‘Vegetarianism’

[homoelectronics]

whatever posted will be objected
den no point of arguing cant make u agree

well if u think da prophet is what u said
am sorry i had to say dis Buddha is a p he is scared of his life he couldnt face da nature of life his excuses are mentioned above. u cant live like dat in dis real world we had to fight over LTTE coz we havnt got other choices if we show maithree on those basted's deyll kick da shit out of u

You even don't know the very basics of the Buddhism. First, before talk try to learn it. I don't know what did you mean by 'p' but you are trying to do is insulting Buddha. The way to answer malee's objection is NOT insulting Buddha.

 

[saharaz]

whatever posted will be objected
den no point of arguing cant make u agree

well if u think da prophet is what u said
am sorry i had to say dis Buddha is a p he is scared of his life he couldnt face da nature of life his excuses are mentioned above. u cant live like dat in dis real world we had to fight over LTTE coz we havnt got other choices if we show maithree on those basted's deyll kick da shit out of u

my dear Bro funkoluwa may peace be upon you.

first of all i would like to advice you with your permission please don't get angry. please check below advices from the Last Prophet.


Prorphet Mohammed Peace and blessing of Allah be upon him said :

“ The strong is not the one who over comes the people by his strength”
"But the strong is the one who controls him while in anger."
"The man is not a good wrestler; the strong man is in fact the person who controls himself at the time of anger."
" A person should be cautious from being angry."
“ Do not become angry "
“ Do not become angry and furious”​

the next thing is if you have a intention to insult Buddha please don't do so .... bcoz it is not allowed in our Islam and also Buddha is not a fake and a ordinary person. my openion is a single person cannot make a changes in the world without a Divine Support from a super human power. i personally believe that BUDDHA may be a Messenger Of ALLAH SWT. bcoz ALLAH SWT Himself Says that Messengers were sent to every nation to guide them to Path of Allah:

وَلَقَدْ بَعَثْنَا فِي كُلِّ أُمَّةٍ رَّسُولاً أَنِ اعْبُدُواْ اللّهَ وَاجْتَنِبُواْ الطَّاغُوتَ فَمِنْهُم مَّنْ هَدَى اللّهُ وَمِنْهُم مَّنْ حَقَّتْ عَلَيْهِ الضَّلالَةُ فَسِيرُواْ فِي الأَرْضِ فَانظُرُواْ كَيْفَ كَانَ عَاقِبَةُ الْمُكَذِّبِينَ

And verily We have raised in every nation a messenger, (proclaiming): Serve Allah and shun false gods. Then some of them (there were) whom Allah guided, and some of them (there were) upon whom error had just hold. Do but travel in the land and see the nature of the consequence for the deniers! (Qur'an 16:36)

ii. Messengers warn them to follow Allah’s commands and gave them glad tidings:

إِنَّا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ بِالْحَقِّ بَشِيرًا وَنَذِيرًا وَإِن مِّنْ أُمَّةٍ إِلَّا خلَا فِيهَا نَذِيرٌ

Lo! We have sent thee with the Truth, a bearer of glad tidings and a warner; and there is not a nation but a warner hath passed among them. (Qur'an 35:24)

iii. And these Messengers gave us guidance from Allah, taught us knowledge and provided a path to purify us:

كَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا فِيكُمْ رَسُولاً مِّنكُمْ يَتْلُو عَلَيْكُمْ آيَاتِنَا وَيُزَكِّيكُمْ وَيُعَلِّمُكُمُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَيُعَلِّمُكُم مَّا لَمْ تَكُونُواْ تَعْلَمُونَ

Even as We have sent unto you a messenger from among you, who reciteth unto you Our revelations and causeth you to grow, and teacheth you the Scripture and wisdom, and teacheth you that which ye knew not. (Qur'an 2:151)

some islamic scholars argueing that the term DHUL-KIFFL which is mentioned in the Glorious Al Quran was refered to Buddha.
the meaning of the word kiffl is KAPILAVASTU. the place where Buddha was born.

