Why are non-Muslims not allowed in the holy cities of Makkah and Madinah?

[RajNOX]

Folks take a minute and let this sink in.

According to Mohammed, great humans such as Mother Teresa, Mahatma Gandhi and yes, even Lord Buddha (since muslims don't believe in nirvana) are in hell. Very fair now are we, while islamic murderers and rapists go to heaven to their 71 virgins?

What a sick thought that your Allaaaaaaahh would condemd someone like Mother Teresa to hell and some radical suicide bomber to heaven? What a load of crap. To the sane mind, this itself is enough to convince what a load of bullshit that man name mohammed preached in the 5th century!

i hav put a reply for most of these questions..as srilion already ask it from me... go throo it..

i will go in summery here....

human kinds first duty is to belive in who created them and make them live in this earth.. for this they should thanks god.. after this only.. anyone is under concideration of doing good things to human.. so first to belive and be thankful for god. then to do other good stuffz.

if you dont obey to you parents .. but you go helping a guy in the road to cross.. you still a bad guy.. as your parnts get the priority than that guy in the road... that is how it works....

and i cant tell who will go to heven and who will go to hell.. as it depends on all mity god.. who knows them all...

 

[RajNOX]

Peace at what cost? The freedom of the people, the rights of women.

So if that place is so peaceful, why do MAJORITY MUSLIMS prefer to migrate to the West, and save that special place for the occasional trip eh?
Why are muslims practically begging for Western Visa? Osama bin laden's son for instance begged for UK visa, why is that? Please explain.

You can also give me amy number of explanations, and they mean absolutely nothing to a non-muslim like myself. Yes, your holy land and many other Islamic countries are racist to the brim.

you are talking like a fool... whats there to hav a UK visa and living in a western land...

anyone knows western in much developed and everyone like to live in a developed place... as you are a muslim.. no need to go live near meccah...

we visit meccah as we were ask to do so... as a hadj. dats all..

who told you like dat... and one other thing.. you just go one blaming islam... and if islam havent stoped me blaming other religion i know how to spk to you ma frnd.. this is not a threat.. im telling what i feel now.. if you hav any problems (not the foolish ones) come ask em.. dont blame other religions ..

try to be like a man if your not a gentlemen.. don't be like an animal with 5 sense.. they are the one which fights for no valid reasons...

 

[fzlhmt]

you are talking like a fool... whats there to hav a UK visa and living in a western land...

anyone knows western in much developed and everyone like to live in a developed place... as you are a muslim.. no need to go live near meccah...

we visit meccah as we were ask to do so... as a hadj. dats all..

who told you like dat... and one other thing.. you just go one blaming islam... and if islam havent stoped me blaming other religion i know how to spk to you ma frnd.. this is not a threat.. im telling what i feel now.. if you hav any problems (not the foolish ones) come ask em.. dont blame other religions ..

try to be like a man if your not a gentlemen.. don't be like an animal with 5 sense.. they are the one which fights for no valid reasons...

well said

 

[dmsupun]

Dats nature of that religion.

 

[gayancc]

oohh

 

[~v3n0m~]

religious concepts are hard to criticize, as some of them are driven through the limits of possibility to compare them relatively.

And a religion is something one believe in. Belief makes a unique perspective for each followers in each religion making them easy to realize one thing while hard to realize another thing.

A person in one religion may have a good knowledge and practice in his religion. But could lack the knowledge of another religion.

The one who has real curiosity and the need to find the truth can explore any religion and teaching as he wish and find the truth. But the actual situation is, few people are just being "fanboys" of religion without having a open mind to explore and understand the truth.

 

[RajNOX]

religious concepts are hard to criticize, as some of them are driven through the limits of possibility to compare them relatively.

And a religion is something one believe in. Belief makes a unique perspective for each followers in each religion making them easy to realize one thing while hard to realize another thing.

A person in one religion may have a good knowledge and practice in his religion. But could lack the knowledge of another religion.

The one who has real curiosity and the need to find the truth can explore any religion and teaching as he wish and find the truth. But the actual situation is, few people are just being "fanboys" of religion without having a open mind to explore and understand the truth.

 

[~v3n0m~]

Im a good buddhist because of the understanding I have about the core of the buddhism. It is cristal clear. You are always given a clear path and as you practicing, you can see the development. Buddhism is always open for anyone to learn and practice. Even lord buddha practiced and tried almost every kind of teachings available in the time of him. I know only about buddhism and always can try to reply to anyone who have question about buddha's teaching.

 

[~v3n0m~]

And it is best to stop argive and if we really need to discuss, we should do it with the need to "solve our problems/to find solutions for our question." not with the idea to attack anyone.

