I'm Muslim. Ask me anything.

[Zahina Rishad]

Oi....

I can defend those claims but what I'm saying is that even if I provide a good explanation, you will keep on bringing hadeeth after hadeeth showing bad things about Muhammed.

what I am saying is this: I won't become a non-muslim just because of these bad things. These bad things mean nothing to me.

You say "How can one be muslim if the prophet of Islam is a psychopath murderous vioolent p- whatever?"
But that's not the issue.

The issue is whether Muhammed is a prophet or not. You say he can't be a prophet because of all these bad things...but I don't agree.

So what I ask is this: If you want to disprove Islam, don't ask me about hadeeth and stuff.....ask me about evidence that shows the Quran is not the word of any God and/or Muhammed is not a prophet?

Hi, brother.

I think you are embarassing all Muslims here.

If you have a argument to show what Muhammed did is correct, or defend his action then do it! to say that "EVEN IF I BRING YOU A GOOD EXPLANATION YOU WILL BRING MORE HADITHS" is indeed a defeatist attitude and you are indirectly accepting that you are in trouble if you start defending hadiths.

Brother, you cannot say "I dont care" and "I dont agree", or "that is not the issue". No one in this forum is concerned about what YOU care, YOU agree or what YOU think is the issue. You challenged to ask anything, And people have asked what they think are ISSUES for them. You cannot dictate what is a Issue for other people.

 

[තොත්ත බබා]

Q1 ) I have heard there is a teaching in Quran (or some islamic holy rule book ) that they should impose some extra TAXES and charges on Non-Islamic believers.

And I saw in a documentary about IIS that they are doing this already on Iraq Christians who live in IIS ruling areas. ?

Is this true that their is such a teaching by Muhammad ??

Q2 ) When go to jinnah , i have heard that good people suppose to get Land and Virgins (9) ,is this true ? IF so -> is this a part of the ultimate peace targeting by Muslims. Is this after life believe for Eternal.

Q3 ) Is it completely normal or leagal to Kill a prostitute ? What is you'r personal feeling on this ?

Thanks in advance

 

[chanakacm]

තව 3යි ඕනි
හිත හොද අයියට දෙන්න මනාපේ
අපිට කලොත් අපිත් කරනවා
ඔබේ ඉල්ලීම් වලට අපේ අවධානය
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[මාතර ළමයා]

ඇයි බං වදුරු පකෝ තොගේ අල්ලට කියලා ට්‍රාන්ස්ලේට් කරගන්කෝ. නිකං පොන්න ඇඩ් නොදා දෙපාරක් හොල්ලලා අල්ලට පුක පුදලා නිදාගනින්

ඇයි බං ඔච්ච්ර නහින්නෙ ගෙරි හම්බ නබි අවලමා ප්‍රොමෝට් කරන්න ඉස්ලාම් කියන්නෙ ආගමක් ද ?

ඔච්ච්ර දුක් විදගෙන ත්‍රෙඩ් දාගෙන අඩාගෙන ප්‍රමෝට් කරන්න තරම් ඉස්ලාම් කියන්නෙ ආගමක්ද ඒ තරම් වටින දර්ශනයක්ද.

යකෝ තොපේ ඉස්ලාම් හොදයි පඩ යනකොට අඩ තියන්න. අම්මගෙ රෙද්දෙ ආගම මුලු ලෝකෙන් බාගයක් විදවනවා තොපේ ඔය පොන්න අල්ලගෙ ලබ්බෙ පොත නිසා. බලපන් පත්තර බලපන් නිව්ස් අල්ලගෙ බිබික්කම් ආගම හින්දා දවසට අහිංසකයෝ කී දාහක් නහිනවද කියලා

අල්ලා කියපු විදියට ඉදලා
අල්ලා කියපු විදියට කාලා
අල්ලා කියපු විදියට රිලා

තොපිට මොන ලබ්බද හම්බ උනේ ලගින් යන්න බැරි තරම් ඌරු ගද විතරයි

පොන්න හැතිකරේ. යකෝ ඔය පොන්න දෙයියව ප්‍රමෝට්‍ර් කරන වෙලාවෙ හිල නැති උලුදු වඩයක් ප්‍රමෝට් කරපන්

වල් සක්කිලි හැත්ත.

 

[ගයාන් ලක්මාල්]

I'll briefly answer.

We have something called the sunnah of the prophet Muhammed. It's how he did things...his ways and stuff. How he did everything....dressed...urinated....drank...ate....governed.....fought.....taught....slept....breathed......etc etc
Islamic doctrine says that if we do things the way he did it, then we will be rewarded for it. The Quran says to obey the prophet and follow him. So if we follow him it is good for us.
The prophet always drank water while sitting (through in some occasions he stood). So we too try to drink water only while sitting. We called this the sunnah of the prophet and we are rewarded.
There is a difference between commandments and the sunnah. The commandments are an obligation, for example to pray 5 times a day....fast during ramadan etc. This is not sunnah...this is a command.
But sitting down while drinking water or urinating is not a command. God or the prophet didn't say to do it that way. It's just the sunnah - the way the prophet did things. To follow them would be good. But to not follow them would not be harm. There's nothing wrong, islamically speaking, to stand and drink or stand and piss.

