Miracles Of Allah

[asanka10]

monada machanlaaa me mark .. ?

 

[sri_lion]

etakota machnzz ubala perahara vala alinta vada denne ewa hodaida mama nikakn ahanne dont get angry

Angry? what angry? I'm happy at last you made one good comment!

I'm with you! I hate seeing that too... but that's not Buddhism!

Perahara is more of a cultural thing that done by Sinhalese and Hindus rather than its a pure Buddhist doctrine, and now its a big business that attract tourists!

I'm totally with you on this one!

 

[nadeeshaF]

haha ei enam vada danne paw ne kiyala ne neda vada denna kiyala ogallan kottara vadayak nam denawada ara satata


qurhan eke koeda kiyala tiyanne girls lata vada denna kiyalakoi buruwada oka kiwwenettama oya qurhan 1 kiyewwada

How frustrating it is to discuss religion with a muslim, we always end up beating round and round and round the bush.

The exact quran verse was posted on this thread a while back, now you are asking for it again?

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]". . . As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly). . ." (4:34)[/FONT]

There you have it.

Here's a mullah or some such Muslim also discussing wife beating:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58

Now that we have provided you with the necessery, don't try to deviate to elephants and whatnot. Confront the question like a man and answer it.

Do you think it is acceptable for a man to beat his wife for misconduct?

 

[sirajstc]

Angry? what angry? I'm happy at last you made one good comment!

I'm with you! I hate seeing that too... but that's not Buddhism!

Perahara is more of a cultural thing that done by Sinhalese and Hindus rather than its a pure Buddhist doctrine, and now its a big business that attract tourists!

I'm totally with you on this one!

haaa bro...mettara kal mage coments vedak neddaha its ok



buddhism nedda marai ne enam e mokakda broplzzz teach me

 

[sirajstc]

How frustrating it is to discuss religion with a muslim, we always end up beating round and round and round the bush.

The exact quran verse was posted on this thread a while back, now you are asking for it again?



There you have it.

Here's a mullah or some such Muslim also discussing wife beating:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58

Now that we have provided you with the necessery, don't try to deviate to elephants and whatnot. Confront the question like a man and answer it.

Do you think it is acceptable for a man to beat his wife for misconduct?

nangi mata oya liyala tiyana sorce 1 dennako

 

[nadeeshaF]

nangi mata oya liyala tiyana sorce 1 dennako

It's from an Islamic website: http://www.quran-islam.org/228.html

 

[sri_lion]

haaa bro...mettara kal mage coments vedak neddaha its ok

Oluwa happunada kohe hari?

buddhism nedda marai ne enam e mokakda broplzzz teach me

Monawa ahanawada kiyala Allah ma thamai danne!

 

[sirajstc]

It's from an Islamic website: http://www.quran-islam.org/228.html

hey dont belive those sites ewa anti islamic sites venna puluwan


man oyata pehdili karala dennam ey gahnne or some thing ok...

 

[sirajstc]

Oluwa happunada kohe hari?



Monawa ahanawada kiyala Allah ma thamai danne!

ouluwa nam koe wath heppune ne issarata heppeida danne ne

enam ey perahara tiyanne ekai mage prasne

 

[nadeeshaF]

hey dont belive those sites ewa anti islamic sites venna puluwan


man oyata pehdili karala dennam ey gahnne or some thing ok...

Ehema site ekak nam nemei, homepage ekata gihilla ballana - http://www.quran-islam.org/208.html

Gallery ekatath gihila balanna - http://www.quran-islam.org/49.html

Kohewath Islam criticise karal neha.

 

[sri_lion]

enam ey perahara tiyanne ekai mage prasne

Its an ancient Sinhalese ritual that people thought Sacred Tooth Relic brings rain!

It seems that during the time that English banned the Perahara (ahem.. due to some other races influence! ) there was a severe drought.. so people start believing in the ritual more!

This is the reason!

 

[DJ.ROCKSTAR]

Its an ancient Sinhalese ritual that people thought Sacred Tooth Relic brings rain!

It seems that during the time that English banned the Perahara (ahem.. due to some other races influence! ) there was a severe drought.. so people start believing in the ritual more!

This is the reason!

ahaa 1st of all hw a u my dear bro !!!!

 

[sirajstc]

Its an ancient Sinhalese ritual that people thought Sacred Tooth Relic brings rain!