 

[RajNOX]

And it is best to stop argive and if we really need to discuss, we should do it with the need to "solve our problems/to find solutions for our question." not with the idea to attack anyone.

i really like your way of approch to this religious problems.. just go throo the thread and find out who made the harsh comments first.. if they are ready not to blame islam.. wel m ready to hav a peaceful discussion...

this is brother... not everyone here is same as you.. some are really racist.. when they blame islam.. i cudnt control ma self.. i think you can understand that.. if someone blames lord buddha how will it be to you...

what ever i felt personally.. iv try to convey the message in discussion form rather than blaming.. hope ur idea would become true soon..

 

[nadeeshaF]

i hav put a reply for most of these questions..as srilion already ask it from me... go throo it..

i will go in summery here....

human kinds first duty is to belive in who created them and make them live in this earth.. for this they should thanks god.. after this only.. anyone is under concideration of doing good things to human.. so first to belive and be thankful for god. then to do other good stuffz.

if you dont obey to you parents .. but you go helping a guy in the road to cross.. you still a bad guy.. as your parnts get the priority than that guy in the road... that is how it works....

and i cant tell who will go to heven and who will go to hell.. as it depends on all mity god.. who knows them all...

That's the stupidest thing ever. You can't compare the relationship between a person and their parents to that of that person and allah.

And more importantly, get this into your head. Do you realise how forgiving the average parent is? Even if you cause them much heartache they will never give up on their child, they will still love them unconditionally. How stupid of you to compare some man in the sky to ones parents. This is the difference between parents and that "man in the sky". Parents forgive and continue to cherish their kids, that man in the sky is a ruthless devil who fails to see the good in a person, regardless of their religion and does not have an iota of compassion.



Anybody owes it to their parents, but what does a non-believer especially owe to some unseen man in the sky? Where is his proof of existence?


And most of all, I think ALLAH is a damn monster with no compassion. He creates 80% as non-believers so he can see the majority of his creation suffer. He is egostistical to the point that he overlooks good deeds done by non-muslims, and condemns them to hell just because they failed to acknowledge him. Things like this only make sense to muslims. Non-muslims find these laughable, makes them also believe that Allah was a mere figment of Mohammed's imagination.

But seriously, what a superficial god you have! Wonder if he also stands in front of a mirror everyday and asks, "whose the prettiest of them all?"

 

[nadeeshaF]

you are talking like a fool... whats there to hav a UK visa and living in a western land...

anyone knows western in much developed and everyone like to live in a developed place... as you are a muslim.. no need to go live near meccah...

we visit meccah as we were ask to do so... as a hadj. dats all..

who told you like dat... and one other thing.. you just go one blaming islam... and if islam havent stoped me blaming other religion i know how to spk to you ma frnd.. this is not a threat.. im telling what i feel now.. if you hav any problems (not the foolish ones) come ask em.. dont blame other religions ..

try to be like a man if your not a gentlemen.. don't be like an animal with 5 sense.. they are the one which fights for no valid reasons...

I can feel you squirming in your chair, and you just got yourself in a corner! I like that.


So you admit that the West is developed that the holiest of holy muslim places, Macca?

Can you tell me why Allah has bestowed some kufar countries with so much wealth and development, and not his own holy land? Please answer that.

 

[RajNOX]

That's the stupidest thing ever. You can't compare the relationship between a person and their parents to that of that person and allah.

And more importantly, get this into your head. Do you realise how forgiving the average parent is? Even if you cause them much heartache they will never give up on their child, they will still love them unconditionally. How stupid of you to compare some man in the sky to ones parents. This is the difference between parents and that "man in the sky". Parents forgive and continue to cherish their kids, that man in the sky is a ruthless devil who fails to see the good in a person, regardless of their religion and does not have an iota of compassion.



Anybody owes it to their parents, but what does a non-believer especially owe to some unseen man in the sky? Where is his proof of existence?


And most of all, I think ALLAH is a damn monster with no compassion. He creates 80% as non-believers so he can see the majority of his creation suffer. He is egostistical to the point that he overlooks good deeds done by non-muslims, and condemns them to hell just because they failed to acknowledge him. Things like this only make sense to muslims. Non-muslims find these laughable, makes them also believe that Allah was a mere figment of Mohammed's imagination.

But seriously, what a superficial god you have! Wonder if he also stands in front of a mirror everyday and asks, "whose the prettiest of them all?"

i told you once.. dont blame islam.. this is a discussion forum.. i know how to spk to you if islam doesnt ask me not to blam on other religions...

a muslim ows god much more than wht he own to his parents or other human beings.. as a non-believer.. you wont understand this concept at once.. dats why i told you the exampe of the man in the road and the parent..

once again nadeesha.. you should understand its islam and only islam dat made me sit here like this and listen to all your blames.. without giving a reply blame to ur religion...

 

[RajNOX]

I can feel you squirming in your chair, and you just got yourself in a corner! I like that.