So in Islam we have the shariah and the sunnah. The sharia is the set of laws and rules in Islam and is open to interpretation. The sunnah is just a set of recommended rules....but not an obligation or law. So in Islam there is a lot said in how you live your life and stuff. So Islam is not merely a belief system but it is a deen...a way of life. The more rules you have the more God conscious you become and so the more spiritual you get. The muslim knows he's doing these stuff to please God. And these rules mean that God is always in their minds.

There can be many wisdoms/hikma behind the rules like sitting and pissing/urinating. There could be health benefits (there obviously is). But in the edn of the day, it all boils down to the will of God or the command of God or the sunnah or way of the prophet. That's why we do it,.

very clear thanks...........

 

[Salafist]

Q1 ) I have heard there is a teaching in Quran (or some islamic holy rule book ) that they should impose some extra TAXES and charges on Non-Islamic believers.

Those taxes are called jizya. This jizya is imposed on the ahlul-kitab (the people of the book). The people of the book is defined to be the christians, jews and the Sabians. So only these people need to pay these taxes of jizya under an islamic state. Yes, this is mentioned in the Quran....and other islamic texts.

This extra tax is for numerous benefits. The people of the book don't need to pay zakath which the muslims pay (obligatory charity tax - which is higher than the jizya). This jizya also covers their protections, their rights of worship and living etc. As long as these people pay the jizya they are freely allowed to build churches, temples, synagogues and whatever and worship freely.
Also the islamic state would also require it's citizens to do an obligatory military service. Countries such as China and Korea also have this - where every person must work around 2 years in the army. But paying jizya could have this duty wavered...and only non-muslims can have it wavered.
So you see, this jizya isn't unfair in the slight-test.

I reckon in an islamic state...muslims will be paying higher than the non-muslim because zakath (muslim charity tax) percentage is greater than the jizya (non-muslimtax).

And I saw in a documentary about IIS that they are doing this already on Iraq Christians who live in IIS ruling areas. ?

Yes...but the ISIS isn't a real islamic state. They don't have real islamic scholars and kill innocents. They do takfir unfairly....and their theology is deviant.

Is this true that their is such a teaching by Muhammad ??

yep

Q2 ) When go to jinnah , i have heard that good people suppose to get Land and Virgins (9) ,is this true ? IF so -> is this a part of the ultimate peace targeting by Muslims. Is this after life believe for Eternal.

Muslims believe that the life-after-death (after life / akhira) is permanent and eternal.

Yes...good people get land, gardens.

And yes, men get virgins (houris).

Peace? What do you mean by peace? You can interpret peace in many ways. I'm aware that Buddhist believe that the mere state of non-existence (nirvana) is pleasing and peaceful. Life is continuous pain..and when you get nirvana you break loose from the life-cycle (samsara) and get the peace.
Muslims don't believe this.

I'll tell you what "peace" could be in the muslim paradise. Just imagine our Earth was a place without any wars. No one did evil. Everyone did good. All the leaders were good and no oppressors exist. Just imagine how an ideal peaceful-earth would be. It would be peaceful right? Imagine it...and try to make it as much peaceful as you can. What will you do? You will imagine gardens, rivers...trees...no pollution. You will imagine all sorts of things...happiness joy etc.
That is the muslim paradise. And that is peace. But that said, however much you try to imagine a peaceful earth and home..it can't match the real paradise.

Q3 ) Is it completely normal or leagal to Kill a prostitute ? What is you'r personal feeling on this ?

Thanks in advance

Kill? It isn't legal or normal to kill anyone.

But to kill (execute) as a punishment (of death) is allowable but you have to evaluate the crime done by the prostitute. A prostitute fornicates and encourages fornication/adultery. If done is private then I personally feel that no punishment should be given. However if they advertise and make it public etc then you get 4 witnesses and bring the case to a shariah court.
A prostitute, I would say, normally get lashes or a time stay in jail under sharia. If the prostitute is married, then the punishment is death, though it would be rarely carried out.

 

[Salafist]

Hi, brother.

I think you are embarassing all Muslims here.

If you have a argument to show what Muhammed did is correct, or defend his action then do it! to say that "EVEN IF I BRING YOU A GOOD EXPLANATION YOU WILL BRING MORE HADITHS" is indeed a defeatist attitude and you are indirectly accepting that you are in trouble if you start defending hadiths.

Brother, you cannot say "I dont care" and "I dont agree", or "that is not the issue". No one in this forum is concerned about what YOU care, YOU agree or what YOU think is the issue. You challenged to ask anything, And people have asked what they think are ISSUES for them. You cannot dictate what is a Issue for other people.

