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[hirashgeff]

Allah in English GOD okay so my question is he (Allah) belong Arabs & Muslim only?

Allah dose not belong to any one . but Allah is the one and only god of the mankind.
we moslems prefer to use Allah because it's special . in Arabic you cannot derive any being from word allah.
but from word god we can derive following
Goddess , Godfather, Godson where those terms tend to mean association with god. we moslems believe that allah has no association. that's why we prefer to use word Allah instead of GOD

 

[Y2K]

How to you define following version (Islamic View of Hell)

Not one of you but will pass over it (Sura 19:71)

so according to Allah,everyone will sink into Hell. The phrase "Pass over it" has led many
Islamic theologians to conclude that there might be a bridge (Sirat) spanning Hell right?

 

[Captain Arjun!!!!!]

Allah dose not belong to any one . but Allah is the one and only god of the mankind.
we moslems prefer to use Allah because it's special . in Arabic you cannot derive any being from word allah.
but from word god we can derive following
Goddess , Godfather, Godson where those terms tend to mean association with god. we moslems believe that allah has no association. that's why we prefer to use word Allah instead of GOD

Thanks, also tell me there is any picture of Allah?

 

[danukapeiris]

hey, Ada wage buddiya ihalama thenaka genapu bodisathwayan budu una dawase me moda thread up karanna epa.... ada dawasa buddimath de tharkayata pamanai.... saaaadu !

 

[AncientGlory]

Correspondingly, if, as is the case, we know only what has happened since the
big bang, we could not
determine what happened beforehand. As far as we are concerned, events before the big bang can have no
consequences, so they should not form part of a scientific model of the universe. We should therefore cut them
out of the model and say that time had a beginning at the big bang

page 28 (pdf Version)
http://www.mediafire.com/?q3156hrcg76np3r
Stephan Hawking -A Breif History of the time

no need to mention it . as modern physics tells start of time with big bang . and Allah sates the creation of universe which reflects big bang .so time is created by Allah.

This is an idea presented by Stephan Hawkings, Not something mentioned in Big Bang Theory.

Anyways coming back to the original question, you said that muslims believe Time was created by Allah, and that you accept the Big Bang Theory since it is also mentioned in quran(I'm still not clear where). But according to Einstein time is relative, therefor it is just a concept, not something real. Man has invented this concept to measure the rate of change. Now Big Bang Theory much fueled by Einstein's theory of relativity, cannot say that time began with the big bang, since time itself is relative. One can say that big bang happened 5billion years ago, but that is just a relative measure to the movement of earth around sun.

So the question now is, either all muslims cannot understand that time is a relative measure, just a conept made by humans or Allah says he created time, which makes allah inferior to all who actually understand the concept of time. Which one is it?

not something but someone
yes exactly thats wahts we moslem beleive .

should be as following some thing can be created from nothing . Allah exist without a creator

but I or You cannot speak about the beginning of allah as it's become invalid because without time we cannot speak about any beginning or ending.
that's why we moslems say Allah has neither beginning or the ending

You are quite wrong here. Beginning or Ending has nothing to do with time. Beginning or ending does not happen because of time, time is just a measure for it. i.e Change does not happen because of time. Time is a concept used to measure change. You do not grow old because of time. You grow old because you change.

I think when you say 'we muslims', you do not represent all muslims. Because your ideas suggest you have minimum understanding of theory of relativity and it is hard to believe all Muslims are like that.

However it is perfectly all right that you do not understand it. There are many who don't. The important fact I want to highlight is, If it is ok for you to believe that something(Allah) can have no beginning or ending why can't you believe that universe, all of us also has no beginning or ending?(I'm not talking about the Universe afeter Big Bang, I'm talking about pre big bang and everything together). Why should there be creator at all?

 

[hirashgeff]

This is an idea presented by Stephan Hawkings, Not something mentioned in Big Bang Theory.

Anyways coming back to the original question, you said that muslims believe Time was created by Allah, and that you accept the Big Bang Theory since it is also mentioned in quran(I'm still not clear where). But according to Einstein time is relative, therefor it is just a concept, not something real. Man has invented this concept to measure the rate of change. Now Big Bang Theory much fueled by Einstein's theory of relativity, cannot say that time began with the big bang, since time itself is relative. One can say that big bang happened 5billion years ago, but that is just a relative measure to the movement of earth around sun.

So the question now is, either all muslims cannot understand that time is a relative measure, just a concept made by humans or Allah says he created time, which makes Allah inferior to all who actually understand the concept of time. Which one is it?



You are quite wrong here. Beginning or Ending has nothing to do with time. Beginning or ending does not happen because of time, time is just a measure for it. i.e Change does not happen because of time. Time is a concept used to measure change. You do not grow old because of time. You grow old because you change.

I think when you say 'we muslims', you do not represent all muslims. Because your ideas suggest you have minimum understanding of theory of relativity and it is hard to believe all Muslims are like that.

However it is perfectly all right that you do not understand it. There are many who don't. The important fact I want to highlight is, If it is ok for you to believe that something(Allah) can have no beginning or ending why can't you believe that universe, all of us also has no beginning or ending?(I'm not talking about the Universe after Big Bang, I'm talking about pre big bang and everything together). Why should there be creator at all?

Yes Idea of hawking ,but widely accepted. lets keep hawking a side .
how can you define time without space ?

No .I said
You cannot speak about a beginning of something without a measure of time.

Again you are mistaken . time is existing inside this universe. at least as measure of events happened

 

[AncientGlory]

Yes Idea of hawking ,but widely accepted. lets keep hawking a side .

yes but earlier you were saying that above concept is in Big Bang Theory. I asked you where is it mentioned in Big Bang Theory.

how can you define time without space ?

Do you know what you are talking about? Ok educate me, define time with space.

Again you are mistaken . time is existing inside this universe. at least as measure of events happened

I suggest you to look in to special theory of relativity. Time is relative therefor it needs a reference point to be measured. You are going by the assumption that suggests time is universal. In fact all Newtonian physics concepts are derived based on this assumption, and all these laws obey the rules when we consider the frame of earth. Hence this assumption is observable inside this specific frame and we tend to feel time is universal. But when you move out of earth and talk about the whole universe, Newton's laws will no longer be valid and Einstein theories will come in to action. A relative measure is not a real thing but just a relative measure.

Time does not exist inside the universe. It is just a relative concept. What exists is the constant change of things.

 

[AncientGlory]

The important fact I want to highlight is, If it is ok for you to believe that something(Allah) can have no beginning or ending why can't you believe that universe, all of us also has no beginning or ending?(I'm not talking about the Universe afeter Big Bang, I'm talking about pre big bang and everything together). Why should there be creator at all?

You did not answer this question, which is the most important one anyway.

 

[hirashgeff]

You did not answer this question, which is the most important one anyway.

why should i believe universe created by Allah ?
my faith is nothing to do with science but for the sake of the argument

1. big bang - it's clearly stated in quran

Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation)
, before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
2. expansion of universe
YUSUFALI: With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of pace.
PICKTHAL: We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof).

3.ending of universe -Big crunch

The Day that We roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books (completed),- even as We
produced the first creation, so shall We produce a new one: a promise We have undertaken: truly
shall We fulfill it.

4. most impotently the Geometry of the universe
in above verse clearly states scroll rolled up for books
if you Bing it for images then you'll can see it's a like a sheet of a paper .

thats again what modern science say

 

[pubudu_dias]

This is not the end
This is not the beginning
Just a voice like a riot
Rocking every revision
But you listen to the tone
And the violent rhythm
Though the words sound steady
Something emptys within em

We say yeah

With fists flying up in the air
Like we’re holding onto something that’s invisible there
Cuz we’re living at the mercy of the pain and the fear
Until we dead it forget it
Let it all disappear

Waiting for the end to come
Wishing I had strenght to stand
This is not what I had planned
It’s out of my control

Flying at the speed of light
Thoughts were spinning in my head
So many things were left unsaid
It’s hard to let you go

I know what it takes to move on
I know how it feels to lie
All I wanna do is trade this life for something new
Holding on to what I haven’t got

Sitting in an empty room
Trying to forget the past
This was never meant to last
I wish it wasn’t so

What was left when that fire was gone
I thought it felt right but that right was wrong
All caught up in the eye of the storm
And trying to figure out what it’s like moving on

And I don’t even know what kind of things I said
My mouth kept moving and my mind went dead
Picking up those pieces now where to begin
The hardest part of ending is starting again

All I wanna do is trade this life for something new
Holding on to what I haven’t got

This is not the end
This is not the beginning
Just a voice like a riot
Rocking every revision
But you listen to the tone
And the violent rhythm
Though the words sound steady
Something emptys within em

We say yeah

With fists flying up in the air
Like we’re holding onto something that’s invisible there
Cuz we’re living at the mercy of the pain and the fear
Until we dead it forget it
Let it all disappear

 

[ela_eluwa120]

yes but earlier you were saying that above concept is in Big Bang Theory. I asked you where is it mentioned in Big Bang Theory.


