Why assume your GOD is true?

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1 John 5:20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true--even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.


Why you can not see these kind of verse ? why you pick & chose some verse to convince your idea only : my advise is to read the who new testament do careful investigation without bias to your belief system (I know for you it's tremendously difficult (being so extreme ) Middle way is the best way to understand anything (that i learnt from Lord Buddha)

My personal idea is if some religion is give you peace (help you to experience love/Compassion to all being) respect it or follow it.

Again I am telling you "it's all about love & compassion"

Budusaranai ! God bless you!
 
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Sorry for the cut-paste thing : Source everystudent

Did Jesus Ever Say He was God?

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Is Jesus God? Investigate these interesting claims...
Others were convinced that Jesus was God:
Paul: "Christ is the visible image of the invisible God."1
John: "He existed in the beginning with God."2
Peter: "you must worship Christ as Lord of your life."3

But what did Jesus say about himself?

Did he ever identify himself as God? According to the Bible...absolutely! Below are some of his statements made while on earth, in their context.

Is Jesus God? He said he was equal to God.

"Your father Abraham rejoiced as he looked forward to my coming. He saw it and was glad." The people said, "You aren't even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?" Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!" At that point they picked up stones to throw at him. But Jesus was hidden from them and left the Temple.4

"The Father and I are one." Once again the people picked up stones to kill him. Jesus said, "At my Father's direction I have done many good works. For which one are you going to stone me?" They replied, "We're stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, claim to be God."5

Jesus shouted to the crowds, "If you trust me, you are trusting not only me, but also God who sent me. For when you see me, you are seeing the one who sent me. I have come as a light to shine in this dark world, so that all who put their trust in me will no longer remain in the dark."6

After washing their feet, he put on his robe again and sat down and asked, "Do you understand what I was doing? You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and you are right, because that's what I am. And since I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you ought to wash each other's feet."7

Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. If you had really known me, you would know who my Father is. From now on, you do know him and have seen him!" Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied." Jesus replied, "Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don't know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you?"8

Is Jesus God? How he described himself:

Jesus said, "I tell you the truth, Moses didn't give you bread from heaven. My Father did. And now he offers you the true bread from heaven. The true bread of God is the one who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world." "Sir," they said, "give us that bread every day." Jesus replied, "I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never be hungry again. Whoever believes in me will never be thirsty."9

Jesus spoke to the people once more and said, "I am the light of the world. If you follow me, you won't have to walk in darkness, because you will have the light that leads to life." The Pharisees replied, "You are making those claims about yourself! Such testimony is not valid." Jesus told them, "These claims are valid even though I make them about myself. For I know where I came from and where I am going, but you don't know this about me."10

so he explained it to them: "I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. All who came before me were thieves and robbers. But the true sheep did not listen to them. Yes, I am the gate. Those who come in through me will be saved. They will come and go freely and will find good pastures. The thief's purpose is to steal and kill and destroy. My purpose is to give them a rich and satisfying life. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd sacrifices his life for the sheep."11

Martha said to Jesus, "Lord, if only you had been here, my brother would not have died. But even now I know that God will give you whatever you ask." Jesus told her, "Your brother will rise again." "Yes," Martha said, "he will rise when everyone else rises, at the last day." Jesus told her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me will live, even after dying. Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will never ever die. Do you believe this, Martha?" "Yes, Lord," she told him. "I have always believed you are the Messiah, the Son of God, the one who has come into the world from God."12

Is Jesus God? What he said he was sent here to do:

But Jesus called them together and said, "You know that the rulers in this world lord it over their people, and officials flaunt their authority over those under them. But among you it will be different. Whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first among you must become your slave. For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve others and to give his life as a ransom for many."13

for he wanted to spend more time with his disciples and teach them. He said to them, "The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of his enemies. He will be killed, but three days later he will rise from the dead." They didn't understand what he was saying, however, and they were afraid to ask him what he meant.14

"For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him. There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God's one and only Son."15

However, those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them. For I have come down from heaven to do the will of God who sent me, not to do my own will. And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them up at the last day. For it is my Father's will that all who see his Son and believe in him should have eternal life. I will raise them up at the last day."16



So Mr. I Love you Sri lanka

What Jesus have to say about you?

Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

today you divided up his clothes casting lots . God have mercy ! Inshallah :rolleyes:


Give me the reference number from your bible for your above statements. for sake of argument even If I accept with ur statement, what abt my statement which was provided to you..u have any explanation?if u dont have any answers that means your bible contradict itself isn't it?I dont think any christians will give any answers for that.what they used to do is give some replies in order to convince yourself, not for others.this s not ur mistake but your church teach u like that. I think u dont know abt my quotatatons,I will appreciate if u can ask any of your bishops in ur church, Im sure they also will not answer u..then u will realise which is dark or light, thts old i can say u.

