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It did? The link that I sent you introduction started with:
Oh well, no worries. Have a good one.
Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that
a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God. If you translate this into Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, but God
Surah Fussilat:
"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?"
[Al-Quran 41:53]
a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God. If you translate this into Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, but God
Surah Fussilat:
"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?"
[Al-Quran 41:53]
Yes but I was straightly going to the point, where it begins to explain the existence of GOD via science.
It begins like this,
Many examples showing God's design could be given,.....
When I said "It starts with" in my previous post I did not mean the first sentence of the article literally, but meant where the important part that is relevant to the discussion(i.e. scientific proof of GOD) begins.
The article tries to explain, the complexity and the perfectness of the creation. The assumption is that such complex and perfect entity needs a creator. This is a classic case of "Watch Maker" in my opinion.
First let me correct the saying, The original one is
"a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism; but depth in philosophy bringeth men’s minds about to religion"
There's no mention of GOD or science here. In fact this makes sense since at the very edge of the philosophy lies the religion. But religion is not equal to GOD.
Next let me take a qoute from another one of his essays,(Francis Bacon The Essays- xvii of superstition)
"Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation: all which may be guides to an outward moral virtue... but superstition dismounts all these and erecteth an absolute monarchy in the minds of men: therefore atheism never did perturb states; for it makes men wary of themeselves... and we see the times inclined to atheism (as the time of Augustus Caesar) were civil times; but superstition hath been the confusion of many states, and bringeth in a new 'primum mobile.' that ravisheth all the spheres of government"
Makes perfect sense if you ask me..
Now here's my favorite one
"Men have sought to make a world from their own conception and to draw from their own minds all the material which they employed, but if, instead of doing so, they had consulted experience and observation, they would have the facts and not opinions to reason about, and might have ultimately arrived at the knowledge of the laws which govern the material world"
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Awesome Liliwang ! but I don't think this guy have the capacity to grab this idea some people are just want some arguements only
Yeah there is a big whole in your soul , but that whole only can be filled by true spirit of GOD. even those who claim that there is no GOD they b'live in Astology or some other forms
God of self is the worse devil one can have
As for me I worship Jesus Christ. I believe He is God. I have chosen Him because He is the only one that can testify to sufferings. All the others that claim to be god, how can we even gain a relationship with them if we have a feeling at the back of our minds that they don’t even know what we are going through? With that, I say, not to offend anyone, but all others are either merely human beings (no divinity) or mere fables (non- existent). Jesus’ main point is to love all. No matter race, creed or gender. Is there any a greater commandment to follow? Love is the greatest and my Lord, is love.
May you, AncientGlory, have many happy returns.
Take care.
Other thing is this Acientglory should know that bible say God is love , if you don't know the true love then you can not see GOD
Now some people might ask "well there are so many people claimed to be GOD" if you carefully study other text with words of jesus you can find others are just claim to be god & beggin human worship, but jesus never just claim to be god he gave a solution to our proplem, more over jesus set a marvelous example for our life, further he gave his life for eternal truth
I have much to say but I don't think at once you have the capacity to grab all these things but I hope one day you will find true GOD trough Jesus
I also truely know that Jesus is the way
මෙ වගේ පොත් කියවලා සැබැ ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙගෙ දහම තෙරුම් ගන්න බැ, නියම ලෙස බයිබලය ප්රමාණවත් එ විතරක් නෙම්යි අපට උදව් කරුවකුත් එවන්න ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙ පොරොද්දු වෙලා තියෙන්වා.
මට ලොකු දෙයක් කියන්න අවස්ශ නැ නමුත් මගෙ ජිවිතය වෙන්ස කරපු වකය කිහිපක් ඔබ හමුවේ ගෙන හැර දක්වන්නම් , නමුත් හොදට මතක තියාගන්න his ways are not your ways
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 1 John 4:8
නියම දෙවියන්වහන්සෙ හෙලිදරව් වෙන්වා ඔබ නියම ලෙස එතුමාව සොයන්වා නම්
I love those who love me, and those who seek me find me Proverbs 8:17
අපි දකිනවා වෙන දෙවියන්ව ඔබට දැක කන්නට පුලුවන් වෙනවා කියන්නෙ මැරුනාට පසුව නමුත් ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙ මෙහෙම කතාවක් කියනවා
John 14:21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."
