‘Vegetarianism’

[saharaz]

ISLAMIC METHOD OF SLAUGHTERING ANIMALS APPEARS RUTHLESS

ISLAMIC METHOD OF SLAUGHTERING ANIMALS APPEARS RUTHLESS
Question:
Why do Muslims slaughter the animal in a ruthless manner by torturing it and slowly and painfully killing it?
Answer:
The Islamic method of slaughtering animals, known as Zabiha has been the object of much criticism from a large number of people.
One may consider the following points, which prove that the Zabiha method is not only humane but also scientifically the best:
1. Islamic method of slaughtering animal
Zakkaytum is a verb derived from the root word Zakah (to purify). Its infinitive is Tazkiyah which means purification. The Islamic mode of slaughtering an animal requires the following conditions to be met:
a. Animal should be slaughtered with sharp object (knife) The animal has to be slaughtered with a sharp object (knife) and in a fast way so that the pain of slaughter is minimized.
b. Cut wind pipe, throat and vessels of neck Zabiha is an Arabic word which means ‘slaughtered’. The ‘slaughtering’ is to be done by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord.
c. Blood should be drained The blood has to be drained completely before the head is removed. The purpose is to drain out most of the blood which would serve as a good culture medium for micro organisms. The spinal cord must not be cut because the nerve fibres to the heart could be damaged during the process causing cardiac arrest, stagnating the blood in the blood vessels.
2. Blood is a good medium for germs and bacteria
Blood is a good media of germs, bacteria, toxins, etc. Therefore the Muslim way of slaughtering is more hygienic as most of the blood containing germs, bacteria, toxins, etc. that are the cause of several diseases are eliminated.
3. Meat remains fresh for a longer time
Meat slaughtered by Islamic way remains fresh for a longer time due to deficiency of blood in the meat as compared to other methods of slaughtering.
4. Animal does not feel pain
The swift cutting of vessels of the neck disconnects the flow of blood to the nerve of the brain responsible for pain. Thus the animal does not feel pain. While dying, the animal struggles, writhers, shakes and kicks, not due to pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles deficient in blood and due to the flow of blood out of the body.

 

[saharaz]

[SIZE=+2]Islamic method of Slaughtering animals is better[/SIZE]
...scientific reason...

• [SIZE=-1]Al Shaddad Bin Aous has quoted this tradition of the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H.) "God calls for mercy in everything, so be merciful when you kill and when you slaughter, sharpen your blade to relieve its pain".[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]Many allegations have been made that Islamic slaughter is not humane to animals. However, Professor Schultz and his colleague Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany, proved through an experiment, using an electroencephalograph (EEG) and electrocardiogram (ECG) that *Islamic slaughter is THE humane method of slaughter* and captive bolt stunning, practiced by the Western method, causes severe pain to the animal. The results surprised many.[/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1][/SIZE] [SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]Experimental Details:[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]1. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all animals, touching the surface of thebrain.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]2. The animals were allowed to recover for several weeks.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]3. Some animals were slaughtered by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck cutting the jugular veins and carotid Arteries of both sides; as also the trachea and esophagusHalal Method.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]4. Some animals were stunned using a captive bolt pistol humane slaughter by the western method.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]5. During the experiment, EEG and ECG were recorded on all animals to record the condition of the brain and heart during the course of slaughter and stunning.[/SIZE]
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  [SIZE=-1]Results and Discussion:[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]I - Halal Method[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]1. The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter, thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]2. For the following 3 seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep - unconsciousness. This is due to a large quantity of blood gushing out from the body.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]3. After the above mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]4. As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving maximum blood from the body: resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]II - Western method by C.B.P. Stunning[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]1. The animals were apparently unconscious soon after stunning.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]2. EEG showed severe pain immediately after stunning.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]3. The hearts of the animal stunned by C.B.P. stopped beating earlier as compared to those of the animals slaughtered according to the Halal method resulting in the retention of more blood inthe meat. This in turn is unhygienic for the consumer.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE] [SIZE=-1](Many thanks to Muslim Students Organization - University of Miami)[/SIZE]

 

[Wal Bada]

ISLAMIC METHOD OF SLAUGHTERING ANIMALS APPEARS RUTHLESS

Every killeing is ruthless. When it is done in the name of religion / god / person, it's still more ruthless.

 

[nadeeshaF]

[SIZE=+2]Islamic method of Slaughtering animals is better[/SIZE]
...scientific reason...

