දෙනෙත් විවරව මියගිය මිනිසා, අර්නස්ටෝ චේ ග&#354

[yasas bandara]

ඔහු වීරයෙක් නොවන්නේ අධිරාජ්‍යවාදී ධනපතීන් පමනයි.

හොඳයි දැන් ඉතාම දුප්පත් මනුස්සයෙක් ඉන්නවා, ඔහු පරමාණු බෝම්බ වලට විරුද්ධයි.. ජපානයට පරමාණු බෝම්බ දාපු ඇමරිකානු බලධාරීන් ඔහුගේ පිළිකුලට පත් වෙනවා.

දැන් ඒ මනුස්සය කොහොමද කියන්නේ පරමාණු බෝම්බ වෙනුවෙන් පෙනී හිටපු චේ වීරයෙක් කියලා?

මානව දයාව කියන්නේ මිනිස්සුන්ගේ වැඩේ කෙරෙනවා නම් සෙසු ප්‍රාණීන්ට (අනික් සත්වයන්ට හා ජීවීන්ට ), ගහකොල වලට හෙන ගහල ගියත් කමක් නෑ කියන එකට. (ඒක බෞද්ධ සංකල්පයක් නෙවේ. බෞද්ධයන්ට තියෙන්නේ සියළු සතුන් කෙරෙහි කරුණාව විතරයි.)

මානව දයාව කියන්නේ ඉතාම පහත් ප්‍රාථමික සංකල්පයක් විතරයි. නමුත් මිනිසුන් මතවාද අනුව දෙකට බෙදල එක කොටසකට දයාව දැක්වීමත් තවත් කොටසකට වෛරය දැක්වීමත් මානව දයාව නෙවෙයි.

චේ ඉන්නේ මේ ප්‍රාථමික මානව දයාව කියන සංකල්පයටත් පහළින්.. ඔහුට මානව දයාව තිබුනා කියන්නේ බොරුවක් විතරයි.

මම විරුද්ධ වෙන්නේ චේ වීරයෙක් විදිහට සලකන එකට නෙවෙයි. එහෙම කරන අයගේ දෙබිඩි පිළිවෙතටයි.

උදා-
1. මානව හිමිකම් වෙනුවෙන් පෙනී සිටින අයත් කියනවා චේ වීරයෙක් කියලා - තමන්ට කැමති මතවාදයක් දරණ එක මූලිකම මිනිස් අයිතිවාසිකමක්. එතකොට කෙනෙකුට ධනවාදී අදහස් දරන්න අයිතියක් නැද්ද? එහෙම මිනිස්සු මරන එක වීරකමක් වෙන්නේ කොහොමද?

2. පරමාණු බෝම්බ වලට විරුද්ධ අය කියනවා චේ වීරයෙක් කියලා - චේ කියන්නේ පරමාණු බෝම්බ දාල මිලියන ගනන් මිනිස්සු මරල නව ලෝකයක් ගොඩනැගිය යුතුයි කියල ප්‍රසිද්ධියේ කියපු කෙනෙක්.

3. යුද්ධයකදී කුඩා ළමුන් ඝාතනය නොකළ යුතුයි කියන අය කියනවා චේ වීරයෙක් කියලා - චේ අවු 14ක ළමයෙක් ඔත්තු සැපයීමේ චෝදනාව මත වෙඩි තියල දැම්ම කියල ඔවුන් දන්නේ නැතිව ඇති.

ඒ මදිවට මට වරක් හමුවුනා චේ ට වඳින සමලිංගික අයිතිවාසිකම් වෙනුවෙන් පෙනී සිටින කෙනෙකුත්... මේ මිනිස්සුන්ට පිස්සුද දන්නේ නැහැ.

චේ ට ගරු කරනවා නම් ඉස්සෙල්ලම ඔහුගේ මතවාද වෙනුවෙන් පෙනී සිටින්න....

 

[gimhanmax]

චේ ඔබ සදා අමරණියයි...................

 

[sweets]

chegavera was sent here by aliens.He was accomplishing a command ordered by aliens.