That "Ask me anything" thing wasn't a challenge or anything of that sort. It was just a request to ask/question me....in a fun way. Why so serious?
Anyway my intention was to clear misconceptions and to help people here understand Islam better.

But that ex-muslim who I was replying with clearly does not have sincere intentions. There isn't any "winner" or "loser" here, and he seems to be trying to "defeat me"...in what??
For me he appears to be trying to dismiss the prophethood of Muhammed because of some controversial "difficult" ahadeeth...which even muslims find it hard to cope with. My idea is that if That was his intentions (to disprove Islam), then for me his approach is wrong, atleast for me. (And I appear to be the only muslim here, so if he wants to disprove Islam to me in that way then it's not going to work) and that's why I was saying that I won't be defending ahadeeth.

Bottom line is those ahadeeth don't dismiss the prophethood of Muhammed (for me). Let me explain.
He takes ahadeeth. He makes the conclusion that Muhammed is (insert claim here) from them. His premise is that prophets of God can't be (insert claim here). So Muhammed is not a prophet of God. Islam is false.
This is the wrong approach to disprove Islam.

Providing a defence for the ahadeeth (if there is any) is time wasting....because it doesn't fulfill the purpose of him and me being here.

So that's what I said..if anyone wants to disprove Islam to me..then prove one of these two things
1. Quran is not the word of a deity.
2. Muhammed is not a prophet. (his characteristics doesn't matter).

But since people are being adamant I shall try to answer him directly. And even if I can't answer them..what does it show? Have I been "defeated"..what do you mean defeated?? In what? Remember these ahadeeth in no way belittles Islam (for me). It is a non-issue.

In other words "I believe in these ahadeeth because I am Muslim....but it is not because of these ahadeeth that I am muslim".
For example, take the hadeeth that says Adam was 40ft. Now he would say that modern science and evolution say that people couldn't have been 40ft at any time. So the hadeeth is wrong.....and is a lie. So Islam is useless and a lie.
BUT now, I believe Adam was 40ft because I am Muslim....and it is not this belief that makes me Muslim. It's just a package deal. If

 

[arsehole-froce]

what is for Islam?

 

[Pani Waraka Ananthaya]

First of all thank you for starting this thread.

My question is, As I know your Islamic teaching says that allah created the world right? Then I have a doubt which is, who created the allah?

 

[Salafist]

Well, untill now you have not defended your beloved prophet or his actions. You have been clearly evading the issue I have raised. I am all ears, why dont you bring it on! DEFEND his actions if you can and show that his actions are indeed, actions of a prophet of God not some loony sadistic killer.'

Ok.

Everytime a prophet was sent, people would disbelieve and mock him and his teachings. They would call him a liar...and would try and kill him. Then God would inflict a punishment to destroy the disbelievers and he would save the muslims. [disbelievers are people who recognize the truth but still choose to disbelieve. All disbelievers are non-muslims but not all non-muslims are disbelievers...during the prophet time there were plenty of disbelievers]

For example consider the prophet Noah. (a prophet of Jews, Christians and muslims). When he preched many people rejected him...and he preached for a long long time. Finally God decided to destroy the disbelievers and save only the believers...so he caused a natural disaster in the form of a flood. This flood drowned all of the rejecting ones. Imagine how many people were killed! Around 20+ million plus I reckon. Maybe more.

So that's that...and that has always been the way of God. When people reject the messenger then he would send a punishment in this world...in the form of a natural disaster. You were a muslim...so you would know about the people of Ard...and samud? They were completely destroyed by an Earthquake (or wind) for rejecting the prophets.

But in the case of Muhammed, God didn't punish the disbelievers through natural disasters. Rather he punished them through Muhammed....by giving him military victories in war. So God punished the disbelievers this time, not through natural disasters but through the sword...through Muhammed.
And Muhammed fought so many battles. Some of these the muslims were severely outnumbered...but they were given victory by God...(for instance, the battle of badr.

So that explains the so many battles of Muhammed. And that explains why many people died by his sword. They were disbelievers and EVERYONE OF THEM DESERVED IT.

So no....loony sadistic killer isn't the right words.

Do you believe in the existence of a God?

Wow! here we go.
yeah! 9/11 is nothing to you, Bamiyan buddhas are nothing to you, I bet London 7/7 is nothing to you, and of course Madrid is nothing to you. recent attack on canadaian parliament is nothing to you right! and the boko haram in Nigeria is not bothering you either right?, What ISIS is doing is nothing to you right!

Wait..what!? Why the jump!?

I said those ahadeeth are nothing....but violence to the innocent does bother me. 9/11 is wrong. 7/7 is wrong. Madrid is wrong. Boko haram is severely wrong. I condemn these all. And specially the bamiyan buddha statues. There was certainly no valid islamic reason to do that.
Canadian parliament!?????

And talking about violence to the innocent....what about the rohingya muslims and what the Burmese are doing to them!?

