Why are non-Muslims not allowed in the holy cities of Makkah and Madinah?

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sirajstc said:
ya what to do bro :dull:kavada hari itin etta denaganna lebewi:)well c

mahrib pray karada man pray karala ennam

allah hafiz my bro

math prey karannai gihilla hitiye... ape yuthukamak thiyenawa ne machho.. non-belivers lata aththa therum karanna ekatai math mahansi wenne...

ekattiya atta danagaddi it mite be too late.. and god may ask us why we dnt try to make them realize about god... ehinda apita puluwan widihata api non-belivers lata aththa therum karanna oni...

lets try our best bro....
 

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Wow I didn't know about this...

If this story is true, then there is a huge mistake some where.

Every other religion allows non religious people to go and visit the place (Buddhagaya, Holy land, Lourdes etc.) and see it from their own eyes.

But makkah does not allow? :no:

(Threads like this will definitely create a bad image about Muslims.)
 

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RajNOX said:
math prey karannai gihilla hitiye... ape yuthukamak thiyenawa ne machho.. non-belivers lata aththa therum karanna ekatai math mahansi wenne...

ekattiya atta danagaddi it mite be too late.. and god may ask us why we dnt try to make them realize about god... ehinda apita puluwan widihata api non-belivers lata aththa therum karanna oni...

lets try our best bro....

ban.. EK eke oya wade karana eka galapanne na ban...; nikan ubalawa bite wenawa witarai; god ubalagen kohomatawath ahana ekak naa "why u didn't try to make them realize about him/her(god)"; cuz u knw... after all, god is the one who created non-Muslims; so it's not fair to ask frm u guys like that ryt?
 
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x-pert said:
Wow I didn't know about this...

If this story is true, then there is a huge mistake some where.

Every other religion allows non religious people to go and visit the place (Buddhagaya, Holy land, Lourdes etc.) and see it from their own eyes.

But makkah does not allow? :no:

(Threads like this will definitely create a bad image about Muslims.)

Racists! Religious supremacists! :frown: :frown:

Islam has also divided this world into two - Dal al harb (territory of kufars, war and chaos) and Dar al-Islam (territory of peace).

How does Mohammed justify calling non-Islamic countries like Denmark or New zealand or any other Scandinavian country rated the best places to live on earth as a territory of war and chaos?

Most war and chaos in this world happens where muslims live (i.e. Dafur, palestine, pakistan, afghanistan) or step foot - Mohammed calls these places, "territories of peace"? How deluded was this man???
 

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    RajNOX said:
    math prey karannai gihilla hitiye... ape yuthukamak thiyenawa ne machho.. non-belivers lata aththa therum karanna ekatai math mahansi wenne...

    ekattiya atta danagaddi it mite be too late.. and god may ask us why we dnt try to make them realize about god... ehinda apita puluwan widihata api non-belivers lata aththa therum karanna oni...

    lets try our best bro....

    yes will try our best:)
     

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    x-pert said:
    Wow I didn't know about this...

    If this story is true, then there is a huge mistake some where.

    Every other religion allows non religious people to go and visit the place (Buddhagaya, Holy land, Lourdes etc.) and see it from their own eyes.

    But makkah does not allow? :no:

    (Threads like this will definitely create a bad image about Muslims.)

    thx:)
     

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    sri_lion said:
    So are you telling me that only the people who have done SINS will go to hell whether they are Muslim or Not?

    Which also means any Buddhist, Christian or a Hindu too can go to heaven on judgement day too? Please clarify this... more questions will follow!

    this is how it goes.. everyone should pay for what ever the sins they hav done so far in earth while living.. no matter muslim or non-muslim..

    but due to the dua (needs asked from god) of mohammed (pbuh) all belivers of allah and his prophet muhammed(pbuh) will go to heven after spending thier time in hell for wht they have done. His dua covers only the believers.

    not beliving in allah and his prophet is one of the biggest sins a man can do.. so The one who does such a sin remains in the hell for ever..

    so this concludes only believers will have achance to go to heven after paying the price for thier sins in hell..

    hope i answered u.. you are welcome to ask more questions.. if i know i will let you know the answers. if not.. i will consult someone and forward his answers to you..

    sri_lion said:
    This is exactly what I'm trying to say.. but the loop hole is when Q'ran gives permission to fight anyone can easily manipulate the rule and make it to archieve thier own personal goals... like what Bin Laden does :lol:

    And all the donkeys follow him for the HOLY WAR :lol: Actually I want to know under what circumstances you define a threat to Muslims to start a fight? Who decides this?
    i cant say bin landen is correct or wrong.. allah knows the best of all.. if i tld you that laden is correct and actually he is wrong.. im in big trouble with god.. and so does the vice vesa. so i dont give you my personal opinion as a real fact..

    but i can explain the circumstances

    "Jihad is one of the chief meritorious acts in the eye of Islam -- and it is the best source of earnings, but it shall be undertaken with the intention of self-defence." "Mishkat" II, page 340 - explanatory note).