Muslim is a person who submits his will to Allah.
Jesus (pbuh) said, "not my will but thy will be done." i.e. Muslim.
John 5:30

If Christian is a person who follows the teachings of Christ (pbuh) and not one who worships Christ (pbuh). (We are more Christian than the Christians themselves).
 
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See how much Jesus love you ?

But I tell you (for me - Y2k) : Love your enemies (your not my enemy ur my friend but jesus ask me even to love your enemies - but you guys are killing Jews killing ur enemies (Jews, Christians or Buddhists not your enemies but you label them as ur enemy) and pray for those who persecute you


It's all about love my friend it all about love nothing more nothing :love:less

You are not giving any rebuttals to any of my replies, just keep on quoting love, love,love..it is not justifying or convincing anything...........Tell me what maximum love we can give to non believers than taking them to paradise by saying the truth???

Jesus following Quotation will fit to you..
Gospel of Mathew, Chapter No.13, Verse No.13… ‘Seeing they are see not, hearing they hear not, neither do they understand..

Also Quran say to you this

Qur’an says in Surah Baqarah, Chapter 2, Verse No.18… ‘The deaf, the dumb, the blind - they will not come to the true path’

Of course even after lot of explanation, you act as if you haven't heard anything from me. and keep on favouring ur agenda without any logical explanation.I can only pray for u all to open ur mind.whatever I could say I said it.thats it.
 
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you are mis interpreting those things according to your will, I have answer it clear but still you didn't b'live it (you will never)

John 3:18 (King James Version)

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. :baffled:


Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." :baffled: According to Jesus you can not see God (but you might go to Allah - but Allah hates :frown:who B'live that he had a son :oo: - I am not going to give reference you know what verse i am talking about i true can quote from Koran but that will create more fight according to Jesus we can not Judge any one Judgement belongs to GOD . this is why I said earlier no point of talking these things may be we (you) are not chosen. I am not worth to Judge other religions but be mindful & be rational always. I do not wanted to go this further but I had to if someone got hurt " I am sorry" whether you are Christian, Buddhist or Muslim I do not care as Jesus loves us without any exception I love every human being if any Christian did do that means he is not a true Christian he is not from GOD


My final words to you

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." - JESUS CHRIST (THE SON OF MAN)



let us pray & ask Jesus to show us the way !!!

God bless you & may you find the truth in the name of Jesus Christ


I am not giving any of my own explanation, ur bible is n english i dont want to add something in it.everything is clear whatever I quoted from ur bible with the reference no.f u want u can go & see whether Im giving something wrong. You cant just tell im interpreting in my own way.there is no interpretation at all,whatever I put is direct verse from ur bible.

Jesus said `I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.'" John 14:6

How can this prove he was God than whatever i mentioned rebutting he is not God.Yes.all prophets were the way, the truth and the life since they conveyed the only true religion from God to men. Hence, they were the only way to God since any other message that contradicted theirs would be false.we also following Mohammed's way and life(hadith)..so can we say Mohammed is God??,,,Please learn well before u put anything.Im like more christians than u, coz I know better than u.
 

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You are not giving any rebuttals to any of my replies, just keep on quoting love, love,love..it is not justifying or convincing anything...........Tell me what maximum love we can give to non believers than taking them to paradise by saying the truth???

Jesus following Quotation will fit to you..
Gospel of Mathew, Chapter No.13, Verse No.13… ‘Seeing they are see not, hearing they hear not, neither do they understand..

exactly that 's wht we are (you) doing :rofl::oo:



Also Quran say to you this

Qur’an says in Surah Baqarah, Chapter 2, Verse No.18… ‘The deaf, the dumb, the blind - they will not come to the true path’

Of course even after lot of explanation, you act as if you haven't heard anything from me. and keep on favouring ur agenda without any logical explanation.I can only pray for u all to open ur mind.whatever I could say I said it.thats it.

:rolleyes: No comments brother Ok I accept that your GOD is True

I quit

May God bless you
 

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I am not giving any of my own explanation, ur bible is n english i dont want to add something in it.everything is clear whatever I quoted from ur bible with the reference no.f u want u can go & see whether Im giving something wrong. You cant just tell im interpreting in my own way.there is no interpretation at all,whatever I put is direct verse from ur bible.