It seems that during the time that English banned the Perahara (ahem.. due to some other races influence! ) there was a severe drought.. so people start believing in the ritual more!

This is the reason!

haa ok i got it

now..satunta vada dena subject 1 gena oya monawada itannesinhalen answers denna

 

[sirajstc]

specilly 4 nadeesha sister

"Then Beat Them"? (Your Wives)
Compiled by Yusuf Estes

Women treatment in Islam

We receive many questions about the treatment of women in Islam in general and what Muslim men do with their wives in particular. The following should help to shed some light on this most important subject.

Question:

I have a question about the treatement of the women in Islam. Could you please tell us why the Quran tells men to

"beat them" meaning their wives?"

[Noble Quran 4:34]



Answer:

Thank you for asking about Islam. It is our commitment to try our best to provide answers to questions to the best of our ability. However, sometimes we come across questions for which we do not have answers. In this case we will refer you to others who may be able to provide you with proper answers.

First of all please be aware that we as Muslims, must never lie about anything, especially our religion.

Secondly, we do have the original text of the Quran and the preserved teachings of Muhammad, peace be upon him. This enables us to verify exactly what was said, intended and taught by Muhammad, peace be upon him, as being the religion of Islam.

Third, I would like to remind myself and all who read this in the future that not all questions are purely questions. Some contain statements and implications, that may or may not be true.

Finally, it is important to keep in mind anytime we discover something in the answers to actually be better than what we already have, we should be committed to change our position and accept that which is true over that which is false and take that which is better for that which is inferior.

After taking all of the above into consideration, if we find that the answer to this question provides us with a better approach to understanding what Almighty God has provided us with as a way of life on this earth and in the Next Life, we should then make the logical decision to begin to worship Him on His terms.

Having said that, let us now look to the particular verse in question in the original text (Arabic), followed by the phonetic sounds in Latin letters and then finally, followed by a translation of the meaning to the English language by experts in both Arabic and in Quranic meanings.

Transliteration Ar-rejalu qawwa muna 'alan-nisa'a bima fadhdhallahu ba'dhahum 'ala bi'dhi wa bima anfaqu min amwalihim. Fas-saliHatu qaintat HafaTHatul-lilghaybi bimaa HafiTHal-lahu, wal-lati takhafuna nushuza hunna fa'iTHuu hunna wa hjuruu hunna fiil-lmadha ji'i wadhribu hunna. Fa'in aTa'nakum flaa tabghuu 'alayhinna sabiilan. Innal-laha kaana 'aliyaan kabiira.

Explanation (tafsir) of Surah 4:34

“Men are the support of women as God gives some more means than others, and because they spend of their wealth (to provide for them). So women who are virtuous are obedient to God and guard the hidden as God has guarded it. As for women you feel are averse, talk to them suasively; then leave them alone in bed (without molesting them) and go to bed with them (when they are willing). If they open out to you, do not seek an excuse for blaming them. Surely God is sublime and great.”

Meaning of the Words

For the three words fa'izu, wahjaru, and wadribu in the original, translated here 'talk to them suasively,' 'leave them alone (in bed - fi'l-madage'),' and 'have intercourse', respectively, see Raghib Lisan al-'Arab and Zamakhsari. Raghib in his Al-Mufridat fi Gharib al-Quran gives the meanings of these words with special reference to this verse. Fa-'izu, he says, means to 'to talk to them so persuasively as to melt their hearts.' (See also v.63 of this Surah where it has been used in a similar sense.)

Hajara - Wahjaru (do not touch or molest them)

Hajara, he says, means to separate body from body, and points out that the expression wahjaru hunna metaphorically means to refrain from touching or molesting them. Zamakhshari is more explicit in his Kshshaf when he says, 'do not get inside their blankets.'

Daraba (to have intercourse, not to beat)

Raghib points out that daraba metaphorically means to have intercourse, and quotes the expression: "Darab al-fahl an-naqah" - 'the stud camel covered the she-camel,' which is also quoted by Lisan al-'Arab.

It cannot be taken here to mean 'to strike, hit or beat them (women).' This view is strengthened by the Prophet's authentic hadith found in a number of authorities, including Bukhari and Muslim:

"Could any of you beat your wife as he would a slave, and then lie with her in the evening?" There are other traditions in Abu Da'ud, Nasa'i, Ibn Majah, Ahmad bin Hanbal and others, to the effect that he forbade the beating of any woman, saying: "Never beat God's handmaidens."