 

[senarath]

Che viplawawadiyek. ithin anith pile soldaduwan ohu athin gathanayata lak wennathi. eth cheyi kastroyi cubanu viplawaya kare samanya janathawa ekata ada ganne nathuwa. uba oya kiyala thiyenawa wage cuban revolution eke samanya janathawa dahas ganak gathanaya une naha. koheda ehema che athin dahas ganak gathanaya una kiyala kiyala thiyenne?

oya alu duwili mathin nagee hitina kathawata ubata piligatha haki source ekak denna puluwanda? lol. anika oya che ge diary eke ohoma thiyena eke idea eka uba oluwata aran naha. uba kiyanawa wage latin american ratawala che ta hate karanne nam naha. americawe inna cubans lanam castrota hate karanawa. Ubata puluwan eka danaganna cubawata gihin cuban walin cheta banala ubata mulinma gahanne kawuda kiyala balaganna.
anika machan wiplawa karaddi anith ekata mithree kara kara viplawa karanna ba. dan uba hithanawa ape hamudawe un ltte eke unwa maruwe unta mithree kara kara kiyala.

anika dan me sinhala baudayai thamanma kiyaganna un dana thread diha baluwahama mata ubalageyi thalebanlageyi wadi wenasak dakkina naha.

i agree with u bro

 

[senarath]

chegavera was sent here by aliens.He was accomplishing a command ordered by aliens.

 

[askNalinda]

tnx for sharing

 

[yasas bandara]

oya alu duwili mathin nagee hitina kathawata ubata piligatha haki source ekak denna puluwanda?

If the missiles had remained we would have used them against the very heart of America including New York. We must never establish peaceful coexistence. In this struggle to the death between two systems we must gain the ultimate victory. We must walk the path of liberation even if it costs millions of atomic victims.

• As quoted in The Nuclear Deception : Nikita Khrushchev and the Cuban Missile Crisis (2002) by Servando Gonzalez, p. 111

Other Quotes You can read from here. These are published by Che lovers.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Che_Guevara

 

[Silver bird]

If the missiles had remained we would have used them against the very heart of America including New York. We must never establish peaceful coexistence. In this struggle to the death between two systems we must gain the ultimate victory. We must walk the path of liberation even if it costs millions of atomic victims.

• As quoted in The Nuclear Deception : Nikita Khrushchev and the Cuban Missile Crisis (2002) by Servando Gonzalez, p. 111

Other Quotes You can read from here. These are published by Che lovers.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Che_Guevara

yet, U give the source. But honestly I don't care. You can't judge them if you can't understand the rift between cuba and america at that time. You said che massacred thousands of civilians. Can you prove that please?

 

[crazyhorse]

Ela,...........

 

[yasas bandara]

yet, U give the source. But honestly I don't care. You can't judge them if you can't understand the rift between cuba and america at that time. You said che massacred thousands of civilians. Can you prove that please?

The main books describing those are



1. Exposing the Real Che Guevara: And the Useful Idiots Who Idolize Him by Humberto Fontova and


2. The Che Guevara Myth and the Future of Liberty by Alvaro Vargas Llosa


In 1997, Pierre San Martin, a Cuban who was jailed by Che, recalled an incident that happened in 1959.



A 12-14 year old boy, beaten and bloody, had been thrown into the cell with him. The boy said he was there for simply defending his father. The boy was trying to keep his father from being executed. He failed.
Later, the guards came for the boy:


“Near the wall where they conducted the executions, with his hands on his waist, paced from side to side the abominable Che Guevera.


He gave the order to bring the boy first and he ordered him to kneel in front of the wall. We all screamed for them not to commit this crime and we offered ourselves in his place. The boy disobeyed the order with a courage that words can’t express and responded to this infamous character: ‘If you’re going to kill me you’re going to have to do it the way you kill a man, standing, not like a coward, kneeling’


Walking behind the boy, the Che said “Whereupon you are a brave lad….” He unholstered his pistol and shot him in the nape of the neck so that he almost decapitated him."


Once, a mother lobbied Che for mercy on her young son. Che responded by picking up the phone. He ordered the execution to be carried out immediately. He had this mother watch her son executed, so she could stop worrying about her son.