මොකක්ද මේ Lacking Wisdom එක, ඔව් භෞතික දෙවල් අදයනය කිරිමෙ දැනුම ඔබ අප හැමොටම තියෙන්න පුලුවන් නමුත් එතුමාව තෙරුම් ගන්න පුලුවන්කම්ක් එහෙම නැතිනම් True Spiritual Wisdom අපිට ලැබෙන්නෙ එතුමාගේන් පමණයි, එයට ප්රවිශ්ට වෙන්න පුලුවන් එතුමාගේ අනට කීකරුවිමෙන්
James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.
වෙන ආගම්වල බොහොවිට ආදාල දෙවියන්ව විශ්වාස කරලා වැදනවා නම් යම් පිහිටක් පතා ඔබ එතුමාගෙ අනුගාමිකයෙක්, නමුත් ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙගෙ අනුගාමිකයකු විමට සුදුසුකම වන්නෙ කුමක්ද? අපි දන්නවා ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙ හුදු වැදුම් පිදුම් බලාපොරොත්තු වුනෙ නැ එතුමා අදරයට මුල් තැනක් දුන්නා
A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples - Lord Jesus Christ
කිතු සමිදුන්ගෙ දහම ගොඩාක් වෙනස්, දෙවියන් වහන්සෙගෙ පුත්රයා මෙ මහාපොලවට එවලා දිවිහිමියෙන්, ගොඩාක් වෙලාවට තම ජිවිතයෙන් සතයට සාක්ශි දැරුවා එ වගෙම නැවත පැමිනෙන්වා සියලු දෙනා විනිශ්චය කරන්න? ඔව් එතුමා තමයි නීතියත්, සාදාචාරයත් මනුස්සයාට ඉගැන්වුයේ එයට විරුද්ධ වු අයට එවාට වගකයන්න වෙන්වා ඔබට අප කරන සැම පාපයකටම අපට එතුමා ඉදිරියේ කට උත්තර දිමට සිදුවනවා රටක රජ තුමා වගෙ එතුමා තමයි මෙ ලොකයටම රජු මෙ එතුමාගෙ අණ එය පිලිගන්න අයත් සිටිනවා Free-will එක අයුතු ලෙස පාවිච්චි කරලා අනිකාට හිරිහැරයක්ම වුන අය සිටිනවා එතුමා යහපතට ඇලුම් කරනවා අයහපත හෙලා දකිනවා
ආලොකය නොමැති කල අදුර පවතිනවා, හොද නොමැති කල නපුර රජයනවා, හොද නරක වෙන් කර හදුනා ගැනිමෙ බලය ඔබට දි තිබෙනවා , හොද නරක කිසියම් දෙයක් නොව ඔබෙ ඒ තොරාගැනිමේ ප්රතිපලයකි එ මර්ගයත් තොරාගත්තෙ මිනිසා විසින්මය
ඔබෙ චෙතනාව යහපත් නම් ක්රියාවත් යහපත් එකක් වෙවි, එතුලින් මෙ ලොකයේ නපුර නැති කිරිමෙත්, ඇතිකිරිමෙත් බලයත් ඔබට ඇත ඉතින් නපුර තොරාගෙන කෙල වුනාම නපුරට සාප නොකර හොද දෙම කරන්න මිනිසාට විතරයි මේ හැකියාව තියෙන්නෙ.
ඔබට දෙවි පිහිටයි !
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]How do you know GOD is there?
I have been given three explanation for this so far.
(1) It is a feeling you get. You feel GOD.
(2) You just know it. (Yeah that's it, no explanation or whatever)
(3) The universe it self is a proof of GODs existence.
All the above 3 does not make any sense to me. Do you have anything that make more sense?[/SIZE][/FONT]If you study the QURAN and un edited version of BIBLE (Original Hebrew version), you will get more evidence to GOD's existence.
(1) It is not just a feeling brother good thing is you can make a relationship with my loving GOD
(2) Just like you know your Mother & Your Father I know about him very well If you find true love someday I think you will find GOD
(3) Yes this creation itself is a proof of GOD, WHY? 1. Simple things or incidence cannot cause Complex or Complicate things (Don't try to tell me that this world is not that complicated , just look around and think) 2. Information only came from a mind (rational mind) 3. Existence of Morality and the list will go on and on.