Buddha himself predicted and prophesized the arrival of Prophet Muhammad PBUH.​

the last thing is please don't judge Buddha according to his followers. you cannot find 100 % true teaching and message of Buddha becoz past 2500 years Buddhist scriptures went through many changes for the worldly benefits of some bad budhdhist rulers. but still there are authenticated sayings of Buddha still prevails. but unfortunately majority of Buddhist in Sri Lanka are not practicing them.​

 

[saharaz]

machan what you said is not good ban... animals aint livin in this world for us to eat. they have the right to live, they have the right to breath. besides you people doesnt eat pork right? why's that.? i mean pig is also an animal. if it weren't for you to be eaten, then what's it with pig?

بسم الله
Machan thanx for you kind comment and the wise questions.
Machan I swear by ALLAH we Muslims are not barbarians or cruel towards animal. Our beloved prophet Muhammed PBUH also taught compassion towards animals like lord Buddha taugh.

According to overall teachings of Islam, causing unavoidable pain and suffering to the defenseless and innocent creatures of God is not justifiable under any circumstances. Islam wants prevent not only physical cruelty also mental cruelty.

Our beloved prophet Muhammed PBUH told.

'A good deed done to a beast is as good as doing good to a human being; while an act of cruelty to a beast is as bad as an act of cruelty to human beings' and that: 'Kindness to animals was promised by rewards in Life Hereafter.' (Mishkat al-Masabih; Book 6; Chapter 7, 8:178.)

For more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animals_in_islam

Please check below some facts about PIG

The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4 different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115. These verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim as to why pork is forbidden.

Consumption of pork causes several diseases

The other non-Muslims and atheists will agree only if convinced through reason, logic and science. Eating of pork can cause no less than seventy different types of diseases. A person can have various helminthes like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc. One of the most dangerous is Taenia Solium, which is in lay man’s terminology called tapeworm. It harbours in the intestine and is very long. Its ova i.e. eggs, enter the blood stream and can reach almost all the organs of the body. If it enters the brain it can cause memory loss. If it enters the heart it can cause heart attack, if it enters the eye it can cause blindness, if it enters the liver it can cause liver damage. It can damage almost all the organs of the body. Another dangerous helminthes is Trichura Tichurasis. A common misconception about pork is that if it is cooked well, these ova die.In a research project undertaken in America, it was found that out of twenty-four people suffering from Trichura Tichurasis, twenty two had cooked the pork very well. This indicates that the ova present in the pork do not die under normal cooking temperature.

Pork has fat building material

Pork has very little muscle building material and contains excess of fat. This fat gets deposited in the vessels and can cause hypertension and heart attack. It is not surprising that over 50% of Americans suffer from hypertension.

Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth

The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives on muck, faces and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that God has produced. In the villages they don’t have modern toilets and the villagers excrete in the open air. Very often excreta is cleared by pigs.
Some may argue that in advanced countries like Australia, pigs are bred in very clean and hygienic conditions. Even in these hygienic conditions the pigs are kept together in sties. No matter how hard you try to keep them clean they are filthy by nature. They eat and enjoy their own as well as their neighbour’s excreta.

Pig is the most shameless animal

The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say “you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife.” If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs.

Did you know ??????

Pork is prohibited not only in Al Quran but also in the Bible.

 

[sri_lion]

Pork is all FAT, is that why Islam prohibits PORK!

Well here's some facts to think about!

According to World Pork Trade Overview, China is the highest PORK producing country in the world.. please refer to this document

And Chinese are among the highest PORK consuming communities in the world according to this site



In this report from World Health Org. it says China has the lowest obesity levels in the world!



And also from the W.H.O, lets look at the Most recent Country comparison - BMI Obese of Adults (%)

Here's what the charts look like.. Its a long list so I'll just show the top 10 and the bottom 10.. anyone interested can go and check the full list here

Top 10 (Most Obese)



Last 10 (Least Obese)



As you can see.... some of world's most obese people live in Muslim countries, infact there are 4 out of top 10 countries are Muslim countries, although the health conscious Q'ran verses says not to eat PORK because it builds FAT... regardless of they eat pork or not they still are FAT!