Jesus said `I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.'" John 14:6

How can this prove he was God than whatever i mentioned rebutting he is not God.Yes.all prophets were the way, the truth and the life since they conveyed the only true religion from God to men. Hence, they were the only way to God since any other message that contradicted theirs would be false.we also following Mohammed's way and life(hadith)..so can we say Mohammed is God??,,,Please learn well before u put anything.Im like more christians than u, coz I know better than u.


Jesus said `I (not all prophets) am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.'" John 14:6


Mchan enough for this life time but I wish we both talking same GOD

& Pray if you are right God will correct me if am right (Jesus is Son of GOD) God will correct you

Please pray to your GOD to show me that way

Inshallah No more arguments
 
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That's Jesus bear the God wrath " some people will never b'live :no:

Check this out

John 11:25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies;

Do you know there are two kinds of Resurrections according to the recorded words of Christ Jesus? `The Resurrection of Life' and `The Resurrection of Judgement/condemnation'. "...all who are in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth; those who did the good deeds, to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment." (John 5:28/29).
What exactly is one supposed to do to have `The Resurrection of Life' according to the words of Christ Jesus? "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word, and believes Him who sent me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life." (John 5:24)
 
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Jesus said `I (not all prophets) am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.'" John 14:6


Mchan enough for this life time but I wish we both talking same GOD

& Pray if you are right God will correct me if am right (Jesus is Son of GOD) God will correct you

Please pray to your GOD to show me that way

Inshallah No more arguments


No one comes to the Father except through Me

Through me, means Message came through him from God at that time. it doesnt prove neither he was God nor he is son of God...Only messenger.

Yes. as a last resort this is the final message I get from all the Christians coz, they dont want to deny their agenda despite they have no proof.

anyway I will pray for u to open ur mind. This elakirians are witness that I have told u the truth. in the day of judgement Dont' tell God that no one has told u.
 

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let me ask you a counter question from you , How do you know what Lord Buddha saying is true? how do you proof 100% there is place call Nibbana? Can you explain how Karma works?

I do believe someone should come to show us the way he might be Lord Buddha , Jesus Christ or any other person should know where we come from and we are we going ( are there many ways ? I do not know) but first you should select one path (you should trust ur teacher or leader)

There's no way to know and there's no proof. How is that relevant?


are you 100% sure ? in Mahayana also? completely? there is a verse in the bible says even the knowledge has no meaning

I am not trying to say you have to believe in God blindly but someday you will realize it's all about sacrifices it's all about love

I don't know that much about mahayana but I'm sure that buddha rejected "Pubbekatha hethu wadaya" and "Essara Nimmanawadaya"(Ishwara(GOD) created everything).

I think you have mess-up with some other documents Please quote if you can find any word of violence from the New Testament (Jesus's Teachings)


I'll take your word for it for now. Until the time I can read the new Testment, and do research on it.
 
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:rolleyes: No comments brother Ok I accept that your GOD is True

I quit

May God bless you


God is One only, your faith is wrong. what u are following is your church. not really bible, I evidenced u with ur bible itself, Jesus was not God, he was a messenger/Christ. still u don't trust ur bible itself. anyway I also quit this very good opportunity to say the truth to u.

May God give you good wisdom,show the right path and bless you.

I would like to conclude with a Jesus Quote.

"And behold, one came and said unto him, ‘Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?’

And he said unto him, ‘Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.’ "
[The Bible, Mathew 19:16-17]
 

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There is no my God or your God there is only one God he is not belongs to Christians or Muslims only he belongs to you as well but you have the choice either to believe in him or reject him
I see where you are coming from. So there is only one GOD. When I was saying "Your GOD" I did not mean there are more than one GODs. But the question is how do you know the path you follow is the correct path to reach that GOD. More specifically how do you know new testament talks about this GOD? Why not quran?

Same way I can ask how do you know Terawadi Buddism is correct or Mahayana is the true teachings of Lord Buddha?
I do not know this. There are no sects in Buddhism. There are no groups. What buddha said is universal and is for everyone. However your questions comparing the things with buddhism is not relevant to the thread in my opinion. If you are raising these questions going by the assumption that I'm a Buddhist, I must say I am not.
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There is no definition for GOD like there is no definition for love different people define it differently but the fruits are same
But there should be at least some attributes of GOD. Otherwise how can the concept exist?
 

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I am a Buddhist and I believe that gods exist. Because in the Tripitakaya there are stories of gods asking various questions from Lord Buddha.
You are a buddhist and yet you don't even know how to distinguish the Omnimax GOD from the so called "deviya" in buddhist philosophy. That would be a really good place to start, before you enter this thread.
 