And no.....if you bring up hadeeth that Muhammed seemed to do violence...I would say the victims were sinners and deserved it! And eye for an eye...tooth for a tooth.

But the forgiveness of Muhammed was greater. He forgived so many people....notable when he conquered Mecca. He freed everyone!

So it's like 43982749 incidents of forgiveness. And you bring out 4 incidents of violence. And then conclude that Muhammed is a sadistic killer.

Anyway I don't like this approach. Why don't you criticize the Quran, for one thing?

yea that happens when you follow Shiatan, you become a monster. You cannot decide what is civili and what is barbaric. you have spoken for your self. Thanks, now we see what's wrong with your so called prophet and your crazy religion.

? As I've said I don't see anything wrong. I know it's a subjective issue though.

Heh heh, hey you punk! That is exactly the Issue! How come Muhammed was prophet of God if what he did was work of the devil. dude this is commonsense.

The Quran says that Muhammed is a prophet of God. So why don't I not believe in the Quran?

Muhammed is definitely no prophet of God, that's clear to any one with a ounce of brain, the question is, is he even Human? because his actions are so inhuman I think he is a ghost of Shiatan.

Okay then you're calling more than a billion people in this world as brainless.

Lool...it's not that simple as you think it is.

Ok So Basically you are saying is " I cant defend these hadeeth".
Thats why you have been struggling to defend his actions all this time.
Thanks for accepting defeat.

Is that why you've asked? You wanted to defeat me? In what?

see, I don't like replying to people like you. If you're asking ask sincerely. With the intention of receiving a answer. And being satisfied. If you ask it as a challenge then no, I don't have debate in my mind. I give you whatever you want from me. If it's an answer then I will answer. If it's to "defeat" me then I will give you victory. That's true mannerism...which you lack. You're rude, arrogant and close-minded. People like you deserve no response. I've had enough experience with unsincere guys like you who are anything but seeking an answer. Their hearts are truly sealed. These oft-sinning people deserve it from God.

Anyway, if you're challenging my faith, don't base your accusations on traits or charactericts of Muhammed which you've picked up reading a couple of hadeeth. I will accept that Muhammed is barbaric only from a person who has studied his life, and not just a few ahadeeth. Generalizations isn't enough. Give me real arguments and evidence and proof.
If you cannot, and you surely cannot, then I won't scoff, mock or belittle...You wqill get that soon anyway.

 

[Salafist]

what is for Islam?

What's for Islam?

Can you be more specific?

 

[Salafist]

First of all thank you for starting this thread.

My question is, As I know your Islamic teaching says that allah created the world right? Then I have a doubt which is, who created the allah?

Well..it's meaningless to ask "Who created Allah". It's like asking for the number-plate of a house. The number-plate isn't in the definition of a house.

Let me explain.

You can divide things into 3 categories.

1. God. (His essence)
2. God's command.
3. God's creation.

God is uncreated and eternal. In fact you can't even tell that "God is eternal" because that's also meaningless. I'll explain.

God's command is uncreated and eternal. God's command are his Word and his Speech, his Attributes and so on. God created things using His Word. The Quran (and other revelation) is His Speech. Thus the Quran is also eternal and uncreated.

God's creation is created and Not eternal. Some of his creation has an infinite future, not all created things Does not have an infinite past.

Thus it's very similar to Christian theology, except that most christians would call God as The father, God's Word as Jesus (Son of God), and God's presence in creation as the Holy Spirit.

But anyways only the third category, God's creation, has dimensions. It has space and time. God doesn't occupy space nor time. Characteristics of space and time are meaningless when describing God. We can't say God is for eternity, because "eternity" itself is part of God's creation. Time and space itself belongs to the third category, which is God's creation.

So God is dimensionless. He is timeless. His knowledge, power, hearing and sight is everywhere ALL the time. Thus God is not restricted by Time.
We humans are of God's creation. So we will find it extremely or infact impossible to understand God fully. For us, we imagine that we are going "forwards" in time. But a dimensionless being doesn't need to go "forward" in time interms of his presence. He can go forward, backward, even sideways. (by pausing time in our dimension and creating another time dimension to change state). So if God wanted to change state or move, he can change states without a change of time. (by creating another time dimension). We humans explain a change of state of God in that way, but God might not do it that way. We do not exactly know how.

But true islamic doctrine states that God's knowledge, hearing, sight and power is enerywhere. In All space. In All time. Everywhere...All the time.
But his presence is not among any dimensions. He is not present in creation. Does not mingle or mix with us...unlike the Holy Spirit. Islamic doctrine says that it's not befitting for Allah to restrict himself into dimensions, by coming into our world. Thus the Quran says that Allah is above creation, above the heavens. In a sense that does not involve space nor time. (though the Quran says "above" but it really could be intepreted as meaning "outside"...but "High" in the sense that's is not befitting for his majesty to lower himself by coming into creation). But Allah, and I am again saying this, Allah doesn't need to be permeating through creation to exercise power, hearing and sight among the creation. He can do it without this.