• [SIZE=-1]Al Shaddad Bin Aous has quoted this tradition of the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H.) "God calls for mercy in everything, so be merciful when you kill and when you slaughter, sharpen your blade to relieve its pain".[/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]Many allegations have been made that Islamic slaughter is not humane to animals. However, Professor Schultz and his colleague Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany, proved through an experiment, using an electroencephalograph (EEG) and electrocardiogram (ECG) that *Islamic slaughter is THE humane method of slaughter* and captive bolt stunning, practiced by the Western method, causes severe pain to the animal. The results surprised many.[/SIZE]
  
  [SIZE=-1]Experimental Details:[/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]1. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all animals, touching the surface of thebrain.[/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]2. The animals were allowed to recover for several weeks.[/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]3. Some animals were slaughtered by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck cutting the jugular veins and carotid Arteries of both sides; as also the trachea and esophagusHalal Method.[/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]4. Some animals were stunned using a captive bolt pistol humane slaughter by the western method.[/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]5. During the experiment, EEG and ECG were recorded on all animals to record the condition of the brain and heart during the course of slaughter and stunning.[/SIZE]
  
  
  [SIZE=-1]Results and Discussion:[/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]I - Halal Method[/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]1. The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter, thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision.[/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]2. For the following 3 seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep - unconsciousness. This is due to a large quantity of blood gushing out from the body.[/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]3. After the above mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all.[/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]4. As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving maximum blood from the body: resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer.[/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]II - Western method by C.B.P. Stunning[/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]1. The animals were apparently unconscious soon after stunning.[/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]2. EEG showed severe pain immediately after stunning.[/SIZE]
  [SIZE=-1]3. The hearts of the animal stunned by C.B.P. stopped beating earlier as compared to those of the animals slaughtered according to the Halal method resulting in the retention of more blood inthe meat. This in turn is unhygienic for the consumer.[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1](Many thanks to Muslim Students Organization - University of Miami)[/SIZE]

If mohammed was so kind to animals, why did he have all the black dogs killed at one point?

 

[nadeeshaF]

Every killeing is ruthless. When it is done in the name of religion / god / person, it's still more ruthless.

Precisely.
Trying to comprehend why an apparently "merciful god" will request the ritualistic slaughter of animals. Can't be too merciful now can he?

 

[sri_lion]

Precisely.
Trying to comprehend why an apparently "merciful god" will request the ritualistic slaughter of animals. Can't be too merciful now can he?

He is merciful... but he will still punish if you are not Muslim on the judgment day... hold on a minute.. did someone say he is merciful?

 

[nadeeshaF]

He is merciful... but he will still punish if you are not Muslim on the judgment day... hold on a minute.. did someone say he is merciful?

Of course. According to Islam he's "gracious, beneficial and merciful"!

...But, but then he only has mercy for muslims it seems. That makes me sad, no really it does. If the creator of this world is such a bigoted old geezer, we really can't expect much from him. Nothing makes much sense anymore.
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Just kidding! he's the devil himself!

 

[Wal Bada]

1. The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter, thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision.

This is a fucking joke. EEG s not sensitive to pain. Who's the fucking idiot that has written this? He has no medical knowledge at all. The whole point is utter rubbish.

 

[Wal Bada]

And where was this published? Give one of your authentic sources

 

[saharaz]

Of course. According to Islam he's "gracious, beneficial and merciful"!

...But, but then he only has mercy for muslims it seems. That makes me sad, no really it does. If the creator of this world is such a bigoted old geezer, we really can't expect much from him. Nothing makes much sense anymore.
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Just kidding! he's the devil himself!

Allah, the Exalted, says:

"Say: O `Ibadi (My slaves) who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: verily, Allah forgives all sins. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". (39:53)

"And never do We requit in such a way except those who are ungrateful (disbelievers)". (34:17)

'(Say `Truly, it has been revealed to us that the torment will be for him who denies (believes not in the Oneness of Allah, and in His Messengers), and turns away (from the truth and obedience of Allah)". (20:48)
"And My Mercy embraces all things". (7:156)

`Ubadah bin As-Samit (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "He who bears witness that there is no true god except Allah, alone having no partner with Him, that Muhammad is His slave and His Messenger, that `Isa (Jesus) is His slave and Messenger and he (Jesus) is His Word which He communicated to Maryam (Mary) and His spirit which He sent to her, that Jannah is true and Hell is true; Allah will make him enter Jannah accepting whatever deeds he accomplished".
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

"Allah, the Almighty, further says:

`Whosoever does a good deed, will have (reward) ten times like it and I add more; and whosoever does an evil, will have the punishment like it or I will forgive (him); and whosoever approaches Me by one span, I will approach him by one cubit; and whosoever approaches Me by one cubit, I approach him by one fathom, and whosoever comes to Me walking, I go to him running; and whosoever meets Me with an earth-load of sins without associating anything with Me, I meet him with forgiveness like that".

this is what is your creator i warn you people be ready te face HIM, time is not far.