Fontova described the first time Che killed for Fidel:


Fidel Castro ordered the execution of a peasant guerrilla named Eutimio Guerra who he accused of being an informer for Batista’s forces. Castro assigned the killing to his own bodyguard, Universo Sanchez. To everyone’s surprise, Che Guevara — a lowly rebel soldier/medic at the time (not yet a comandante — volunteered to accompany Sanchez and another soldier to the execution site. The Cuban rebels were glum as they walked slowly down the trail in a torrential thunderstorm. Finally the little group stopped in a clearing.


Sanchez was hesitant, looking around, perhaps looking for an excuse to postpone or call off the execution. Dozens would follow, but this was the first execution of a Castro rebel by Castro’s rebels. Suddenly without warning Che stepped up and fired his pistol into Guerra’s temple.



“He went into convulsions for a while and was finally still. Now his belongings were mine.” Che wrote in his Diaries.


Shortly afterwards, Che’s father in Buenos Aires received a letter from his prodigal son. “I’d like to confess, papa’, at that moment I discovered that I really like killing.”


From The Che Guevara Myth and the Future of Liberty by Alvaro Vargas Llosa -



A Cuban prosecutor of the time who quickly defected in horror and disgust named Jose Vilasuso estimates that Che signed 400 death warrants the first few months of his command in La Cabana.



A Basque priest named Iaki de Aspiazu, who was often on hand to perform confessions and last rites, says Che personally ordered 700 executions by firing squad during the period. Cuban journalist Luis Ortega, who knew Che as early as 1954, writes in his book Yo Soy El Che! that Guevara sent 1,897 men to the firing squad.


In his book Che Guevara: A Biography, Daniel James writes that Che himself admitted to ordering “several thousand” executions during the first year of the Castro regime. Felix Rodriguez, the Cuban-American CIA operative who helped track him down in Bolivia and was the last person to question him, says that Che during his final talk, admitted to “a couple thousand” executions. But he shrugged them off as all being of “imperialist spies and CIA agents.


But if you don’t care, why bother?

 

[Silver bird]

yep, those are all true.
cuban americans. they all ways tell the truth. You should have told me in the first place.

 

[yasas bandara]

yep, those are all true.
cuban americans. they all ways tell the truth. You should have told me in the first place.

That’s about the only answer given by Che defenders all around the world for those claims. “All of these are lies, even what Che himself wrote, even what known Che worshipers themselves wrote”.



A very matured answer indeed.


It’s ok to worship him as long as you know what you’re doing. I can totally understand why you’re saying you can’t judge him. I’m only worried about young people who idolize him blindly without knowing a single thing about his character.

 

[Silver bird]

That’s about the only answer given by Che defenders all around the world for those claims. “All of these are lies, even what Che himself wrote, even what known Che worshipers themselves wrote”.



A very matured answer indeed.


It’s ok to worship him as long as you know what you’re doing. I can totally understand why you’re saying you can’t judge him. I’m only worried about young people who idolize him blindly without knowing a single thing about his character.

You honestly don't understand the attitude of the cuban american population towards che. read some reviews of those books. You cannot win a revolution by lectures I think. So according to you, we should also condemn puran appu and gongalegoda banda. After all they killed didn't they.That's also against Buddhism I think. And I don't think Che ever considered himself as a humanitarian. If anybody thinks that then that's their own fault. No revolution was won without bloodshed during and after the revolt. I don't adore or idolize che. But I don't like people who dehumanize him either. And I hate the fact that some people can't understand the social and political situation of latin america at that time. And you're forgetting what che did for the common people of cuba after the revolution. You're all against che. That's my problem. I can think of a few reasons for that but for the sake of not evolving this into a time wasting argument I won't comment on that. And about what che wrote, your misinterpreting what he said.

Lol. Saying someone's immature is a perfect example of being mature.
Read books witten by american cubans about che and castro from the early 60's and 70's and you'll understand why most people laugh at them. Sorry can't remember the exact names of the books.
And I'll idolize che any day over our sinhala buddhist politicians
You're free to think what you want and so am I.