So as you see, it's completely meaningless to ask who created Allah.
It also would lead to a continuing list of endless questions...it has to end somewhere. You could end it with the bigbang...and claim that the cause of the bigbang is uncreated....but I say the cause of the Big bang is God...and God is uncreated,

 

[tuwanriyas]

ඉස්ලාම් ඔච්ච්ර සුන්දරනම් . ඇයි තම්බි තම්බි මරාගන්නේ . අල්ලා තම්බි වර්ග දෙකක් මැව්වද. උන්ට පොත් දෙකක් ලිව්වද

ඇයි අල්ලට කොන කපලම මවන්ඩ බැරි උනේ

මුස්ලිම් 80% වැඩි හැම රටේම උන් බිජ්ජ සාක්කුවෙ දාගෙන බෝම්බෙ අතේ තියාගෙන ඉන්නෙ ඇයි.

නබියා පොඩි උන් ඇදට ගත්තෙ ඇයි. මුලු ලොකේ අනික් හැම ජාතියක්ම අවුරුදු 8 ක ලමයෙක් එක්ක ලිංගික ඇසුර බාලාපරාධයක් වගෙම අසික්කිත වැඩක් කියලා තරයේ කියනකොට නබි අවලමා සහ ගෙරි හම්බයෝ විතරක් ඒක පිලි නොගෙන පොඩි කෙල්ලෝ ඇදට ගන්නෙ ඇයි දෙයියන්නාසෙගෙ කැමත්තටද තියන පාහර අවලං කමටද.

මුස්ලිම් උන්ව ලෝකෙ අනිත් උන්ට මේ තරම් පේන්ඩ බැරි පිලිකුල් කරන්නෙ ඇයි.

උන්ගෙ තියන පොන්න කමටද . නැත්තං අප්පිරියාවටද

අන්තිම ප්‍රශ්නේ මුස්ලිම් කියලා තිරිසන්නු ජාතියක් ලෝකෙට පහල උනේ ඇයි. තොපේ කරුමෙටද. අපේ කරුමෙටද.

6-155. මෙය (අල්-කුර්ආනය) ධර්ම ග‍්‍රන්ථයකි. මෙය පහළ කළේ අපමය. (මෙය) ආශිර්වාදයක්ද වේ. එමනිසා එය අනුගමනය කරනු. තවද නුඹලා (අල්ලාහ්ට) බියබැතිමත් වනු. එමගින් නුඹලාට දයාලූභාවය ලැබිය හැකියි.
6-156. ධර්ම ග‍්‍රන්ථ පහළ කරනු ලැබ ඇත්තේ අපට පෙර විසූ දෙපිරිසකටය. (එනම් යුදෙව් හා කි‍්‍රස්තියානි ජන සමාජයයි.) ඔවුන් එමගින් ඉගෙනගත් දෑ ගැන අපි නොදනිමුයි කියා (නුඹලා මින්පසු) නොකියනු පිණිසය.
6-157. නැතහොත් අප වෙත ධර්ම ග‍්‍රන්ථය පහළ කරන ලද්දේ නම් සැබවින්ම ඔවුනට වඩා හොඳින් අපි යහමඟ ලැබුවෝ වන්නෙමුයි නුඹලා නොකියනු පිණිසද (මෙම අල්-කුර්ආනය නුඹලා වෙත අපි පහළ කෙළෙමු.) නියත වශයෙන්ම නුඹලාගේ රබ්(පරමාධිපති) වෙතින් පැහැදිලි සාක්ෂියක්ද යහමඟද ආශිර්වාදයද නුඹලාට ලැබී ඇත.
ඒ නිසා අල්ලාහ්ගේ ආයාත් (වදන්-අණපනත්) බොරුයැයි කියා එයට පිටුපාන අයට වඩා වැරදිකරුවෝ කවුරුහුද? (ක්‍රෝධය නිසා) අපගේ ආයාත්වලට පිටුපාන අයට ඔවුන්ගේ පිටුපෑම නිසා අපි දරුණුතම වේදනාව පමුණුවන්නෙමු.
6-159. තම දහම භේද භින්න කරගෙන නිකායවලට පත්වූ අය සමඟ නුඹ(ට) කිසිම සම්බන්ධයක් නැත. නියත වශයෙන්ම ඔවුන්ගේ කරුණ අල්ලාහ් වෙතය. ඔවුන් කරමින් සිටි දැය ගැන ඔවුනට (අල්ලාහ්) පසුව දන්වන්නේය.
6-160. යමකු යහපත රැුගෙන පැමිණියහොත් ඔහුට එවැනි දැයෙන් දස ගුණයක් ඇත. යමකු අයහපත රැුගෙන පැමිණියහොත් ඔහුට එවැන්නක්ම මිස ඵල විපාක නොදෙනු ලැබේ. ඔවුනට කිසිදු අසාධාරණයක් සිදුකරනු නොලැබේ.
6-161. නියත වශයෙන්ම මාගේ රබ්(පරමාධිපති) මා සෘජු මාර්ගයේ පත් කළේය. (එය) සදා සත්‍ය මාර්ගයයි. අසත්‍යයෙන් බැහැර වූ ඉබ‍්‍රාහීම්ගේ ආගමයි. ඔහු ආදේශ තබන්නන්ගෙන් කෙනෙක් නොවීයැයි (නබි මුහම්මද්) පවසනු.
6-162. නියත වශයෙන්ම මාගේ සලාතය(නැමදුම) මාගේ පුද පූජාවන් මාගේ ජීවිතය හා මාගේ මරණය රබ්බුල් ආලමීන් (විශ්වයාධිපති) වූ අල්ලාහ්ටමයැයි (නබි මුහම්මද්) පවසනු.