Do you have any logical explanation where does this universe including life came from?
Your life itself is a proof of an intelligent behind this marvelous creation
By the way if you are so sure about that there is no GOD then why are so worried about it?
I do believe only in one true almighty God because he came to this world just to show God's love to all the World, moreover he brought a onetime solution to human sufferings, all the other Gods asking your worship only (some even do not really know to whom there are praying for) they said he will forgive but poor worshippers don't know for sure what the hell he is expecting from them, but one God came to this world in an ordinary way he did many miracles he testify GOD, he made strong statements like no other (Human or GOD) he lived a sinless life, he said he came to serve the human. he said he will raise you on the last day many times he himself raise from the dead after 3 days over 500 people witness this some even touched him just to check his physical body is really there
He said he will come all his glory near future to judge the world
Well………. after reading all the above facts still you can say, well he lived and he died he may have risen to life again and now he is no more
then I would like say that he's promised that he will never leave his followers or children alone he said "i will send the god's spirit upon my people" yes I am here to testify for the truth of holy spirit, it is real as Jesus said he will guide you to the eternal truth then no one can snatch you away from GOD. Holy Spirit is just like a seal of GOD to certify his true children. No matter how many times you read the Quran or Bible (because if you do not know the context well you might come to the wrong conclution) you won't be able to know for sure that there is a living God unless you have this holy spirit. only two factors or one person can bring you close to the GOD 1. Love 2. Holy Spirit or 3. Since Both Love and Holy spirit is eternally abides in Jesus the son of god, True Teachings of Jesus Christ also can bring you to the one true GOD.
He himself is the truth.
Warning: Truth can not be told
"Submit yourselves to God then. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." This quote comes from James 4:7 (NIV). When you are indwelt with the Holy Spirit you will know right from wrong. Your heart will convict you when you have made a sinful mistake or when you are willfully sinning. Sometimes we can delude ourselves into thinking that we have not sinned or that we don’t need to ask for forgiveness for petty sins. The truth is that grace covers all sin but even for minor sins we need to ask forgiveness from God. Because Jesus paid the price for sin when we sin after we’ve been saved we still need to ask for forgiveness because this is a whole new sin Jesus is paying for.
Are you saying every complex or complicated thing needs a complex cause?
What proof do you have in saying simple things cannot cause complex things?
Here in the actual world that we live in, information comes from various sources. My colleague collects lots of information for his research that comes from Electrical Sensors he has stationed outside.
How the existance of Morality proves GOD is beyond me. I think it actually gives evidence against GOD concept.
Yes. It was created by the FSM.
Not at all. It is not even close to proof. Unless you call blind faith proof.
I'm not least bit worried. What gave you the impression that I'm worried?By the way if you are so sure about that there is no GOD then why are so worried about it?
I do believe only in one true almighty God because he came to this world just to show God's love to all the World, moreover he brought a onetime solution to human sufferings, all the other Gods asking your worship only (some even do not really know to whom there are praying for) they said he will forgive but poor worshippers don't know for sure what the hell he is expecting from them, but one God came to this world in an ordinary way he did many miracles he testify GOD, he made strong statements like no other (Human or GOD) he lived a sinless life, he said he came to serve the human. he said he will raise you on the last day many times he himself raise from the dead after 3 days over 500 people witness this some even touched him just to check his physical body is really there
He said he will come all his glory near future to judge the world
Well………. after reading all the above facts still you can say, well he lived and he died he may have risen to life again and now he is no more
then I would like say that he's promised that he will never leave his followers or children alone he said "i will send the god's spirit upon my people" yes I am here to testify for the truth of holy spirit, it is real as Jesus said he will guide you to the eternal truth then no one can snatch you away from GOD. Holy Spirit is just like a seal of GOD to certify his true children. No matter how many times you read the Quran or Bible (because if you do not know the context well you might come to the wrong conclution) you won't be able to know for sure that there is a living God unless you have this holy spirit. only two factors or one person can bring you close to the GOD 1. