Deffinitely, A HERO not a TERRORIST

[ratedrkoman]

I was not comparing their whole lives but the way they accepted death.. Being killed silently and facing death bravely are two different things...

they both ttly lived a diferent life

died in diferent circumstances
so what's the point here ??

 

[ratedrkoman]

lol finally, a plus sign now he's on my "cool " list

hehe
heard this in the art class in greade 8 or smething

 

[kosandpol]

i respect madduma bandara of his bravery machan , no doubt abt that
sometimes i think that i will never have courage like him... too

yeah man god knows what happned on that day
since there r like 1000 of conspiracy theories for everythin......
he ( king kashyapa) clearly knew that he'ss suffer a very painfull death out of his bro's hands
but taking the quick and the less painful path has never been great and history shows it

the great king kashyapa who built the sigiriya fortress kills him self
i mean isn't that a really BIG black mark over his name ?

well then one has to look at the reason for building that castle on a the rock as well.
He murdered his father in a rather sick manner out of greed and banished his brother (the rightful hire to the throne) and forcibly took the throne. Then out of fear of getting over run by his brother, hi built a fortress on a rock (the high ground) so that :
1. access to him is hard
2. he's on high ground and can see if an enemy force is coming far away.

The wonder of Seegiriya was built out of fear and cowardice. So Kashyapa taking his own life is fitting.

One thing though suicide is considered cowardly in our and most other cultures.
In Japan's culture, definition of honor is far different and suicide in the form of hara-kiri is considered honorable (other forms of suicide, away from a battle field, are not considered honorable).

 

[ratedrkoman]

ya we will never know what really took place on that day, anyway history can be just a fiction of the guy who wrote those stuff down don't you think..so we are to decide under least resources.

and do you think kashyapa's case was similar to hitler's? look how he killed himself shamelessly knowing his fate...so i wouldn't say kashyapa was man enough to stand up to terrible acts he committed...

i was thinking the same thing
although they led ttly diferent lives

but there was one similarity between them

they both hid from the world
knowing that someday ppl will find them and will kill them......

true in this situation
i'm ttly in the side of kashyapa
but both died of suicide that's what i dunt LIKE !

 

[kosandpol]

ya we will never know what really took place on that day, anyway history can be just a fiction of the guy who wrote those stuff down don't you think..so we are to decide under least resources.

and do you think kashyapa's case was similar to hitler's? look how he killed himself shamelessly knowing his fate...so i wouldn't say kashyapa was man enough to stand up to terrible acts he committed...

Damn!
Godwin so early on in the thread!

 

[madurax86]

well then one has to look at the reason for building that castle on a the rock as well.
He murdered his father in a rather sick manner out of greed and banished his brother (the rightful hire to the throne) and forcibly took the throne. Then out of fear of getting over run by his brother, hi built a fortress on a rock (the high ground) so that :
1. access to him is hard
2. he's on high ground and can see if an enemy force is coming far away.

The wonder of Seegiriya was built out of fear and cowardice. So Kashyapa taking his own life is fitting.

One thing though suicide is considered cowardly in our and most other cultures.
In Japan's culture, definition of honor is far different and suicide in the form of hara-kiri is considered honorable (other forms of suicide, away from a battle field, are not considered honorable).

true thats cowardliness who knows for whom did he fight for it can be for himself or for a another foreign king/emperor shitty things happend in history not all things are documented correctly

 

[ratedrkoman]

well then one has to look at the reason for building that castle on a the rock as well.
He murdered his father in a rather sick manner out of greed and banished his brother (the rightful hire to the throne) and forcibly took the throne. Then out of fear of getting over run by his brother, hi built a fortress on a rock (the high ground) so that :
1. access to him is hard
2. he's on high ground and can see if an enemy force is coming far away.

The wonder of Seegiriya was built out of fear and cowardice. So Kashyapa taking his own life is fitting.

One thing though suicide is considered cowardly in our and most other cultures.
In Japan's culture, definition of honor is far different and suicide in the form of hara-kiri is considered honorable (other forms of suicide, away from a battle field, are not considered honorable).

the dispute between over kashyapa and his father started from a Tank ( wewa) issue right , he got mistreated in some manner and eventually it led him killing his father and deportation of the brother.....

i'm actually surprised that a so called coward f his callibar can make wonders like sgiriya rock happen....

yeah the whole idea abt suicide is mostly ifluenced by our religion and culture......

are japanese still following honor as u said or is it written in history / scriptures ??

 

[ratedrkoman]

one last post for today ( hopefuly )

to the thread starter : you should've posted this in the PRO section...........

 

[kosandpol]

the dispute between over kashyapa and his father started from a Tank ( wewa) issue right , he got mistreated in some manner and eventually it led him killing his father and deportation of the brother.....

according to the history books, its a case of some serious misunderstandings.
When Kashyapa had asked his dad to give him his inheritance ("Dayada"), the dad being a bit of learned man, took him to a tank that he had built for irrigation purposes , and told him that this (the tank) was his inheritance ("dayada" ).
The son, being more of a wine woman and song type, took it literally and thought that the damned tank was all he's getting and that theres no money coming his way. He didnt realize the deeper meaning his dad was referring to. So he pulled the strong arm stuff.

i'm actually surprised that a so called coward f his callibar can make wonders like sgiriya rock happen....