Do you know what you are talking about? Ok educate me, define time with space.



I suggest you to look in to special theory of relativity. Time is relative therefor it needs a reference point to be measured. You are going by the assumption that suggests time is universal. In fact all Newtonian physics concepts are derived based on this assumption, and all these laws obey the rules when we consider the frame of earth. Hence this assumption is observable inside this specific frame and we tend to feel time is universal. But when you move out of earth and talk about the whole universe, Newton's laws will no longer be valid and Einstein theories will come in to action. A relative measure is not a real thing but just a relative measure.

Time does not exist inside the universe. It is just a relative concept. What exists is the constant change of things.

Something, lets say X, is relative doesn't mean its unreal. It merely says it makes sense locally.

 

[AncientGlory]

Something, lets say X, is relative doesn't mean its unreal. It merely says it makes sense locally.

True, but not everything. Somethings such as time are just illusions or concepts created to understand the behavior of universe better.

 

[AncientGlory]

why should i believe universe created by Allah ?

No the original question is that you believe Allah always existed, which means somethings can exists without a creator. Why can't universe exist without a creator?

 

[hirashgeff]

No the original question is that you believe Allah always existed, which means somethings can exists without a creator. Why can't universe exist without a creator?

" Allah always existed "it never means "something " .



Why can't universe exist without a creator?
(you are trying to come from negation ) why should i need that question as i already know that allah created the universe

 

[danukapeiris]

" Allah always existed "it never means "something " .



Why can't universe exist without a creator?
(you are trying to come from negation ) why should i need that question as i already know that allah created the universe

then who created allah with that type of power.. he/she should be a more powerful person than him.

if you cant answer to that quiz, that means you are going to say he is the first one. first one created us... so there should be a second one tried one ... like so many gods... agreeing or not ?

any how, who created a person with that kind of person ? can we go to that position if he can exist in that position ? what are the requirements ??

 

[hirashgeff]

then who created allah with that type of power.. he/she should be a more powerful person than him.

if you cant answer to that quiz, that means you are going to say he is the first one. first one created us... so there should be a second one tried one ... like so many gods... agreeing or not ?

any how, who created a person with that kind of person ? can we go to that position if he can exist in that position ? what are the requirements ??

please read the previous replies in this post . i've explained it

 

[AncientGlory]

" Allah always existed "it never means "something " .



Why can't universe exist without a creator?
(you are trying to come from negation ) why should i need that question as i already know that allah created the universe

First of all, there is NO way to know with absolute certainty that GOD exists. It is a belief, that is why it is based on faith. You have a belief that you base on faith, and you believe GOD exists, and you try to justify things with that claim, but there is no proof for GOD's existence.

Secondly, I'm not talking about what you claim to know. I'm just asking you a question of logic. If one can see logic as to something or someone or whatever may have always existed, logically it is ok to assume that some other thing always existed too. So you say allah always existed, fine. But going by that same logic I say we all always existed.

 

[Y2K]

First of all, there is NO way to know with absolute certainty that GOD exists. It is a belief, that is why it is based on faith. You have a belief that you base on faith, and you believe GOD exists, and you try to justify things with that claim, but there is no proof for GOD's existence.

Secondly, I'm not talking about what you claim to know. I'm just asking you a question of logic. If one can see logic as to something or someone or whatever may have always existed, logically it is ok to assume that some other thing always existed too. So you say allah always existed, fine. But going by that same logic I say we all always existed.

after reading all these word I can only say

“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”

So AntientGlory you decide which one is more suits you better (Our God is Unbiased)

 

[ela_eluwa120]

True, but not everything. Somethings such as time are just illusions or concepts created to understand the behavior of universe better.

A concept is not identical to an illusion...there are two different things...what made you think they are same..

 

[AncientGlory]

A concept is not identical to an illusion...there are two different things...what made you think they are same..

What made you think I said they are the same?