an arahant (enlightened) she also possessed various psychic powers to the extent that the Buddha declared her to be foremost among all the women in this field. Once, while Uppalavanna was meditating alone in the afternoon in the 'Blind-Men's Grove', a secluded forest outside of the city of Savatthi, some thieves passed by. The thieves had just stolen a cow, butchered it and were escaping with the meat. Seeing the composed and serene nun, the chief of the thieves quickly put some of the meat in a leaf-bag and left it for her. Uppalavanna picked up the meat and resolved to give it to the Buddha. Early next morning, having had the meat prepared, she rose into the air and flew to where the Buddha was staying, in the Bamboo Grove outside of Rajagaha, over 200 kilometres as the crow (or nun?) flies! Though there is no specific mention of the Buddha actually consuming this meat, obviously a nun of such high attainments would certainly have known what the Buddha ate.

However there are some meats which are specifically prohibited for monks to eat: human meat, for obvious reasons; meat from elephants and horses as these were then considered royal animals; dog meat - as this was considered by ordinary people to be disgusting; and meat from snakes, lions, tigers, panthers, bears and hyenas - because one who had just eaten the flesh of such dangerous jungle animals was thought to give forth such a smell as to draw forth revenge from the same species!

Towards the end of the Buddha's life, his cousin Devadatta attempted to usurp the leadership of the Order of monks. In order to win support from other monks, Devadatta tried to be more strict than the Buddha and show Him up as indulgent. Devadatta proposed to the Buddha that all the monks should henceforth be vegetarians. The Buddha refused and repeated once again the regulation that he had established years before, that monks and nuns may eat fish or meat as long as it is not from an animal whose meat is specifically forbidden, and as long as they had no reason to believe that the animal was slaughtered specifically for them.

The Vinaya, then, is quite clear on this matter. Monks and nuns may eat meat. Even the Buddha ate meat. Unfortunately, meat eating is often seen by westerners as an indulgence on the part of the monks. Nothing could be further from the truth - I was a strict vegetarian for three years before I became a monk. In my first years as a monk in North-East Thailand, when I bravely faced many a meal of sticky rice and boiled frog (the whole body bones and all), or rubbery snails, red-ant curry or fried grasshoppers - I would have given ANYTHING to be a vegetarian again! On my first Christmas in N.E. Thailand an American came to visit the monastery a week or so before the 25th. It seemed too good to be true, he had a turkey farm and yes, he quickly understood how we lived and promised us a turkey for Christmas. He said that he would choose a nice fat one especially for us... and my heart sank. We cannot accept meat knowing it was killed especially for monks. We refused his offer. So I had to settle for part of the villager's meal - frogs again.

Monks may not exercise choice when it comes to food and that is much harder than being a vegetarian. Nonetheless, we may encourage vegetarianism and if our lay supporters brought only vegetarian food and no meat, well... monks may not complain either!

May you take the hint and be kind to animals.

References:

[1] Book of the Discipline, Vol. 4, p. 324
[2] ibid, p. 325

Ajahn Brahmavamso

(Newsletter, April-June 1990, Buddhist Society of Western Australia.)
 

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Muslims, Christians, Hindus la nam Mas kanawaa... Mokada Eyalata Eyalage aagamema kiyanawaa Kanna kiyalaa.. A'nisa wena katawath A'ka waradi kiyala katawath kiyannath Baha... ehema neyda rapa..?
 

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    gazaly said:
    Muslims, Christians, Hindus la nam Mas kanawaa... Mokada Eyalata Eyalage aagamema kiyanawaa Kanna kiyalaa.. A'nisa wena katawath A'ka waradi kiyala katawath kiyannath Baha... ehema neyda rapa..?

    ow eka awulak naha machan

    meka relevant venne piliganna kamathi ayata withrai
     

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    MAS KANA EKA THIRANAYA UNE EKA KEA AGAM BIHIUNA AREAS ANUWA.BUDDHIST SOUTH ASIN REGION EKE NISA MAS KANNA EPA KIUWA, MOKADA SA WALA HODATA GAS KOLAN THIYENAWA.NAMUTH CATHOLIC, MUSLIM WAGE AGAM BIHIUNE KANTHARA PETHIWALA, ITHIN EDA KIYANNA PULUWAN KAMAK THIBUNE NEHE MAS KANNA EPA KIYALA, MOKADA AE MINISSUNTA KANNA THIBUNE MAS VITHARAI, GAHAK KOLAK VEUNE NTHI NISA.
     

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    gazaly said:
    Muslims, Christians, Hindus la nam Mas kanawaa... Mokada Eyalata Eyalage aagamema kiyanawaa Kanna kiyalaa.. A'nisa wena katawath A'ka waradi kiyala katawath kiyannath Baha... ehema neyda rapa..?


    and machang mama danna widihata budu haamuduruwoth mas kaala thiyanawane neda...???

    Ara mokakda bade amaaruwak ehema haduna kiyala kiyanne..

    matath sure naha.. Buddhist kauru hari kiyanna balanna... :)
     

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    Dath said:
    Rapoooo oya Ajahn Brahmavamso hamuduruwange gena thread ekak damuda????