 

[alagakkonara]

4. Animal does not feel pain
The swift cutting of vessels of the neck disconnects the flow of blood to the nerve of the brain responsible for pain. Thus the animal does not feel pain. While dying, the animal struggles, writhers, shakes and kicks, not due to pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles deficient in blood and due to the flow of blood out of the body.

I dont think this is true machan,

Anyway can anybody who know this stuff comment on this???

 

[saharaz]

And where was this published? Give one of your authentic sources

click on the link and check the last paragraph ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhabi%C4%A5a#Animal_rights

 

[saharaz]

I dont think this is true machan,

Anyway can anybody who know this stuff comment on this???

thanx for your comments

PAIN ?

physical pain starts when part of the body is hurt. Nerves in that part send messages to the brain. Messenger functions, including the transport of hormones and the signaling of tissue damage is been done by blood circulation Those messages tell the brain that the body is being damaged.

Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H.) "God calls for mercy in everything, so be merciful when you kill and when you slaughter, sharpen your blade to relieve its pain".

Method of Slaughtering Animals in Islam

The method of slaughtering an animal is that the four main arteries of its neck should be completely cut (jugular artery, foodpipe, jugular vein and windpipe). It is not sufficient to split open these arteries or to cut off the neck. And the cutting of these four main arteries becomes practical when the cutting takes place from below the knot of the throat.


By following above steps the brain is instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain.

waiting for your comments brother ...

ALLAH KNOWS BEST..........

 

[saharaz]

This is a fucking joke. EEG s not sensitive to pain. Who's the fucking idiot that has written this? He has no medical knowledge at all. The whole point is utter rubbish.

Electroencephalography (EEG) is the measurement of electrical activity produced by the brain as recorded from electrodes placed on the scalp.The data measured by the scalp EEG are used for clinical and research purposes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroencephalography

physical pain starts when part of the body is hurt. Nerves in that part send messages to the brain. Messenger functions, including the transport of hormones and the signaling of tissue damage is been done by blood circulation Those messages tell the brain that the body is being damaged.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain

A study done by Professor Wilhelm Schulze et al. at the University of Veterinary Medicine in Germany concluded that "[t]he slaughter in the form of ritual cut is, if carried out properly, painless in sheep and calves according to the EEG recordings and the missing defensive actions."[8] This study is cited by the German Constitutional Court in its permitting of dhabiha slaughtering.

click on the link and check the last paragraph ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhabi%C4%A5a#Animal_rights

ALLAH IS MOST GRACIOUS AND MOST MERCIFUL ..........

 

[alagakkonara]

thanx for your comments

PAIN ?

physical pain starts when part of the body is hurt. Nerves in that part send messages to the brain. Messenger functions, including the transport of hormones and the signaling of tissue damage is been done by blood circulation Those messages tell the brain that the body is being damaged.

The method of slaughtering an animal is that the four main arteries of its neck should be completely cut (jugular artery, foodpipe, jugular vein and windpipe).

Machan, what you say is maybe true.. I dont know much about how body works. But what you are saying is that nerves does not carry the signals but veins does? I can not agree to this. If someone is not to feel pain, his nerves system must be damaged, that what comes to my brain from little I know. But I may be wrong.

I was kinda hoping someone with a medical background will explain. ( But if you have such knowledge please explain this again.)

ALLAH KNOWS BEST..........

Maybe he does. I do not know.

from the link you have given above.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain

Most pain starts when part of the body is hurt. Nerves in that part send messages to the brain. Those messages tell the brain that the body is being damaged. Pain is not just the message the nerve sends to the brain. It is the bad emotion felt because of that damage.

 

[saharaz]

Machan, what you say is maybe true.. I dont know much about how body works. But what you are saying is that nerves does not carry the signals but veins does? I can not agree to this. If someone is not to feel pain, his nerves system must be damaged, that what comes to my brain from little I know. But I may be wrong.

I was kinda hoping someone with a medical background will explain. ( But if you have such knowledge please explain this again.)


Maybe he does. I do not know.

from the link you have given above.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain

Most pain starts when part of the body is hurt. Nerves in that part send messages to the brain. Those messages tell the brain that the body is being damaged. Pain is not just the message the nerve sends to the brain. It is the bad emotion felt because of that damage.

thanx for your kind comments.

But what you are saying is that nerves does not carry the signals but veins does? I can not agree to this.

machan i didn't say nerves doesn't carry signals, check what was my statement.