Fear is a damn good motivator as well. Fear made the V1 and V2 rockets, Made the engineering master piece - the Tiger Tank, heck, it made the bomb.

yeah the whole idea abt suicide is mostly ifluenced by our religion and culture......

are japanese still following honor as u said or is it written in history / scriptures ??

Japan's code of honor is still active in the business world but it has been adapted to suit the times and the business world.

 

[Reshmi85]

hmm suicide cannot be considered any of bravery...you see it's like a solution to issues, a more of a alternative with less consequences....lets say kashyapa was captured. god knows what would have happened to him in the hands of his bro, whom was pissed for kashyapa killed his father. so it clearly appears that kashyapa took the less painful quick path.

and in madduma bandaras case, he was with no doubt heroic..he saw death coming and accepted it with his arms open.

A king has to have a different mentality...he maintains a different status... He had killed a general for not bowing down to him.. They have to act like that.. that is how a king commands respect and rule... So for Kashyapa being killed by his brother must have been unacceptable to him.. If he just cut throat and fell down I wouldn't take any note of it... But he was proud of it...thays why he held the knife high up and put it back in sheath... When he did that he had a mortal wound on his neck..

 

[Reshmi85]

according to the history books, its a case of some serious misunderstandings.
When Kashyapa had asked his dad to give him his inheritance ("Dayada"), the dad being a bit of learned man, took him to a tank that he had built for irrigation purposes , and told him that this (the tank) was his inheritance ("dayada" ).
The son, being more of a wine woman and song type, took it literally and thought that the damned tank was all he's getting and that theres no money coming his way. He didnt realize the deeper meaning his dad was referring to. So he pulled the strong arm stuff.


Fear is a damn good motivator as well. Fear made the V1 and V2 rockets, Made the engineering master piece - the Tiger Tank, heck, it made the bomb.


Japan's code of honor is still active in the business world but it has been adapted to suit the times and the business world.

At the time of death -This COWARDLY king- was leading his army with a considerable gap between him and them.. It is easy to take pieces of one's life and define his life in a way one can easily identify with.

 

[Reshmi85]

they both ttly lived a diferent life

died in diferent circumstances
so what's the point here ??

They faced death without fear of death many of posters have already accepted as they have..

 

[kosandpol]

At the time of death -This COWARDLY king- was leading his army with a considerable gap between him and them.. It is easy to take pieces of one's life and define his life in a way one can easily identify with.

Yeah, you're doing the same with only taking the piece of his life at the time of his death.

 

[ratedrkoman]

according to the history books, its a case of some serious misunderstandings.
When Kashyapa had asked his dad to give him his inheritance ("Dayada"), the dad being a bit of learned man, took him to a tank that he had built for irrigation purposes , and told him that this (the tank) was his inheritance ("dayada" ).
The son, being more of a wine woman and song type, took it literally and thought that the damned tank was all he's getting and that theres no money coming his way. He didnt realize the deeper meaning his dad was referring to. So he pulled the strong arm stuff.

thank u for explaining...

Fear is a damn good motivator as well. Fear made the V1 and V2 rockets, Made the engineering master piece - the Tiger Tank, heck, it made the bomb.

agreed!

Japan's code of honor is still active in the business world but it has been adapted to suit the times and the business world.

isn't it wats happening all over the world ?
and we're feeling the aftermath now

 

[ratedrkoman]

They faced death without fear of death many of posters have already accepted as they have..

yeah right
so why couldnt king kashyapa face death fearlessly by getting beheaded by his brother ??

 

[kosandpol]

isn't it wats happening all over the world ?
and we're feeling the aftermath now

Japan's corporate world is far different from the rest of the world. The way their offices operate is according to the 'bushido' of the bureaucrat.
That's what I was referring to.

 

[Reshmi85]

well then one has to look at the reason for building that castle on a the rock as well.
He murdered his father in a rather sick manner out of greed and banished his brother (the rightful hire to the throne) and forcibly took the throne. Then out of fear of getting over run by his brother, hi built a fortress on a rock (the high ground) so that :
1. access to him is hard
2. he's on high ground and can see if an enemy force is coming far away.

The wonder of Seegiriya was built out of fear and cowardice. So Kashyapa taking his own life is fitting.

One thing though suicide is considered cowardly in our and most other cultures.
In Japan's culture, definition of honor is far different and suicide in the form of hara-kiri is considered honorable (other forms of suicide, away from a battle field, are not considered honorable).

The way you describe him he should have send his army to fight the war and he should have been hiding at the top of Sigiriya. . I think you are comparing him to the today's kings who hide between huge walls, in Bullet proof vehicles, and behind hundreds of bodyguards.. At the War he was not hiding at the top of Sigiriya.. but he was leading his army...

 

[Reshmi85]

yeah right
so why couldnt king kashyapa face death fearlessly by getting beheaded by his brother ??

I think... it was not sure... Mugalan was a weak person..Kashyapa would have been imprisoned or exiled, which is disgraceful.. Better to be killed by himself.

 

[kosandpol]

The way you describe him he should have send his army to fight the war and he should have been hiding at the top of Sigiriya. . I think you are comparing him to the today's kings who hide between huge walls, in Bullet proof vehicles, and behind hundreds of bodyguards.. At the War he was not hiding at the top of Sigiriya.. but he was leading his army...

If there was two way radio at that time, he most certainly would've stayed in his fortress and sent his army up front.
Since there was no two way radio at the time, he had to be in the field leading it. Its just a matter of not having the technology.
General Eisenhower lead the allied forces from his head office and not from the battle field. That doesnt make him a coward.

 

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