    "The Holy Quran strictly prohibited conversion by force, saying:
    'There is no compulsion in religion' (Sura 2:256)" (ibid).

    so jihad(holy war) is not terrorism. I thought to post my answer. but you are interested in quran verses arn't u. thats you search for these..

    miskat is not quran its sunnah (what muhammed(pbuh) tld and the way he show us to live. these were also achived and kept. sunnah is the second source after quran).

    sri_lion said:
    The person asked whether there was any incident that involves Muslims where by Muslims deliberately caused any havoc to Buddhists? And that was the answer.. Yes there were... long before Mawanella incident!!!
    Read properly please!

    sorry.. my mistake..
     

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    anurudda said:
    ban.. EK eke oya wade karana eka galapanne na ban...; nikan ubalawa bite wenawa witarai; god ubalagen kohomatawath ahana ekak naa "why u didn't try to make them realize about him/her(god)"; cuz u knw... after all, god is the one who created non-Muslims; so it's not fair to ask frm u guys like that ryt?

    god asked us to think of other fellow sons of adam.. and its a must to us (believers) to try to convey the message to others if they have doubts and problems in it..

    im doing my part.. even they believe it or not...
     

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    nadeeshaF said:
    Racists! Religious supremacists! :frown: :frown:

    Islam has also divided this world into two - Dal al harb (territory of kufars, war and chaos) and Dar al-Islam (territory of peace).

    How does Mohammed justify calling non-Islamic countries like Denmark or New zealand or any other Scandinavian country rated the best places to live on earth as a territory of war and chaos?

    Most war and chaos in this world happens where muslims live (i.e. Dafur, palestine, pakistan, afghanistan) or step foot - Mohammed calls these places, "territories of peace"? How deluded was this man???

    i dont like to answre you question... but what to do..

    Mecca and Madinah are cities of great importance in Islamic tradition -- centers of pilgrimage and prayer, sacred places where Muslims are free from the distractions of daily life. The ban on non-Muslim visitors is mentioned in the Qur’an as follows: "Oh you who believe! Truly the idolaters are unclean; so let them not, after this year, approach the Sacred Mosque...." (9:28). This verse specifically refers to the Grand Mosque in Mecca; later scholars have included Madinah in this ruling as well. There are some Islamic scholars who would permit exceptions to this general rule, for trade purposes or for people who are under treaty permission. There is also some debate about the exact area and borders of the restricted area(s). The government of Saudi Arabia, which controls access to the holy sites, has decided upon a strict ban on both cities in their entirety.

    Restricting access to Mecca and Madinah is intended to provide a place of peace and refuge for Muslim believers and preserve the sanctity of the holy cities. At this time, millions of Muslims visit the cities each year, and additional tourist traffic would simply add to the congestion and detract from the spirituality of the pilgrimage visit.

    answer for you question follows nadeesha........

    whr does it tells about only the country having majority muslims is the place of peace... :lol:
     

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    RajNOX said:
    this is how it goes.. everyone should pay for what ever the sins they hav done so far in earth while living.. no matter muslim or non-muslim..

    but due to the dua (needs asked from god) of mohammed (pbuh) all belivers of allah and his prophet muhammed(pbuh) will go to heven after spending thier time in hell for wht they have done. His dua covers only the believers.

    not beliving in allah and his prophet is one of the biggest sins a man can do.. so The one who does such a sin remains in the hell for ever..

    so this concludes only believers will have achance to go to heven after paying the price for thier sins in hell..

    hope i answered u.. you are welcome to ask more questions.. if i know i will let you know the answers. if not.. i will consult someone and forward his answers to you..

    Ok great! So lets just say for an example... Lord Buddha, Jesus, Mother Theresa people of this caliber showed immense love and care for beings and lived their lives almost everyday devoted to other people than for themselves!