Source:

Al-Quran: a contemporary translation by Ahmed Ali, Princeton University Press, 1988; pp78-79

In the past, some translators of this verse have mistakeningly used the word "beat" to represent the word "dharaba" in Arabic. This is not the opinion of all scholars especially Raghib and Zamakhshari as mentioned above and those who are well grounded in both Islam understanding and the English language.

Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill*conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great.


[Noble Quran 4:34]



We understand from this some of the translations are not properly representing the spirit of the meaning. Therefore, they cannot be considered to be the representation of what has been intended by Almighty God.

Now we can properly understand that Almighty God has commanded the men to provide for the women and allow them to keep all of their wealth, inheritance and income without demanding anything from them for support and maintenance. Additionally, if she should be guilty of lewd or indecent conduct, the husband is told to first, admonish her and then she should cease this lewdness. However, if she should continue in this indecency, then he should no longer share the bed with her, and this would continue for a period of time. Finally, if she would repent then he would take up sharing the bed with her again.

Dr. Jamal Badawi (St. Mary's University, Nova Scotia) is of the opinion these (three stages) are necessary steps prior to divorce. Instead of a man saying, "I divorce you" three times in a row, he should follow this procedure before acting hastily and thereby doing something unwise and displeasing to Allah. The first step would be as mentioned above, to give her a "good talking to" and then if she continued in such unpleasing behavior, to leave the bed (not have intercourse with her) for a period of time and then finally, the last straw would be to "tap" her on the arm with a "tooth stick" or something of this size and nature to signify to her this is the final straw and then if she still persisted in her bad way, he could divorce her.

Regardless of the various positions and opinions, there is no permission establish through the teachings of the Quran or the Sunnah (way) of Muhammad, peace be upon him, wherein one person could "beat" another person.

And Allah is All Knowing of the meanings.

 

[sri_lion]

haa ok i got it

now..satunta vada dena subject 1 gena oya monawada itannesinhalen answers denna

Answer eka deela thiyenne UNIVERSAL language eken!

 

[DJ.ROCKSTAR]

specilly 4 nadeesha sister

"Then Beat Them"? (Your Wives)
Compiled by Yusuf Estes

Women treatment in Islam

We receive many questions about the treatment of women in Islam in general and what Muslim men do with their wives in particular. The following should help to shed some light on this most important subject.

Question:

I have a question about the treatement of the women in Islam. Could you please tell us why the Quran tells men to

"beat them" meaning their wives?"

[Noble Quran 4:34]



Answer:

Thank you for asking about Islam. It is our commitment to try our best to provide answers to questions to the best of our ability. However, sometimes we come across questions for which we do not have answers. In this case we will refer you to others who may be able to provide you with proper answers.

First of all please be aware that we as Muslims, must never lie about anything, especially our religion.

Secondly, we do have the original text of the Quran and the preserved teachings of Muhammad, peace be upon him. This enables us to verify exactly what was said, intended and taught by Muhammad, peace be upon him, as being the religion of Islam.

Third, I would like to remind myself and all who read this in the future that not all questions are purely questions. Some contain statements and implications, that may or may not be true.

Finally, it is important to keep in mind anytime we discover something in the answers to actually be better than what we already have, we should be committed to change our position and accept that which is true over that which is false and take that which is better for that which is inferior.

After taking all of the above into consideration, if we find that the answer to this question provides us with a better approach to understanding what Almighty God has provided us with as a way of life on this earth and in the Next Life, we should then make the logical decision to begin to worship Him on His terms.

Having said that, let us now look to the particular verse in question in the original text (Arabic), followed by the phonetic sounds in Latin letters and then finally, followed by a translation of the meaning to the English language by experts in both Arabic and in Quranic meanings.

Transliteration Ar-rejalu qawwa muna 'alan-nisa'a bima fadhdhallahu ba'dhahum 'ala bi'dhi wa bima anfaqu min amwalihim. Fas-saliHatu qaintat HafaTHatul-lilghaybi bimaa HafiTHal-lahu, wal-lati takhafuna nushuza hunna fa'iTHuu hunna wa hjuruu hunna fiil-lmadha ji'i wadhribu hunna. Fa'in aTa'nakum flaa tabghuu 'alayhinna sabiilan. Innal-laha kaana 'aliyaan kabiira.