So you admit that the West is developed that the holiest of holy muslim places, Macca?

Can you tell me why Allah has bestowed some kufar countries with so much wealth and development, and not his own holy land? Please answer that.

of couse yes.. god has said wht we muslims hav done to our community has been done by our own hand.. nowadays muslims are not 100% islamic.. allah has warned us to be fully islamic. which most of ur fellow muslims(including me) doesnt do so. and when we dont obey to him he makes the non-bilievers to go over muslims and teach the muslims to be obedeint.. This applys to muslims.. not non-muslims.. so wht ever the sins non-muslims do, allah doest give them the whole punishment in this earth.. he waits until aahira(life after death)..
and in this earth allah is helping us(muslims) understand wht are the mistakes that we does to correct them.. using the non believers...

that is the reason west is developed than meccah.. that is the reason islamic countries are in a misarable situation today... and this is the reason why allah has given the power to US, Isreal and other nations who are against islam.. its our mistake.. its us(muslims) who dnt obey him fully..

 

[4reigner]

 

[PROF N.U.T LOOS]

ban.. EK eke oya wade karana eka galapanne na ban...; nikan ubalawa bite wenawa witarai; god ubalagen kohomatawath ahana ekak naa "why u didn't try to make them realize about him/her(god)"; cuz u knw... after all, god is the one who created non-Muslims; so it's not fair to ask frm u guys like that ryt?

Yes man.It's like god playing a game with his own life.

 

[dominatr91]

And most of all, I think ALLAH is a damn monster with no compassion. He creates 80% as non-believers so he can see the majority of his creation suffer. He is egostistical to the point that he overlooks good deeds done by non-muslims, and condemns them to hell just because they failed to acknowledge him. Things like this only make sense to muslims. Non-muslims find these laughable, makes them also believe that Allah was a mere figment of Mohammed's imagination.

But seriously, what a superficial god you have! Wonder if he also stands in front of a mirror everyday and asks, "whose the prettiest of them all?"

LOL !! nadeeshaF shows off that he's very much WISE by insulting other religions .... I really dunno whether lord budhdha have told the followers to insult other religions

 

[PROF N.U.T LOOS]

of couse yes.. god has said wht we muslims hav done to our community has been done by our own hand.. nowadays muslims are not 100% islamic.. allah has warned us to be fully islamic. which most of ur fellow muslims(including me) doesnt do so. and when we dont obey to him he makes the non-bilievers to go over muslims and teach the muslims to be obedeint.. This applys to muslims.. not non-muslims.. so wht ever the sins non-muslims do, allah doest give them the whole punishment in this earth.. he waits until aahira(life after death)..
and in this earth allah is helping us(muslims) understand wht are the mistakes that we does to correct them.. using the non believers...

that is the reason west is developed than meccah.. that is the reason islamic countries are in a misarable situation today... and this is the reason why allah has given the power to US, Isreal and other nations who are against islam.. its our mistake.. its us(muslims) who dnt obey him fully..

Dont worry man just be a non_muslim then the you would not be punished by the god. making you rich or not ,cannot be done by the god you should work out for it.

 

[Wal Bada]

1. All citizens are not permitted in the cantonment area

I am a citizen of India. Yet, I am not permitted to enter certain restricted areas like the cantonment. In every country there are certain areas where a common citizen of that country cannot enter. Only a citizen who is enrolled in the military or those who are connected with the defence of the country are allowed in the cantonment area. Similarly Islam is a Universal Religion for the entire world and for all human beings. The cantonment areas of Islam are the two holy cites of Makkah and Madinah. Here only those who believe in Islam and are involved in the defence of Islam i.e. the Muslims are allowed.

It would be illogical for a common citizen to object against the restriction on entering a cantonment area. Similarly it is not appropriate for non-Muslims to object against the restriction on non-Muslims against entering Makkah and Madinah.

Biggest joke of the year. Restricted areas are restricted to all the people regardless of their nationality. Only resource people can enter them. Yes, we would not expect any one (even any normal Muslim) to be allowed to enter the most private rooms of clergy in Mecca, but not allowing to enter a pilgrim place is a joke. And shows the intolerance of Muslim towerds other religions.

Temple of tooth, the chamber where the tooth is closed to normal public, even Buddhists. But leaders of forighn countries are allowed to visit that chamber, let them be Buddhist or not. Compare it with dester bandit's religion for a change.

 

[Wal Bada]

Yet has there been any incident where a muslim party has done anything like that to any other faiths in SL?there were certain events but were not proven that it was really the muslims...Muslims dont do any such thing due to the sayings about other religions in Islam....

Have ample examples. If you want a start, read about Hajji Muhandirams deeds in 1818. Since then, up to 1915 there have been many incidents. Have a search on EK, you'll find about current deeds as well.