    So they'll go to hell as well? Just because they did not follow Islam?

    RajNOX said:
    i cant say bin landen is correct or wrong.. allah knows the best of all.. if i tld you that laden is correct and actually he is wrong.. im in big trouble with god.. and so does the vice vesa. so i dont give you my personal opinion as a real fact..
    See this is what I'm talking about.. you need to wait for your god for all clarifications.. till then people like Bin Laden will fool everyone with god's own words!!
    RajNOX said:
    but i can explain the circumstances

    "Jihad is one of the chief meritorious acts in the eye of Islam -- and it is the best source of earnings, but it shall be undertaken with the intention of self-defence." "Mishkat" II, page 340 - explanatory note).

    "The Holy Quran strictly prohibited conversion by force, saying:
    'There is no compulsion in religion' (Sura 2:256)" (ibid).

    so jihad(holy war) is not terrorism. I thought to post my answer. but you are interested in quran verses arn't u. thats you search for these..

    miskat is not quran its sunnah (what muhammed(pbuh) tld and the way he show us to live. these were also achived and kept. sunnah is the second source after quran).

    Ok understood... so you mean violence (if threatens your life only) will be dealt with violence, and is approved in Islam!!

    The problem is how about the innocent lives that get lost because of this so called self-defense? Who's accountable for that?
     

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    sri_lion said:
    It is the same reason why non-Muslim sent to HELL by Allah on the judgment day.. yet people dare talking about peace and unity in Islam :lol:

    Anywhere in the world you can go to a Buddhist Temple, Kovil or Church regardless of your nationality, creed or cast or religious beliefs!! And that's at least a step towards unity... Islam expects others to respect it.. but SAD that the feeling is not mutual in Q'ran.... :lol::lol:

    Kaatada mewa kiyanne :rolleyes:


    Well machanla Budu Hamuduruwo kiyala thiyanawa Menna mehama:nerd: Kohomada dannawada. na ne?:no: menna mehema.;)

    Truth will be safe when it opens to the whole world. B'cos when it opens to the world the wise people who think wisely will realize that its the TRUTH:lol:

    False will be safe when its hidden from the whole world. B'cos when it opens to the world the wise people who think wisely will realize that its FALSE:shocked:

    :baffled: :baffled: :baffled: :baffled: :baffled:


    THINK !
     

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    RajNOX said:
    i dont like to answre you question... but what to do..

    Mecca and Madinah are cities of great importance in Islamic tradition -- centers of pilgrimage and prayer, sacred places where Muslims are free from the distractions of daily life. The ban on non-Muslim visitors is mentioned in the Qur’an as follows: "Oh you who believe! Truly the idolaters are unclean; so let them not, after this year, approach the Sacred Mosque...." (9:28). This verse specifically refers to the Grand Mosque in Mecca; later scholars have included Madinah in this ruling as well. There are some Islamic scholars who would permit exceptions to this general rule, for trade purposes or for people who are under treaty permission. There is also some debate about the exact area and borders of the restricted area(s). The government of Saudi Arabia, which controls access to the holy sites, has decided upon a strict ban on both cities in their entirety.

    Restricting access to Mecca and Madinah is intended to provide a place of peace and refuge for Muslim believers and preserve the sanctity of the holy cities. At this time, millions of Muslims visit the cities each year, and additional tourist traffic would simply add to the congestion and detract from the spirituality of the pilgrimage visit.

    answer for you question follows nadeesha........

    whr does it tells about only the country having majority muslims is the place of peace... :lol:

    Peace at what cost? The freedom of the people, the rights of women.

    So if that place is so peaceful, why do MAJORITY MUSLIMS prefer to migrate to the West, and save that special place for the occasional trip eh?
    Why are muslims practically begging for Western Visa? Osama bin laden's son for instance begged for UK visa, why is that? Please explain.

    You can also give me amy number of explanations, and they mean absolutely nothing to a non-muslim like myself. Yes, your holy land and many other Islamic countries are racist to the brim.
     

