සන්සාරය?!?!

[Fiona Dabare]

Did you follow the 8 fold path,how did you become sowan just by this view?what was the method

right-view is the start. the rest manifest simultaneously.

 

[Lovtus]

right-view is the start. the rest manifest simultaneously.

what is the right view?

 

[Emios]

right-view is the start. the rest manifest simultaneously.

Nothing to do in the first place was your right view?

 

[Fiona Dabare]

What Lord Buddah has said

Lord Buddha himself is sakkaya-ditti to you. And what has been told by Lord Buddha is sakkaya-ditti as well.

But pointing to the opposite extreme is still within wrong view—truth lies beyond both ends.

yup, and still it's a knowledge to you and therefore sakkaya-ditti.

Did you do kayanupassana?What was the method to become sowan?

There's a metaphor that Lord Buddha has said,
"පිහිටාත් නොපිහිටාත් ඕගය තරනය කලා" or something.
And as I told you earlier when you asked "What's right-viewing", Lokouttara things cannot be objectified or written.

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what is the right view?

Right-View is the ability to recognize Wrong-View as Wrong-View.
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Nothing to do in the first place was your right view?

*Who* does *what*?
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[Lovtus]

Lord Buddha himself is sakkaya-ditti to you. And what has been told by Lord Buddha is sakkaya-ditti as well.




yup, and still it's a knowledge to you and therefore sakkaya-ditti.

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You may at a fix point that any kind of knowledge is just so called Sakkaya-ditti and that's not the real fact bro

 

[Fiona Dabare]

You may at a fix point that any kind of knowledge is just so called Sakkaya-ditti and that's not the real fact bro

No facts in Damma. No way to factualize Loukottora.
And yep, any kind of knowledge is sakkaya-ditti to a prutugjana.

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@Lovtus @Yeezus @Emios
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[Lovtus]

No facts in Damma. No way to factualize Loukottora.
And yep, any kind of knowledge is sakkaya-ditti to a prutugjana.

not always. sakkaya ditti is the wrong view that there is a permanent, unchanging "self" (atta) within the pancha upadaskanda. it clings to one or more of these pancha upadaskanda as "This is me, this is mine, or this is my self." and every unenlightened people cannot be regarded as prutugjana

 

[Emios]

No facts in Damma. No way to factualize Loukottora.
And yep, any kind of knowledge is sakkaya-ditti to a prutugjana.

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I dont know ban.i feel like we are turning buddhism to ramana maharishi,zen pathway.I dont know if its the ultimate truth.There was no i in the first place.its all one.never exicted.

 

[Fiona Dabare]

not always. sakkaya ditti is the wrong view that there is a permanent, unchanging "self" (atta) within the pancha upadaskanda. it clings to one or more of these pancha upadaskanda as "This is me, this is mine, or this is my self." and every unenlightened people cannot be regarded as prutugjana

Thease all are just *knowledge* you have constructed from perceptions. (panchaupadanaskanda)

There have been *things* you perceived, *you* who perceived and *knowledge* you have constructed, means there have been permanent, unchanging self, things and constructions.

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I dont know ban.i feel like we are turning buddhism to ramana maharishi,zen pathway.I dont know if its the ultimate truth.There was no i in the first place.its all one.never exicted.

and you would never know for sure
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[Emios]

It seems like a very easy theory.I was an illusion nothing was there to do in the first place.All is a dream appearing on screen because of the identification of i.The dream and screen are one and the same.

 

[Fiona Dabare]

It seems like a very easy theory.I was an illusion nothing was there to do in the first place.All is a dream appearing on screen because of the identification of i.The dream and screen are one and the same.

you saw *it* *like a easy theory*..
yep ignorance

 

[Lovtus]

Thease all are just *knowledge* you have constructed from perceptions. (panchaupadanaskanda)

There have been *things* you perceived, *you* who perceived and *knowledge* you have constructed, means there have been permanent, unchanging self, things and constructions.

you're kidding here as I guess! everybody must be unconscious if that is even worldly true there are two diffrent things we have to take in to account that are "arya magga" and "arya phala". an unenlightened person who has already begun the path to liberation is NOT a pruthagjana and his ditti is NOT sakkaya ditti.

 

[Fiona Dabare]

you're kidding here as I guess! everybody must be unconscious if that is even worldly true

yep, free to have any opinion

an unenlightened person who has already begun the path to liberation is NOT a pruthagjana and his ditti is NOT sakkaya ditti.

Path begins from Samma-Ditti/ Right-View.
So yes, one who already in the path has Right-View indeed.
And ofc, he is no longer a prutugjana.

 

[Emios]

Ramana maharshi said everything is predetermind.Do you beleive that?if not dharma is not one.

 

[Fiona Dabare]

Do you beleive

nop

 

[Emios]

nop

Then how come dharma is same.He saw the reality as it is.You even quoted his last words

 

[Fiona Dabare]

Then how come dharma is same.He saw the reality as it is.You even quoted his last words

Damma is Loukottora.
The reality is Nibbana. Nothing which *exists* or *doesn't exist* is there to be seen and *no one* who sees.

 

[Emios]

Damma is Loukottora.
The reality is Nibbana. Nothing which exists or doesn't exist is there to be seen and no one who sees.

Then why did he said like that.

 

[Fiona Dabare]

Then why did he said like that.

for the sake of බහුජන හිතාය බහුජන සුකාය.

 

[Emios]

for the sake of බහුජන හිතාය බහුජන සුකාය.

Its rhe same as gods will.everything is predetermind.you are not the doer anyway.everything unfolding as it should