 

[yasas bandara]

“And I don't think Che ever considered himself as a humanitarian.”



“If anybody thinks that then that's their own fault.”




“No revolution was won without bloodshed during and after the revolt.”




As for those books, I only looked at the consistency between the claims and what Che himself told/wrote and what known Che lovers claim/wrote/said.


I found these claims consistent with a person who believed that millions of innocent lives should be sacrificed in a nuclear war for the sake of the prevalence of ‘a system’. Therefore I accepted them when there is no clear evidence to disprove them.


But you believe they are inconsistent and you’re entitled to your opinion.


And you admitted that you don't care about the fact that he believed killing millions of innocent lives with nuclear weapons is ok...


But you'll find that many people do care...


I'm only speaking for those people...

 

[Silver bird]

You kind off skipped some of my questions. I didn't want to comment on this thread any more. But you skipped some questions from my earlier posts as well.
So tell me do you think our soldiers didn't have any hate toward ltte cadres when they fought?
Or what about puran appu. I'm sure he loved the British soldiers
lol
Spies were executed and still can be executed if caught.You can't expect them to let the spies go can you. Please learn more about revolutions. Specially the french revolution. The american revolution also.
It was a war. Honestly I can't imagine what your idea of war is. They weren't using bb guns you know
If you're against che as a sinhala buddhist, like you said yourself. you should be ashamed of the heroes we have idolized for generations also. After all they were sinhala buddhists or atleast pretended to be buddhists. Please find some articles written in 1960's about cuba by americans. You'll see how they stereotyped the cubans. And you ask me to believe books and sources written by american cubans keyword here being american. lol
Che represents communism.
ANd communism here represents the JVP
That's your real problem. That's why you were so quick to jump into this thread.
bringing Buddhism into everything is just pathetic imho. Buddhism was meant to bring spiritual salvation.Not to be used like this. Like I said before I see no difference between the thaleban and the so called sinhala buddhists. Both groups are extremists.
You come here and say you despise Che because of buddhism, yet you forget our own history.
You're talking about che like he was a sociopath or something and make it look like he was another hitler or something. If you want to know what che meant by the above quotes please read some biographies and auto biographies. Then you'll understand the circumstances and the reasons.He hated capitalism and capitalists. He never denied that. And you'll see that hate manifested many times in his diaries.
There are no black and white characters in the world dude. As a buddhist I'm pretty sure you're supposed to know that.
I don't care if other people care or not. And please explain the the term "those people". I'm pretty interested to know what kind of people you are referring to.Although I'm not going to post in this thread again.
Please compare the pre revolution cuba and cuba's growth over the years after the revolution.Can you honestly say the cubans would have been better off?
My problems is you're trying to dehumanize him without even considering the service he did for the cuban people.
And I'm not a che fanatic. I don't own any che caps or t-shirts.
arios amigos. And I dare you to post a thread about any member of the government pointing out their not so sinhala buddhist actions. That probably ain't going to happen.

 

[Geethmada]

චේ ගුවේරට තියෙන පෙනුමත් මිනිහගෙ තිබ්බ Unique Style 1කත් මිනිහ මේ තරමටම ජනප්‍රිය වෙන්න ගොඩක්ම බලපෑවා....

 

[leolanka]

හොඳයි දැන් ඉතාම දුප්පත් මනුස්සයෙක් ඉන්නවා, ඔහු පරමාණු බෝම්බ වලට විරුද්ධයි.. ජපානයට පරමාණු බෝම්බ දාපු ඇමරිකානු බලධාරීන් ඔහුගේ පිළිකුලට පත් වෙනවා.

දැන් ඒ මනුස්සය කොහොමද කියන්නේ පරමාණු බෝම්බ වෙනුවෙන් පෙනී හිටපු චේ වීරයෙක් කියලා?