    It would b great if u can :)


    Kauda e haamuduruwo..??

    Lankaaaweda wena ratakada machang??
     

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    x-pert said:
    and machang mama danna widihata budu haamuduruwoth mas kaala thiyanawane neda...???

    Ara mokakda bade amaaruwak ehema haduna kiyala kiyanne..

    matath sure naha.. Buddhist kauru hari kiyanna balanna... :)

    It was a "danayak" bang one time a professor (cant remember his name) explained why load Buddha accepted it....
    There were so many reasons pal like Logical & also Phsycological

    And this meat is also doubted, some say it is some kinnda Mushrooms !
     

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    x-pert said:
    and machang mama danna widihata budu haamuduruwoth mas kaala thiyanawane neda...???

    Ara mokakda bade amaaruwak ehema haduna kiyala kiyanne..

    matath sure naha.. Buddhist kauru hari kiyanna balanna... :)

    naha ban Budu Hamaduruwo kawadawath mas kawe naha

    oya kiyana seen eka passe minissu hada gatta kathawak

    kisima pothaka sandahan wenne naha machan Un Wahanse mas kawa kiyala
     

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    Alaya said:
    ow eka awulak naha machan

    meka relevant venne piliganna kamathi ayata withrai

    Aagam kiyanney Deviyan Padanam karagaththu Deyak Darshanayak kiyanney Manussayek padanam kara gaththu deyak ithin Deywath-wayeth,Manushshath-wayeth Kohomath Ekahaa samana Adahas naha... Ahasai Polawai wagey... Minissunta Aney Paw kiyala Hitenna Puluwan namuth Deviyan ge ana idiriye Kochchara paw kiyala apita(Minissunta) hithunath Deviyan gana apita thiyena wishwasaya nisa api adahana deviyangey anata api yatath wennama O'ney...
     

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    x-pert said:
    Kauda e haamuduruwo..??

    Lankaaaweda wena ratakada machang??

    He is an English scientist bang, Dan mahana wela

    Kiribathgoda Hamuduruwo gena ahala thiyeda?They hav some kidda connection

    Eaa hamuduruwange whole web site ekak thiyenawa dont u know??????? :)
     

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    Alaya said:
    naha ban Budu Hamaduruwo kawadawath mas kawe naha

    oya kiyana seen eka passe minissu hada gatta kathawak

    kisima pothaka sandahan wenne naha machan Un Wahanse mas kawa kiyala


    Hmmmm.. ehemada scene eka :)

    Mama ahala thibune machang ooru mas kaala bade amaaruwakuth un wahanseta haduna kiyala scene ekak...

    Owu ithin.. baageta baagayak kohomath minissu hadaa gaththa eewane bung thiyanne aagam kiyala... mona aagame unath.. ;)
     

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    Alaya said:
    naha ban Budu Hamaduruwo kawadawath mas kawe naha

    oya kiyana seen eka passe minissu hada gatta kathawak

    kisima pothaka sandahan wenne naha machan Un Wahanse mas kawa kiyala

    :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
    Could b or may be not

    Fact is when u have loads of things 2 learn from Load Buddha why waste ur time on these kidda things :no:
     

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    Dath said:
    He is an English scientist bang, Dan mahana wela

    Kiribathgoda Hamuduruwo gena ahala thiyeda?They hav some kidda connection

    Eaa hamuduruwange whole web site ekak thiyenawa dont u know??????? :)


    Machang mage girl witharai buddhist... mama naa :)

    Danne naha machang kiribathgoda haamuduruwo ganath...

    ammatasiri ehemada.. English kenekda ee kiyanne.. hodaine bungz.. Mokada English minissu Buddhism piligannawa godak aduine bung...
     

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    gazaly said:
    Aagam kiyanney Deviyan Padanam karagaththu Deyak Darshanayak kiyanney Manussayek padanam kara gaththu deyak ithin Deywath-wayeth,Manushshath-wayeth Kohomath Ekahaa samana Adahas naha... Ahasai Polawai wagey... Minissunta Aney Paw kiyala Hitenna Puluwan namuth Deviyan ge ana idiriye Kochchara paw kiyala apita(Minissunta) hithunath Deviyan gana apita thiyena wishwasaya nisa api adahana deviyangey anata api yatath wennama O'ney...

    ee athin machan Budu Dahame maara freedom ekak thiyanawa

    thaman kamathinam karanna nathnam nikan inna

    namuth thamanta labenne thaman karana dewal wala prathipala thamai

    Budu Hamuduruwo kiwwe "mama kiyana deyakwath hithin vimasala balanne nathuwa pili ganna epa" kiyala
     

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    x-pert said:
    Machang mage girl witharai buddhist... mama naa :)

    Danne naha machang kiribathgoda haamuduruwo ganath...

    ammatasiri ehemada.. English kenekda ee kiyanne.. hodaine bungz.. Mokada English minissu Buddhism piligannawa godak aduine bung...

    Ohhhh is that so.

    Hama agamema core eka mama nam hithanne miniha thanpath kenek karana eka nee.......
    So mona agame wunath thamange agama hadawathin nemei oluwen follow karana kena is a better man mama nam hithanne......
    ;)