On the other hand countries which are MOST pork consuming has the lowest obese levels in the world!

So is it a problem with PORK or the people? We report you decide!!

 

[funkoluwa]

Pork is all FAT, is that why Islam prohibits PORK!

So is it a problem with PORK or the people? We report you decide!!

i dont understand your logic here
is it about overweight people or pork or is it about fat neither way according to your above statement it docent prove anything coz FAT isnt d only reason for overweight people

most funny thing is u r against d meat eaters and now u r telling pork eaters are healthy PORK IS MEAT mate

 

[sri_lion]

i dont understand your logic here
is it about overweight people or pork or is it about fat neither way according to your above statement it docent prove anything coz FAT isnt d only reason for overweight people

Saharaz says... Q'ran prohibits eating PORK for Muslims because it is NOT healthy, contains FAT etc. etc.

So isn't it ironic that that Muslims are among the world's most obese people? I mean in Saudi Arabia? the HOLY LAND?

And you say there are other sources of FAT too... CORRECT!! 100% Agree!!

And guess who created those...... THE CREATOR HIMSELF!!!

most funny thing is u r against d meat eaters and now u r telling pork eaters are healthy PORK IS MEAT mate

I'm against eating meat? says who? I'm a meat eater myself!

Infact I eat Pork too!

 

[funkoluwa]

I'm against eating meat? says who? I'm a meat eater myself!

Infact I eat Pork too!

dat means u r here to argue against d Muslims not against d thread

 

[sri_lion]

dat means u r here to argue against d Muslims not against d thread

I'm not sure what you asking here..

But Islam says killing animals for food is OK! Buddhism says otherwise.. there's a fundamental difference there between the 2 religions!

If Muslims or this thread says "Animals are suppose to be killed", then yes I'm against it!

Eating meat doesn't necessarily a SIN, killing is a SIN.. you could eat an already dead animal.. is that a SIN too?

Here's a thread that we discussed this matter from Buddhist point of view!

 

[aye_sha90]

Physiologically, the man is more similar to the animals which eat plants and animals like monkeys,
elephants and cows, more thn 2 the carnivores like Tigers or leopards. The carnivores, as an example,
not transpire through the skin: the blood heat is regulated with the accelerated
breathe nd the extrusion of the tongue. The herbivorous, instead, got skin poresi
2 eliminate the impurities and to regulate the temperature.

We started eating meat, 1st our ancestors,which found meat and eat it to survive! Then honestly,
there are various meat and it depends on the taste.I dont think we need animal proteins,
since we can satisfy our necessitiez eating legumes. Anyway, it's a personal choice!


I know about islam. beliefs, and about this.... It's your own decision i guess!

Based on buddhism, eating meat whn we are aware of that, ..hmm.it's a sin, but Lord Buddha explained to his followers to accept the offers thy got, But.. only if the animal was not killed for that offer!

 

[funkoluwa]

I'm not sure what you asking here..

But Islam says killing animals for food is OK! Buddhism says otherwise.. there's a fundamental difference there between the 2 religions!

If Muslims or this thread says "Animals are suppose to be killed", then yes I'm against it!

Eating meat doesn't necessarily a SIN, killing is a SIN.. you could eat an already dead animal.. is that a SIN too?

Here's a thread that we discussed this matter from Buddhist point of view!

how come humans are dominating this world destroys forests and building thir civilizations, making medicines from animals, coz its the way they are its common for every human, humans are the only species of its kind you cant say its wrong its all about survival its da fact, thats what Islam tells u, its practical but u hav limits

 

[saharaz]

Pork is all FAT, is that why Islam prohibits PORK!

Well here's some facts to think about!

According to World Pork Trade Overview, China is the highest PORK producing country in the world.. please refer to this document

And Chinese are among the highest PORK consuming communities in the world according to this site

Pork is all FAT, is that why Islam prohibits PORK!