Nerves in that part send messages to the brain.Those messages tell the brain that the body is being damaged.

i don't have any medical background even though i will try to explain to my level best inshAllah ....


according to Oxford English Mini Dictionary 6th Edition.


Vein - any of the tubes by which blood is carried towards the Heart.


Nerve - a fibre transmitting impulses of sensation between the brain or spinal cord and the other parts of body.

one thing is clear here that is signaling / messeging of body hurt is carried by blood through veins and nerves transmitting impulses of sensation between the brain or spinal cord and the other parts of body.


if you look in to the method of Islamic Slaughter four main arteries of its neck should be completely cut (jugular artery, foodpipe, jugular vein and windpipe). with a sharpe object / knife. by doing this way the blood which is carring signal / messege of body hurt will not reach the brain since jugular artery and jugular vein is being disconnected the brain is instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain.


A study done by Professor Wilhelm Schulze et al. at the University of Veterinary Medicine in Germany concluded that "[t]he slaughter in the form of ritual cut is, if carried out properly, painless in sheep and calves according to the EEG recordings and the missing defensive actions."[8] This study is cited by the German Constitutional Court in its permitting of dhabiha slaughtering.


methods of livestock slaughter:

Chemical (carbon dioxide)
This method is approved for sheep, calves and swine. The animal is asphyxiated by the use of carbon dioxide gas.

Mechanical (captive bolt)
This method is approved for sheep, swine, goats, calves, cattle, horses, mules, and other equines. A captive bolt stunner is applied to the livestock so as to produce immediate unconsciousness in the animals before they are butchered.

Mechanical (gunshot)
This method is approved for cattle, calves, sheep, swine, goats, horses, mules, and other equines. The gun is used to render the animal immediately unconscious (and presumably dead) before butchering.

Electrical (stunning or slaughtering with electric current)
This method is approved for swine, sheep, calves, cattle, and goats. The current applied is sufficient to ensure surgical anesthesia throughout the "bleeding" of the animal.

if you compare the above methods of slaughter along with Islamic method of slaughter you will definately find that Islamic Method of Slaughter is the perfect method.


Islam is not a man-made Law, but it is a DIVINE LAW.


I know 100% that.....


ALLAH KNOWS BEST..........

 

[alagakkonara]

one thing is clear here that is signaling / messeging of body hurt is carried by blood through nerves and veins.

This is not clear machan, From what I know(I'm quite sure I'm right about this) signalling in the body is carried through nerves, and nerves does not carry blood. Blood has nothing to do with the nerves system.

I still doubt that if you let an animal bleed to death by cutting its jugular artery, foodpipe, jugular vein and windpipe It will feel enermous pain, untill it dies.

 

[saharaz]

This is not clear machan, From what I know(I'm quite sure I'm right about this) signalling in the body is carried through nerves, and nerves does not carry blood. Blood has nothing to do with the nerves system.

I still doubt that if you let an animal bleed to death by cutting its jugular artery, foodpipe, jugular vein and windpipe It will feel enermous pain, untill it dies.

machan you are right as you said nerves nothing to do with blood circulation it was my fault. i beg your pardon and also thanx pointing out my fault and i honestly welcome it. i already rectified my mistake. as signaling / messeging of body hurt is carried by blood through veins and nerves transmitting impulses of sensation between the brain or spinal cord and the other parts of body.

then what we do for the story of

Professor Wilhelm Schulze et al.

German Constitutional Court is approved on his result and its permitting of Islamic way of slaughtering. ????

 

[nadeeshaF]

All this banter says nothing. There is just as much research to prove that animals do feel pain during ritualistic slaughter. Pain is inevitable, no matter how it's killed. Besides, how are you to really know the pain an animal goes through while it's neck is being slit, unless you've experienced it yourself? It's easy for you to make such claims, when you have not experienced the pain of having your neck sliced.

refer:
http://www.visualstatistics.net/East-West/Ritual%20Sacrifice/Slaughter.htm

http://www.rspca.org.uk/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=urlblob&blobheader=application%2Fpdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=RSPCABlob&blobwhere=1109267162636&ssbinary=true

http://www.erna-graff-stiftung.de/cms/download/tierschutz_bei_der_rituellen_schlachtung.pdf#page=85

http://www.fawc.org.uk/reports/pb8347.pdf

 

[Wal Bada]

click on the link and check the last paragraph ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhabi%C4%A5a#Animal_rights

Animal rights activist commenting about electroenchepalogram! Iam ROFLMAO. Only person who can interpret EEGs are Neuologist / Neurosurgeon. And I don not see any of them in that source. Your wikipedia source does not include them, so the source is utterly useless. And it's a known fact that EEG is not sensitive to pain.