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I have never heard about that story. Anyway if the Bible has some scientific facts, those facts must be there in this forum as there are more Christian in this forum. Because the only way that they could prove their religion a genuine, are those facts. But I have never ever seen those.They couldn't use them to prove their a religion.That means those fact are not reliable. But Islam is the only religion that has argue with scientific facts.
It's all over the internet. Use google. Christians are open minded and are permitted to think for themselves. They don't need to prove their religion like muslims do. That's why they are not so obsessed with their book.

There are no scientific facts in Quran. Muslims claim there are and that's all there to it.


So you have decided to make the truth, false. Ok ! I am eagerly waiting for that opportunity.

Well truth is out there. So you don't need to worry. Let's continue this discussion in this thread.

http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=799338&page=14

I would like to discuss one point by one. Lets just first discuss about errors in quran.

I say quran 51:49 is erroneous. Answer the following question and prove me wrong.

(1) What is the pair of a Photon?
 

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I am Sorry to say again that you are not aware about what other scriptures give definition to God.
And you never fail to amuse me. To make the above claim you need to study all the scriptures of all the religions. Have you done so?

Secondly, since you fail to understand what I'm saying over and over let me make it plain for you.

(1)I'm not saying because there are so many religions there are so many GODs or all the religions are talking about different GODs.

(2)I'm saying, assume there's only one GOD if you may, but why would you think your religion is the correct one speaking about that GOD? Why you would think your religion is the correct path to GOD.
 

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God is One only, your faith is wrong. what u are following is your church. not really bible, I evidenced u with ur bible itself, Jesus was not God, he was a messenger/Christ. still u don't trust ur bible itself. anyway I also quit this very good opportunity to say the truth to u.

Explain this to me. So jesus was not GOD. Did anyone claim he was? Why would that make the faith wrong? How can a faith be ever wrong? We have faith on something because we don't know for sure don't we?
 

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You are a buddhist and yet you don't even know how to distinguish the Omnimax GOD from the so called "deviya" in buddhist philosophy. That would be a really good place to start, before you enter this thread.


Well, you have not mentioned Omnimax GOD at the beginning of the thread. You have mentioned only GOD. It is true that we use the word GOD for Omnimax God but we also use it as the English term for the word Deviya. For example,

"In Buddhism, there are higher beings commonly designed (or designated) as gods, Devas; however, Buddhism, at its core, does not teach the notion of praying nor worship to the Devas or any god(s). " (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytheism#Contemporary_world_religions)

Any way I do not believe in Omnimax GOD or creator.
 
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And you never fail to amuse me. To make the above claim you need to study all the scriptures of all the religions. Have you done so?

I have been learning&reading about some of the major religions for sometime. NO scholars are coming to this site, only average learners come to this site to learn abt the religions, so I dont think your statement is required here.

Secondly, since you fail to understand what I'm saying over and over let me make it plain for you.

Really Did I fail to understand? your Question didnt mean so. your question is put below, you may read & see.U underlined the definition as well.

Ok let me try a different approach to explain what I'm trying to say.

Can you see that the definition and qualities that you give to GOD is unique to your religion? You can give a definition you want and you say if GOD comes under this definition he is the true GOD.

What makes you think your definition is right?



(1)I'm not saying because there are so many religions there are so many GODs or all the religions are talking about different GODs.

OK..agree

(2)I'm saying, assume there's only one GOD if you may, but why would you think your religion is the correct one speaking about that GOD? Why you would think your religion is the correct path to GOD.

I don't want to go in to much details. Islam states that Allah sent messengers and prophets throughout the ages with the message of Oneness of God, and accountability in the Hereafter. Islam thus makes it an article of faith to believe in all the earlier prophets, starting with Adam, and continuing with Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, John and Jesus amongst many others (may peace be on them all).still presently you can see followers of this prophets i.e Jews, Christians etc.....Major religions such as Judaism and Christianity in its scripture talks about a prophet(final messenger Mohammed)to come.to whom quran was revealed. so the basic message is same.GOD is one..now we are believing the same God which original Christianity and Judaism scriptures mentioned.
 
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Well, you have not mentioned Omnimax GOD at the beginning of the thread. You have mentioned only GOD. It is true that we use the word GOD for Omnimax God but we also use it as the English term for the word Deviya. For example,
This is true. The word "Deviya" has been mistranslated to give the same Meaning as GOD. But "Deviya" is something completely different from the GOD in Abrahamic Religions.
My apologies, when I was talking about GOD I was not talking about "Deviya".