 

[Pani Waraka Ananthaya]

Well..it's meaningless to ask "Who created Allah". It's like asking for the number-plate of a house. The number-plate isn't in the definition of a house.

Let me explain.

You can divide things into 3 categories.

1. God. (His essence)
2. God's command.
3. God's creation.

God is uncreated and eternal. In fact you can't even tell that "God is eternal" because that's also meaningless. I'll explain.

God's command is uncreated and eternal. God's command are his Word and his Speech, his Attributes and so on. God created things using His Word. The Quran (and other revelation) is His Speech. Thus the Quran is also eternal and uncreated.

God's creation is created and Not eternal. Some of his creation has an infinite future, not all created things Does not have an infinite past.

Thus it's very similar to Christian theology, except that most christians would call God as The father, God's Word as Jesus (Son of God), and God's presence in creation as the Holy Spirit.

But anyways only the third category, God's creation, has dimensions. It has space and time. God doesn't occupy space nor time. Characteristics of space and time are meaningless when describing God. We can't say God is for eternity, because "eternity" itself is part of God's creation. Time and space itself belongs to the third category, which is God's creation.

So God is dimensionless. He is timeless. His knowledge, power, hearing and sight is everywhere ALL the time. Thus God is not restricted by Time.
We humans are of God's creation. So we will find it extremely or infact impossible to understand God fully. For us, we imagine that we are going "forwards" in time. But a dimensionless being doesn't need to go "forward" in time interms of his presence. He can go forward, backward, even sideways. (by pausing time in our dimension and creating another time dimension to change state). So if God wanted to change state or move, he can change states without a change of time. (by creating another time dimension). We humans explain a change of state of God in that way, but God might not do it that way. We do not exactly know how.

But true islamic doctrine states that God's knowledge, hearing, sight and power is enerywhere. In All space. In All time. Everywhere...All the time.
But his presence is not among any dimensions. He is not present in creation. Does not mingle or mix with us...unlike the Holy Spirit. Islamic doctrine says that it's not befitting for Allah to restrict himself into dimensions, by coming into our world. Thus the Quran says that Allah is above creation, above the heavens. In a sense that does not involve space nor time. (though the Quran says "above" but it really could be intepreted as meaning "outside"...but "High" in the sense that's is not befitting for his majesty to lower himself by coming into creation). But Allah, and I am again saying this, Allah doesn't need to be permeating through creation to exercise power, hearing and sight among the creation. He can do it without this.

...it has to end somewhere. You could end it with the bigbang...and claim that the cause of the bigbang is uncreated....but I say the cause of the Big bang is God...and God is uncreated,

So if u want to end of such a question somewhere you will end it by pointing at god. you say cause of the big bang is god, but you ignore to question the cause of the god. That is Because your faith or the command given by the god(as you told) makes you ignorant to think beyond the god.

 

[Salafist]

So if u want to end of such a question somewhere you will end it by pointing at god. you say cause of the big bang is god, but you ignore to question the cause of the god. That is Because your faith or the command given by the god(as you told) makes you ignorant to think beyond the god.

Did you read my previous post? In that, I explained why I think God is not a created "thing". He is not of the creation. He has no space. No time. He is dimensionless....so why would he need to have been created..when time itself is a creation?

Indeed...you have to end it somewhere. I end it with God. The cause of God is meaningless. Where do you end it? Bigbang? What do you think cause the bigbang? And what caused the cause of the bigbang? And what caused the cause of the cause of the bigbang? And so on!?

 

[GuneBhai]

Did you read my previous post? In that, I explained why I think God is not a created "thing". He is not of the creation. He has no space. No time. He is dimensionless....so why would he need to have been created..when time itself is a creation?

Indeed...you have to end it somewhere. I end it with God. The cause of God is meaningless. Where do you end it? Bigbang? What do you think cause the bigbang? And what caused the cause of the bigbang? And what caused the cause of the cause of the bigbang? And so on!?

Answer my queries boy...? Don't you have any answers?

