Miracles Of Allah

sri_lion

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asitha_rules said:
bro i think u shuld calm down a lil bit. learn to respect otha ppl's beliefs bro. u got no rite to criticise other ppl's religious beliefs unless they are harmful to you

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You want me to just shut up when someone show me a deformed infant and says.. this is Allah's work?:lol:

Harmful? here's one example!

You decide!

Besides.. I did not ever blindly criticize Allah.. I always say why I do so.. that's my freedom of speech, also if anyone criticize my religion... I take it as an opportunity to teach them about what I believe! :)
 
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Not trying to argue with anyone or undermine anyone's beliefs but pls enlighten me on this..

1 - u believe in a creator..who created god?

2 - if god created everything including humans, is this some kind of an experiment of god? to see what we do and our selves? killing each other, stealing?

3 - The punishment for a muslim if u convert is death in islam ruling countries right?
does it honestly sound ok to you? are u willing to kill your mother if she decides to convert? or starts not believing in allah?

4- and if everything is done by allah..why go to a doctor whenu are sick. Allah prolly wanted you to punish u for some sin or he ust wanted you to suffer to understand the suffering of others. Doctors use science which u dont believe in but when u are in trouble u need science. soon as u r out of the hospital and feeling well,, all of a sudden science is bad. You cant have it both ways my friends..its not fair.
 
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sri_lion

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ztnap said:
Not trying to argue with anyone or undermine anyone's beliefs but pls enlighten me on this..

1 - u believe in a creator..who created god?

2 - if god created everything including humans, is this some kind of an experiment of god? to see what we do and our selves? killing each other, stealing?

3 - The punishment for a muslim if u convert is death in islam ruling countries right?
does it honestly sound ok to you? are u willing to kill your mother if she decides to convert? or starts not believing in allah?

Hi bro no point asking.. we have discuss this many times in EK!

Whatever proper argument you bring on they will refer to Allah and his Holy Book!

And everything else is just happened it seems!
 

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ztnap said:
2 - if god created everything including humans, is this some kind of an experiment of god? to see what we do and our selves? killing each other, stealing?

4- and if everything is done by allah..why go to a doctor whenu are sick. Allah prolly wanted you to punish u for some sin or he ust wanted you to suffer to understand the suffering of others. Doctors use science which u dont believe in but when u are in trouble u need science. soon as u r out of the hospital and feeling well,, all of a sudden science is bad. You cant have it both ways my friends..its not fair.

With regard to these two,

2- oh teh noes, God is a scientist, the world is his laboratory and we are his rats! OoO Scaryyy :shocked:

3- Why? Who said science. It's a Miracle from Allah! If the doctor cures you, thank the creator of the doctor -Allah. Nothing, buts a miracle :D
 

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    sri_lion said:
    Hi bro no point asking.. we have discuss this many times in EK!

    Whatever proper argument you bring on they will refer to Allah and his Holy Book!

    And everything else is just happened it seems!

    so u dont believe in any religion??
     

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    nadeeshaF said:
    With regard to these two,

    2- oh teh noes, God is a scientist, the world is his laboratory and we are his rats! OoO Scaryyy :shocked:

    3- Why? Who said science. It's a Miracle from Allah! If the doctor cures you, thank the creator of the doctor -Allah. Nothing, buts a miracle :D


    haha..funny..

    science and islam are like two two rails on a railway track..there are no miracles in science...u cant believe 50% of science and say the other half is not true. e.g: medicine is a miracle but evolution theory is crap? like i said u cant have it both ways..
     

    ztnap

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    why cant ppl have a rational conversation? nobody's trying to fight..this is an internet forum. dont try to make this a big deal about fighting and stop the thread.

    Im open to any comment or idea. If they are rational and factual i'm ready to accept them. my advice is "dont take anything personal"

    Reply the POST..argue with the POST..make any comment about the POST.. NOT THE POSTER. as long as no one personalize this..i dont see a problem.

    remember this is a forum. If u cant do that whats the point of having one.
     
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    asitha_rules

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    sri_lion said:
    You want me to just shut up when someone show me a deformed infant and says.. this is Allah's work?:lol:

    Harmful? here's one example!

    You decide!

    Besides.. I did not ever blindly criticize Allah.. I always say why I do so.. that's my freedom of speech, also if anyone criticize my religion... I take it as an opportunity to teach them about what I believe! :)

    bro but u dint jus argue bout their religious beliefs. bro u personally insulted this guy


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    That's unacceptable bro. + ur comments are kinda racist so i think u shuld chill out
     

    ztnap

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    asitha_rules said:
    bro i think u shuld calm down a lil bit. learn to respect otha ppl's beliefs bro. u got no rite to criticise other ppl's religious beliefs unless they are harmful to you

    With regard to this. I dont care if ppl believe the earth is flat or a cube. The problem is when u kill ppl for not believing. When a religion tolerate such things. When u say wife beating is necessary to keep your woman in line. It doesn't affect me directly but if a woman get beat up for not obeying their husband or a guy gets his head cut off for not believing then it becomes my problem. I feel for them. dont you?