Who said that Islam prohibits PORK just becoz of FAT ????? if you think by your own that Islam prohibits PORK just becoz of FAT, by that reason if you put up a drama with your static information IT IS USELESS AND WASTE OF TIME.
If you put up a story of highest pork consuming community and comparison - BMI Obese of Adults based on the argument of Islam prohibits PORK just becoz of FAT, IT IS WASTE OF TIME………

WE MUSLIMS DON’T EAT PORK JUST BECOZ …….

“Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine,
and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah.”
[Al-Qur’an 5:3]
Al Quran Commanding Muslims to not to eat swine/pork. Al Quran is words of Allah/God. We have to obey his commandment. WE MUSLIMS DON’T EAT PORK NOT BECOZ OF FAT, BECOZ OF THE COMMANDMENT OF ALLAH SWT.

Well here's some facts to think about!

According to World Pork Trade Overview, China is the highest PORK producing country in the world.. please refer to this document

And Chinese are among the highest PORK consuming communities in the world according to this site

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We are not discussing about production of pork here !!!!! Next thing is according to the your statement china is the HIGHEST pork consuming country when it come to your chart it says DENMARK IS THE HIGHEST pork consuming country. CAN YOU EXPLAIN ME WHY IT IS CONTRADICTS ????

 

[saharaz]

View attachment 7956

In this report from World Health Org. it says China has the lowest obesity levels in the world!

View attachment 7957

And also from the W.H.O, lets look at the Most recent Country comparison - BMI Obese of Adults (%)

Here's what the charts look like.. Its a long list so I'll just show the top 10 and the bottom 10.. anyone interested can go and check the full list here

Top 10 (Most Obese)

View attachment 7958

Last 10 (Least Obese)

View attachment 7959

As you can see.... some of world's most obese people live in Muslim countries, infact there are 4 out of top 10 countries are Muslim countries, although the health conscious Q'ran verses says not to eat PORK because it builds FAT... regardless of they eat pork or not they still are FAT!

On the other hand countries which are MOST pork consuming has the lowest obese levels in the world!

So is it a problem with PORK or the people? We report you decide!!

In this report from World Health Org. it says China has the lowest obesity levels in the world!

View attachment 7957

And also from the W.H.O, lets look at the Most recent Country comparison - BMI Obese of Adults (%)

Here's what the charts look like.. Its a long list so I'll just show the top 10 and the bottom 10.. anyone interested can go and check the full list here

Top 10 (Most Obese)

View attachment 7958

Last 10 (Least Obese)

View attachment 7959

This is my favorite part ………

As usual sri_lion played his DIRTY GAME. If you go to both charts above you will find there is no source ( he has given a link when I click on it I found there is nothing with regards to above charts) and also there is no heading for the charts he himself typed the story of Top 10 (Most Obese) and Last 10 (Least Obese)


according towww.nationmaster.com Obesity by country

Rank Countries Amount (top to bottom)
#1 United States: 30.6%
#2 Mexico: 24.2%
#3 UK: 23%
#4 Slovakia: 22.4%
#5 Greece: 21.9%
#6 Australia: 21.7%
#7 New Zealand: 20.9%
#8 Hungary: 18.8%
#9 Luxembourg: 18.4%
#10 CzechRepublic: 14.8%
#11 Canada: 14.3%
#12 Spain: 13.1%
#13 Ireland: 13%
#14 Germany: 12.9%
#15 Portugal: 12.8%
#16 Finland: 12.8%
#17 Iceland: 12.4%
#18 Turkey: 12%
#19 Belgium: 11.7%
#20 Netherlands: 10%
#21 Sweden: 9.7%
#22 Denmark: 9.5%
#23 France: 9.4%
#24 Austria: 9.1%
#25 Italy: 8.5%
#26 Norway: 8.3%
#27 Switzerland: 7.7%
#28 Japan: 3.2%
#29 Korea, South: 3.2%

Source : http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity


sri_lion you are a liar, a big liar. It is very clear how far ANTI-ISLAMIC thoughts are rooted inside you to show the false stats and information to the people in order to portrait Islam and Muslims in negetive way

As you can see.... some of world's most obese people live in Muslim countries, infact there are 4 out of top 10 countries are Muslim countries, although the health conscious Q'ran verses says not to eat PORK because it builds FAT... regardless of they eat pork or not they still are FAT!