 

[Salafist]

6-155. මෙය (අල්-කුර්ආනය) ධර්ම ග‍්‍රන්ථයකි. මෙය පහළ කළේ අපමය. (මෙය) ආශිර්වාදයක්ද වේ. එමනිසා එය අනුගමනය කරනු. තවද නුඹලා (අල්ලාහ්ට) බියබැතිමත් වනු. එමගින් නුඹලාට දයාලූභාවය ලැබිය හැකියි.
6-156. ධර්ම ග‍්‍රන්ථ පහළ කරනු ලැබ ඇත්තේ අපට පෙර විසූ දෙපිරිසකටය. (එනම් යුදෙව් හා කි‍්‍රස්තියානි ජන සමාජයයි.) ඔවුන් එමගින් ඉගෙනගත් දෑ ගැන අපි නොදනිමුයි කියා (නුඹලා මින්පසු) නොකියනු පිණිසය.
6-157. නැතහොත් අප වෙත ධර්ම ග‍්‍රන්ථය පහළ කරන ලද්දේ නම් සැබවින්ම ඔවුනට වඩා හොඳින් අපි යහමඟ ලැබුවෝ වන්නෙමුයි නුඹලා නොකියනු පිණිසද (මෙම අල්-කුර්ආනය නුඹලා වෙත අපි පහළ කෙළෙමු.) නියත වශයෙන්ම නුඹලාගේ රබ්(පරමාධිපති) වෙතින් පැහැදිලි සාක්ෂියක්ද යහමඟද ආශිර්වාදයද නුඹලාට ලැබී ඇත.
ඒ නිසා අල්ලාහ්ගේ ආයාත් (වදන්-අණපනත්) බොරුයැයි කියා එයට පිටුපාන අයට වඩා වැරදිකරුවෝ කවුරුහුද? (ක්‍රෝධය නිසා) අපගේ ආයාත්වලට පිටුපාන අයට ඔවුන්ගේ පිටුපෑම නිසා අපි දරුණුතම වේදනාව පමුණුවන්නෙමු.
6-159. තම දහම භේද භින්න කරගෙන නිකායවලට පත්වූ අය සමඟ නුඹ(ට) කිසිම සම්බන්ධයක් නැත. නියත වශයෙන්ම ඔවුන්ගේ කරුණ අල්ලාහ් වෙතය. ඔවුන් කරමින් සිටි දැය ගැන ඔවුනට (අල්ලාහ්) පසුව දන්වන්නේය.
6-160. යමකු යහපත රැුගෙන පැමිණියහොත් ඔහුට එවැනි දැයෙන් දස ගුණයක් ඇත. යමකු අයහපත රැුගෙන පැමිණියහොත් ඔහුට එවැන්නක්ම මිස ඵල විපාක නොදෙනු ලැබේ. ඔවුනට කිසිදු අසාධාරණයක් සිදුකරනු නොලැබේ.
6-161. නියත වශයෙන්ම මාගේ රබ්(පරමාධිපති) මා සෘජු මාර්ගයේ පත් කළේය. (එය) සදා සත්‍ය මාර්ගයයි. අසත්‍යයෙන් බැහැර වූ ඉබ‍්‍රාහීම්ගේ ආගමයි. ඔහු ආදේශ තබන්නන්ගෙන් කෙනෙක් නොවීයැයි (නබි මුහම්මද්) පවසනු.
6-162. නියත වශයෙන්ම මාගේ සලාතය(නැමදුම) මාගේ පුද පූජාවන් මාගේ ජීවිතය හා මාගේ මරණය රබ්බුල් ආලමීන් (විශ්වයාධිපති) වූ අල්ලාහ්ටමයැයි (නබි මුහම්මද්) පවසනු.

We have revealed this Book, similar to the Book given to Musa, as a blessing; therefore, follow it and adopt a Godfearing attitude so that you may receive mercy. Lest you say: "The Book was revealed only to two parties before us and we were unaware of what they read," or lest you say: "If the Book had been revealed to us, we could have followed its guidance better than them," a veritable sign has now come to you from your Rabb as a guidance and mercy. Who then is more unjust than the one who denies the revelations of Allah and turns away from them? Very soon those who turn away from Our revelations will face dreadful punishment for their aversion. Are they waiting for the angels or your Rabb to come down to them or are they waiting to be given a certain sign of your Rabb! On the Day when that certain sign of your Rabb appears, the belief will not profit that soul which did not believe before, or who, while professing to believe did not do good deeds. Say to them: "Wait if you will; we too are waiting." Those who divide the religion into sects are not Muslims
Surely those who divide the religion into sects and identify themselves as a sect, O Muhammad, you have nothing to do with them. Their case will be called to account by Allah Himself, He will inform them as to what they did. Whoever does one good deed, he will be given credit for ten similar good deeds, and whoever does one bad deed will be punished for only one, and no one will be treated unjustly.
O Muhammad, tell them: "As for me, surely my Rabb has guided me to the Right Way, the ever true Deen, the faith of Ibrahim (Abraham) the upright and he was not of the mushrikin." Also declare: "Surely my Salah, my devotion, my life, and my death are all for Allah the Rabb of the Worlds. [Quran 6:155-162]

 

[Salafist]

Answer my queries boy...? Don't you have any answers?