Explanation (tafsir) of Surah 4:34

“Men are the support of women as God gives some more means than others, and because they spend of their wealth (to provide for them). So women who are virtuous are obedient to God and guard the hidden as God has guarded it. As for women you feel are averse, talk to them suasively; then leave them alone in bed (without molesting them) and go to bed with them (when they are willing). If they open out to you, do not seek an excuse for blaming them. Surely God is sublime and great.”

Meaning of the Words

For the three words fa'izu, wahjaru, and wadribu in the original, translated here 'talk to them suasively,' 'leave them alone (in bed - fi'l-madage'),' and 'have intercourse', respectively, see Raghib Lisan al-'Arab and Zamakhsari. Raghib in his Al-Mufridat fi Gharib al-Quran gives the meanings of these words with special reference to this verse. Fa-'izu, he says, means to 'to talk to them so persuasively as to melt their hearts.' (See also v.63 of this Surah where it has been used in a similar sense.)

Hajara - Wahjaru (do not touch or molest them)

Hajara, he says, means to separate body from body, and points out that the expression wahjaru hunna metaphorically means to refrain from touching or molesting them. Zamakhshari is more explicit in his Kshshaf when he says, 'do not get inside their blankets.'

Daraba (to have intercourse, not to beat)

Raghib points out that daraba metaphorically means to have intercourse, and quotes the expression: "Darab al-fahl an-naqah" - 'the stud camel covered the she-camel,' which is also quoted by Lisan al-'Arab.

It cannot be taken here to mean 'to strike, hit or beat them (women).' This view is strengthened by the Prophet's authentic hadith found in a number of authorities, including Bukhari and Muslim:

"Could any of you beat your wife as he would a slave, and then lie with her in the evening?" There are other traditions in Abu Da'ud, Nasa'i, Ibn Majah, Ahmad bin Hanbal and others, to the effect that he forbade the beating of any woman, saying: "Never beat God's handmaidens."

Source:

Al-Quran: a contemporary translation by Ahmed Ali, Princeton University Press, 1988; pp78-79

In the past, some translators of this verse have mistakeningly used the word "beat" to represent the word "dharaba" in Arabic. This is not the opinion of all scholars especially Raghib and Zamakhshari as mentioned above and those who are well grounded in both Islam understanding and the English language.

Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill*conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great.


[Noble Quran 4:34]



We understand from this some of the translations are not properly representing the spirit of the meaning. Therefore, they cannot be considered to be the representation of what has been intended by Almighty God.

Now we can properly understand that Almighty God has commanded the men to provide for the women and allow them to keep all of their wealth, inheritance and income without demanding anything from them for support and maintenance. Additionally, if she should be guilty of lewd or indecent conduct, the husband is told to first, admonish her and then she should cease this lewdness. However, if she should continue in this indecency, then he should no longer share the bed with her, and this would continue for a period of time. Finally, if she would repent then he would take up sharing the bed with her again.

Dr. Jamal Badawi (St. Mary's University, Nova Scotia) is of the opinion these (three stages) are necessary steps prior to divorce. Instead of a man saying, "I divorce you" three times in a row, he should follow this procedure before acting hastily and thereby doing something unwise and displeasing to Allah. The first step would be as mentioned above, to give her a "good talking to" and then if she continued in such unpleasing behavior, to leave the bed (not have intercourse with her) for a period of time and then finally, the last straw would be to "tap" her on the arm with a "tooth stick" or something of this size and nature to signify to her this is the final straw and then if she still persisted in her bad way, he could divorce her.

Regardless of the various positions and opinions, there is no permission establish through the teachings of the Quran or the Sunnah (way) of Muhammad, peace be upon him, wherein one person could "beat" another person.

And Allah is All Knowing of the meanings.

ahaa machanz ela ban ela ela keep it up

 

[sirajstc]

Answer eka deela thiyenne UNIVERSAL language eken!

issala dunna answer 1 ta

 

[DJ.ROCKSTAR]

Answer eka deela thiyenne UNIVERSAL language eken!

affatasiri ammapaa ai bro maththakka tharahada thanne oya ne lolz alians languge thannedda???

 

[sirajstc]

affatasiri ammapaa ai bro maththakka tharahada thanne oya ne lolz alians languge thannedda???

universal vitarai sri-lion kiwwata vedak nesinhala beri nam

 

[DJ.ROCKSTAR]

universal vitarai sri-lion kiwwata vedak nesinhala beri nam

affatasiri ekanam mama piligannawaa hehe koo api bro sri lion ayya