Al Quran Commanding Muslims to not to eat swine/pork. Al Quran never talk about FAT as you said. Al Quran is words of Allah/God. We have to obey his commandment. WE MUSLIMS DON’T EAT PORK NOT BECOZ OF FAT, BECOZ OF THE COMMANDMENT OF ALLAH SWT. WE MUSLIMS WILL NEVER LOOK FOR THE REASON IF AL QURAN COMMAND US TO DO.

I was pointing out notonly FAT

Consumption of pork causes several diseases
Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth
Pig is the most shameless animal

But you tagged on FAT story ……

No matter how far you PROPAGATE ANTI-ISLAMIC thoughts here. WHEN THE TRUTH COME FALSEHOOD WILL VANISH

As you said let the people DECIDE…….

 

[saharaz]

i dont understand your logic here
is it about overweight people or pork or is it about fat neither way according to your above statement it docent prove anything coz FAT isnt d only reason for overweight people

most funny thing is u r against d meat eaters and now u r telling pork eaters are healthy PORK IS MEAT mate

As usual sri_lion played his DIRTY GAME. If you go to both charts above you will find there is no source ( he has given a link when I click on it I found there is nothing with regards to above charts) and also there is no heading for the charts he himself typed the story of Top 10 (Most Obese) and Last 10 (Least Obese)

CHECK THE FACT CLICK ON THE LINK

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity

 

[saharaz]

dat means u r here to argue against d Muslims not against d thread

THAT IS THE TRUTH

 

[saharaz]

Saharaz says... Q'ran prohibits eating PORK for Muslims because it is NOT healthy, contains FAT etc. etc.

So isn't it ironic that that Muslims are among the world's most obese people? I mean in Saudi Arabia? the HOLY LAND?

And you say there are other sources of FAT too... CORRECT!! 100% Agree!!

And guess who created those...... THE CREATOR HIMSELF!!!



I'm against eating meat? says who? I'm a meat eater myself!

Infact I eat Pork too!

Who said that Islam prohibits PORK just becoz of FAT ????? if you think by your own that Islam prohibits PORK just becoz of FAT, by that reason if you put up a drama with your FALSE static information IT IS USELESS AND WASTE OF TIME.
If you put up a story of highest pork consuming community and comparison - BMI Obese of Adults based on the argument of Islam prohibits PORK just becoz of FAT, IT IS WASTE OF TIME………

WE MUSLIMS DON’T EAT PORK JUST BECOZ …….

“Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine,
and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah.”
[Al-Qur’an 5:3]
Al Quran Commanding Muslims to not to eat swine/pork. Al Quran is words of Allah/God. We have to obey his commandment. WE MUSLIMS DON’T EAT PORK NOT BECOZ OF FAT, BECOZ OF THE COMMANDMENT OF ALLAH SWT.

YOU ARE ACCUSING MUSLIMS ARE OBESE .... BULLSHIT CHECK THE STATS BR CLICK ON THE LINK

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity

THIS IS THE SAME WEBSITE FROM WHERE YOU TOOK THE HIGHEST PORK CONSUMING COUNTRY STATS .....