Err...I thought I answered them.

What do you want answering?

 

[Pani Waraka Ananthaya]

Did you read my previous post? In that, I explained why I think God is not a created "thing". He is not of the creation. He has no space. No time. He is dimensionless....so why would he need to have been created..when time itself is a creation?

I read your previous comment. But your points are just beautiful words (e.g: timeless), It is just your faith is speaking. your Beautiful words are not supported with evidence in order to prove god is dimensionless.

Indeed...you have to end it somewhere. I end it with God. The cause of God is meaningless. Where do you end it? Bigbang? What do you think cause the bigbang? And what caused the cause of the bigbang? And what caused the cause of the cause of the bigbang? And so on!?

Exactly as I thought you end it with the god. It is because your faith stops you to go beyond that point. If you go beyond that point you will end up with either of the two probable answers below.

1. There is no god
or
2. God is not the ultimate creator

May be you already know this, But you don't want to accept either of them because of your faith on Islam. If you accept either of above, it will dissolve the basis of the Islam which you people believe as the teaching of the god. I don't want to insult your religion. I too respect some parts of the Islam. But some parts of the Islam are seems not logical and right(ethical).

But what I wanted to tell you is that just don't rely on the faith. Be rational. Gain new knowledge and experience too. Listen to others ideas too. Then understand your religion without using faith. Replace faith with the brain and Use your brain to understand your (or any) religion. Then you can choose the good and bad in your (or any) religion and follow the good part of it.

 

[Salafist]

I read your previous comment. But your points are just beautiful words (e.g: timeless), It is just your faith is speaking. your Beautiful words are not supported with evidence in order to prove god is dimensionless.



Exactly as I thought you end it with the god. It is because your faith stops you to go beyond that point. If you go beyond that point you will end up with either of the two probable answers below.

1. There is no god
or
2. God is not the ultimate creator

May be you already know this, But you don't want to accept either of them because of your faith on Islam. If you accept either of above, it will dissolve the basis of the Islam which you people believe as the teaching of the god. I don't want to insult your religion. I too respect some parts of the Islam. But some parts of the Islam are seems not logical and right(ethical).

But what I wanted to tell you is that just don't rely on the faith. Be rational. Gain new knowledge and experience too. Listen to others ideas too. Then understand your religion without using faith. Replace faith with the brain and Use your brain to understand your (or any) religion. Then you can choose the good and bad in your (or any) religion and follow the good part of it.

No lol.

I have thought about this indepth and I know of what you're speaking. But your thinking is shallow, think beyond this. Don't assume that you could THINK beyond this, because your intellect is limited...you might not have the brains to understand everything. Your intellect is fallible...it is not always correct.
It's like I'm going and telling a monkey in the middle of a jungle that the Earth is round and spherical like an egg or apple or tennis ball...The monkey will think that I am bad and he will say (if he could talk to humans).."Are you stupid? Can't you see the Earth is flat....climb this tree and look...you will see the ends of the world...The earth is a flat disk!" and so the monkey won't be able to imagine a spherical Earth. If the monkey is wise...he will admit that his intellect is not all-powerful and will believe that the Earth is a ball-like sphere even though he would not be able to understand the scientific evidence for it, that I would present to him.

As muslms we believe that Life is a test of faith and not a test of rational reasoning or intellect or how well we understand evidence. We aren't tested by our brains...rather it's our faith that is being tested. Islam is not all about evidence for God and belief etc...you need to have some faith to believe in it.....however small it is...it is this faith that is tested by life. Whether we hang onto it or lose go of it....and this depends on our attitude. For instance, If we are arrogant we will leave go of the faith.

I don't believe that there is ultimate proof to prove with 100% certainty that Islam or any other religion is true. Even a belief system such as atheism could be wrong - What If a possible God withhold all evidence leading to him so that he could test our faith and not our ability to understand evidence? If the latter is being tested..then uneducated people won't be able to pass the test and so they would fail...hence it would be unfair. You cannot be sure thatscience or the scientific method or your observation power is infallible. It might get wrong.

Anyway you don't understand why I said God is dimensionless (spaceless and timeless). See here...we have to end the question somewhere. For example I would say that the cause of the universe if the bigbang. And now I would have to state the cause of the bigbang...and then so on.
But it can't just go to infinity...you have to end it somewhere. Now to end it...you need to end it with a dimensionless thing. Otherwise it would have to go on..because any being with dimensions must have been created. A dimensionless being need no creator. So I call whatever ends this series as God. This is deism. But Í go further and say that this God is a personal God.

How would you answer the question...Do you believe that the universe is uncreated and eternal? What caused the bigbang?