පරමාණු බෝම්බ හැදුවේ බෝම්බ දැම්මේ චේගුවෙරා නෙවෙයි.ඇමරිකානුවන්. ඇමරිකානුවන් පරමාණු මිසයිල කියුබාව වෙත දික් කරන කොට චේ ඒ වෙනුවෙන් කතා කිරිම ස්වබාවිකයි.ධනවාදීන් සිය බලගතු අවි පාවිච්චි කරමින් සමාජවාදින්ට පහර දෙන්න උත්සහ කරන විට සමාජවාදින් මෛත්‍රී බාවනා කරයි කියලා උඹ හිතනවද?චේගුවෙරා කිසිම අවස්තාවක පරමානු බෝම්බයක් දාලා තියෙනවද?
ඔහු පහර දුන්නේ හමුදා අනුඛන්ඩ වලට විතරයි.ඔහු අල්කයිඩා වගේ මාර්කට් වල බෝම්බ ගහලා නෑ.

 

[leolanka]

මානව දයාව කියන්නේ මිනිස්සුන්ගේ වැඩේ කෙරෙනවා නම් සෙසු ප්‍රාණීන්ට (අනික් සත්වයන්ට හා ජීවීන්ට ), ගහකොල වලට හෙන ගහල ගියත් කමක් නෑ කියන එකට. (ඒක බෞද්ධ සංකල්පයක් නෙවේ. බෞද්ධයන්ට තියෙන්නේ සියළු සතුන් කෙරෙහි කරුණාව විතරයි.)

මානව දයාව කියන්නේ ඉතාම පහත් ප්‍රාථමික සංකල්පයක් විතරයි. නමුත් මිනිසුන් මතවාද අනුව දෙකට බෙදල එක කොටසකට දයාව දැක්වීමත් තවත් කොටසකට වෛරය දැක්වීමත් මානව දයාව නෙවෙයි.

චේ ඉන්නේ මේ ප්‍රාථමික මානව දයාව කියන සංකල්පයටත් පහළින්.. ඔහුට මානව දයාව තිබුනා කියන්නේ බොරුවක් විතරයි.

චේගා සාමන්‍ය ජනතාව ඉලක්ක කර පහර දුන්නේ නෑ.ඔහු පහර දුන්නේ හමුදා බටයන්ට. චේගාට මානව දයාවක් තිබුනා.ඒක නිසා තමයි ඔහු විදේශ රටක බලු දුක් විඳමින් සූරා කෑමට හසුවු, අන්ත දුගී දුප්පත් කමෙන් සාගතයෙන් පෙලුන ජනතාවක් වෙනුවෙන් සටන් වදින්නේ. ධනවත්, රට හොරා කන එවුන් කෙරෙහි ජම්ම වෛරයක් ඔහු තුල තිබුනා.ඒක සාමන්‍යය පීඩිත ජනතාවට එල්ල වුන වෛරයක් නෙවෙයි.

 

[niko111]

Good post

 

[leolanka]

. මානව හිමිකම් වෙනුවෙන් පෙනී සිටින අයත් කියනවා චේ වීරයෙක් කියලා - තමන්ට කැමති මතවාදයක් දරණ එක මූලිකම මිනිස් අයිතිවාසිකමක්. එතකොට කෙනෙකුට ධනවාදී අදහස් දරන්න අයිතියක් නැද්ද? එහෙම මිනිස්සු මරන එක වීරකමක් වෙන්නේ කොහොමද?

කියුබාවේ ග්‍රාමිය මට්ටම කියන්නේ අපායක්.මිලිටරි ජුන්ටෙක් කරේ බහු ජාතික සමාගම් සහ ධනවතුන් සමග එක් වෙමින් රට සූරා කෑම.රටේ ලමයින්ට අධ්‍යාපනයක් නෑ. ගම්බද ජනතාවට කිසිම සෞඛ්‍යය පහසුකමක් නෑ.බෙහෙත් නෑ. කන්න නෑ.ඒ අතරේ රටේ කීප දෙනෙක් රට හොරකම් කරනවා.මේ තත්වය තුල රටට අවශ්‍ය වෙනසක් කරේ.
චේ කියන්නේ සමාජවාදය පිලිගත් පිරිසක් සමග සටන් කර කෙනෙක්.ඒක නිසා ඔහු සමාජවාදි ප්‍රතිපත්ති රට තුල ඇති කලා.