 

[Wal Bada]

If you want to stop killing lives without judiciously then you will have to DIE ……..
If some one here to say that stop killing cows, goats and chicken for flesh / food / meat, first let him not drink water and let him not eat vegetable.
becoz both in vegitable and water there are lives

Totally flawed. When we drink water we don't have intention of killing bacteria. And according to Buddhism (and science of course) plans lack conciousness, and thus are not same with animals. Your last point is really moot

 

[saharaz]

Totally flawed. When we drink water we don't have intention of killing bacteria. And according to Buddhism (and science of course) plans lack conciousness, and thus are not same with animals. Your last point is really moot

if you don't mind can you explain more clearly so that i will try to solve that question also

 

[Wal Bada]

if you don't mind can you explain more clearly so that i will try to solve that question also

Ok. We'll start like this
I have 250 Rs in my poket, and I go to the market and buy 500g of chicken that is packed already, because that matches the other food I have to complete meal. I buy it and cook it and eat it.

Then I open the tap and drink some water because I was thirsty.

Now according to Buddhism there is no sin in either occasion. I did not have the intention of killing chicken or killing bacteria.

Now comapre this scenario with the above.

I have 500 Rs in my pocket, I go to chicken stall and point at the back and white feathered rooster and tell "I want that one killed".

Now there is intention of killing. Both instances it was used as food, but the intentions are clearly different.

 

[Wal Bada]

This is my favorite part ………

As usual sri_lion played his DIRTY GAME. If you go to both charts above you will find there is no source ( he has given a link when I click on it I found there is nothing with regards to above charts) and also there is no heading for the charts he himself typed the story of Top 10 (Most Obese) and Last 10 (Least Obese)


according towww.nationmaster.comObesity by country

Rank Countries Amount (top to bottom)
#1 United States: 30.6%
#2 Mexico: 24.2%
#3 UK: 23%
#4 Slovakia: 22.4%
#5 Greece: 21.9%
#6 Australia: 21.7%
#7 New Zealand: 20.9%
#8 Hungary: 18.8%
#9 Luxembourg: 18.4%
#10 CzechRepublic: 14.8%
#11 Canada: 14.3%
#12 Spain: 13.1%
#13 Ireland: 13%
#14 Germany: 12.9%
#15 Portugal: 12.8%
#16 Finland: 12.8%
#17 Iceland: 12.4%
#18 Turkey: 12%
#19 Belgium: 11.7%
#20 Netherlands: 10%
#21 Sweden: 9.7%
#22 Denmark: 9.5%
#23 France: 9.4%
#24 Austria: 9.1%
#25 Italy: 8.5%
#26 Norway: 8.3%
#27 Switzerland: 7.7%
#28 Japan: 3.2%
#29 Korea, South: 3.2%

Source : http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity


sri_lion you are a liar, a big liar. It is very clear how far ANTI-ISLAMIC thoughts are rooted inside you to show the false stats and information to the people in order to portrait Islam and Muslims in negetive way

As you can see.... some of world's most obese people live in Muslim countries, infact there are 4 out of top 10 countries are Muslim countries, although the health conscious Q'ran verses says not to eat PORK because it builds FAT... regardless of they eat pork or not they still are FAT!


Al Quran Commanding Muslims to not to eat swine/pork. Al Quran never talk about FAT as you said. Al Quran is words of Allah/God. We have to obey his commandment. WE MUSLIMS DON’T EAT PORK NOT BECOZ OF FAT, BECOZ OF THE COMMANDMENT OF ALLAH SWT. WE MUSLIMS WILL NEVER LOOK FOR THE REASON IF AL QURAN COMMAND US TO DO.

I was pointing out notonly FAT

Consumption of pork causes several diseases
Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth
Pig is the most shameless animal

But you tagged on FAT story ……

No matter how far you PROPAGATE ANTI-ISLAMIC thoughts here. WHEN THE TRUTH COME FALSEHOOD WILL VANISH

As you said let the people DECIDE…….

I agree with Sri_Lions stats. That is the ultimate you can get about world health stats. You cannot challenge WHO stats with a shitty stats from a small non-recignised site.

And I have experianced, Muslims are the most obese in SL too. May be due to bad food habits, or may be due to too much of beef. We don't know the reason, but they have the highest incidence of obesity, ischemic heart disease, hypertension, diabetes and hypercholetrorelemia in SL.

 

[yasasrd]

Goooood Post dude