    Its ok if you believe allah is real and keep it your self. I respect your beliefs. For example my mother believes in karma. I don't. But that doesn't harm anybody. She does good deeds because of karma and i do good things just because they are good. No body gets hurt. She doesn't beat me for not believing. Nor does anyone else.But when u categorise others as sinners. cut off their head for not believing. Islamic believers talk about respecting other ppls religions all the time but they label all non believers as sinners. They don't say it directly. They say if you dont believe you are just a "non believer". Then they say its a sin to reject allah. So indirectly non believers = sinners. Am i wrong?


    Then i have the right to question the appropriateness of those actions. Thats my right as a human being.!!
     

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    ztnap said:
    With regard to this. I dont care if ppl believe the earth is flat or a cube. The problem is when u kill ppl for not believing. When a religion tolerate such things. When u say wife beating is necessary to keep your woman in line. It doesn't affect me directly but if a woman get beat up for not obeying their husband or a guy gets his head cut off for not believing then it becomes my problem. I feel for them. dont you?

    Its ok if you believe allah is real and keep it your self. I respect your beliefs. For example my mother believes in karma. I don't. But that doesn't harm anybody. She does good deeds because of karma and i do good things just because they are good. No body gets hurt. She doesn't beat me for not believing. Nor does anyone else.But when u categorise others as sinners. cut off their head for not believing. Islamic believers talk about respecting other ppls religions all the time but they label all non believers as sinners. They don't say it directly. They say if you dont believe you are just a "non believer". Then they say its a sin to reject allah. So indirectly non believers = sinners. Am i wrong?


    Then i have the right to question the appropriateness of those actions. Thats my right as a human being.!!

    Couldn't have said it better myself. These are a few of the reasons I dislike the Islamic ideology. I don't see any wrong in objecting aspects of a religion, which are so obviosuly worthy of objection.
     

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    I think we need to explain our selves further because ppl are getting the wrong message that we do not respect others vies or beliefs. Take the SL election for example.

    Lets say Team A believes that their policy is the correct one.
    Team B thinks their policy is better and A is in correct.

    A fair election is letting ppl decide what is correct and not correct. That's called respecting others...but if the Leader of A kills a member of their party for turning towards B. Then there's going to be a problem If The leader or the followers try to force someone in to believing their vision then its wrong. Then someone has to speak up.

    This story sounded gr8 in my head but somehow it doesn't anymore now that i have put it to words... :)

    anyway i hope you guys get the point. ;)
     

    funkoluwa

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    ztnap said:
    With regard to this. I dont care if ppl believe the earth is flat or a cube. The problem is when u kill ppl for not believing. When a religion tolerate such things. When u say wife beating is necessary to keep your woman in line. It doesn't affect me directly but if a woman get beat up for not obeying their husband or a guy gets his head cut off for not believing then it becomes my problem. I feel for them. dont you?

    Its ok if you believe allah is real and keep it your self. I respect your beliefs. For example my mother believes in karma. I don't. But that doesn't harm anybody. She does good deeds because of karma and i do good things just because they are good. No body gets hurt. She doesn't beat me for not believing. Nor does anyone else.But when u categorise others as sinners. cut off their head for not believing. Islamic believers talk about respecting other ppls religions all the time but they label all non believers as sinners. They don't say it directly. They say if you dont believe you are just a "non believer". Then they say its a sin to reject allah. So indirectly non believers = sinners. Am i wrong?


    Then i have the right to question the appropriateness of those actions. Thats my right as a human being.!!

    according to Islam u arnt a sinner until u get to know the truth but every human will get atlest one opportunity before he dies ull get urs. What will u do if ur wife don’t obey u ?? nobody teaches u what to do ull act according to the situation u might ignore the situation or u might do the worst. Its all about da practical life Islam doesn’t tell u to go to a forest and do Bhawana or to be a monk and don’t get marry control all ur feelings and don’t hav sex at all u think its practicaly possible to b like dat, Islam teaches u everything Sex, Luv, Friendship even War, its all about da practical life.

    Human brain is limited u can think from it by learning from ur surroundings u canot go beyond ur limited brain. There can be one god, if u think everything is natural how do u explain endless space if u think u have to see the god to believe what is da respect god has what is da greatness he has ull only see what reflects to ur eyes.
     

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    Its all about da practical life Islam doesn’t tell u to go to a forest and do Bhawana or to be a monk and don’t get marry control all ur feelings and don’t hav sex at all u think its practicaly possible to b like dat, Islam teaches u everything Sex, Luv, Friendship even War, its all about da practical life.

    Neither does Buddhism, if that is what you implied.


    Hypothetically, let's say I received the so called "truth" about Islam, since you say everyone does at one point or another, and I chose to reject it, does that mean I go to hell? Does that mean all those that died non-muslim go to hell?