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    RajNOX said:
    this is how it goes.. everyone should pay for what ever the sins they hav done so far in earth while living.. no matter muslim or non-muslim..

    but due to the dua (needs asked from god) of mohammed (pbuh) all belivers of allah and his prophet muhammed(pbuh) will go to heven after spending thier time in hell for wht they have done. His dua covers only the believers.

    not beliving in allah and his prophet is one of the biggest sins a man can do.. so The one who does such a sin remains in the hell for ever..

    so this concludes only believers will have achance to go to heven after paying the price for thier sins in hell..

    hope i answered u.. you are welcome to ask more questions.. if i know i will let you know the answers. if not.. i will consult someone and forward his answers to you..


    i cant say bin landen is correct or wrong.. allah knows the best of all.. if i tld you that laden is correct and actually he is wrong.. im in big trouble with god.. and so does the vice vesa. so i dont give you my personal opinion as a real fact..

    but i can explain the circumstances

    "Jihad is one of the chief meritorious acts in the eye of Islam -- and it is the best source of earnings, but it shall be undertaken with the intention of self-defence." "Mishkat" II, page 340 - explanatory note).

    "The Holy Quran strictly prohibited conversion by force, saying:
    'There is no compulsion in religion' (Sura 2:256)" (ibid).

    so jihad(holy war) is not terrorism. I thought to post my answer. but you are interested in quran verses arn't u. thats you search for these..

    miskat is not quran its sunnah (what muhammed(pbuh) tld and the way he show us to live. these were also achived and kept. sunnah is the second source after quran).



    sorry.. my mistake..


    Folks take a minute and let this sink in.

    According to Mohammed, great humans such as Mother Teresa, Mahatma Gandhi and yes, even Lord Buddha (since muslims don't believe in nirvana) are in hell. Very fair now are we, while islamic murderers and rapists go to heaven to their 71 virgins?

    What a sick thought that your Allaaaaaaahh would condemd someone like Mother Teresa to hell and some radical suicide bomber to heaven? What a load of crap. To the sane mind, this itself is enough to convince what a load of bullshit that man name mohammed preached in the 5th century! :lol:
     

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    sri_lion said:
    Ok great! So lets just say for an example... Lord Buddha, Jesus, Mother Theresa people of this caliber showed immense love and care for beings and lived their lives almost everyday devoted to other people than for themselves!

    So they'll go to hell as well? Just because they did not follow Islam?
    jesus.. for sure he wont go to hell.. as he has accept in allah.. as he is the prophet befor muhammed(pbuh).. the other people who wr beor prophet muhammed(pbuh) and their real followers will also enter heven.. that means after they pay off for thier sins..

    the christians today say about the principle of trinity and worship jesus as god.. this is where they went wrg.. if they are real believers.. then they should hav accept muhammed(pbuh) as their prophet.. as this has already been said in bible(now it has changed...) so in that manner christians are concidered to be unbilievers too..

    im not sure about lord buddah.. it says about 125000 prophets were sent to earth by time to time.. lord buddha mite be one of them.. or mite not.. allah knows the best...

    if its mothre theresa or anyone who is not a believer in allah and prophet muhammed.. well they will also deserv the hell. but all mity allah know the best.. he knows who believed in him and who doesnt.. so its in his hand..

    sri_lion said:
    See this is what I'm talking about.. you need to wait for your god for all clarifications.. till then people like Bin Laden will fool everyone with god's own words!!

    i dnt said im waiting for gods clarifications.. i hav my personal opinion about these issues.. it mite be correct or it ite be wrng..but i hav taken these decesions using all my knowledge.. which god gav to me.. so i have nothing to do if im wrg.. coz this is the knowledge that god gav to me..

    but still if im not 100% sure of anyting.. then im not permitted to tell them as a fact if its my personal idea.. thats the problem..

    hope you understand how it works...

    sri_lion said:
    Ok understood... so you mean violence (if threatens your life only) will be dealt with violence, and is approved in Islam!!

    my life or anyother fellow muslims life behalf of islam..

    i cudnt find the correct verse to post it.. i will find and post it.. im not that good in quran verses ... sory...

    sri_lion said:
    The problem is how about the innocent lives that get lost because of this so called self-defense? Who's accountable for that?

    if someone trys to kill your own brother infrnt of you.. and you hav a gun in ur hand shoot at him.. will you feel guilty... ???

    we muslims should think all other fellow muslims as the own brothers..

    any more doubts on my answers (i know you should have).. or any oother problems
    plzz giv me a reply... i wiill try ma best to tell you what islam says.. upto what i know.... this is ma mail : [email protected] im ready to try ma best to let you know wht islam means..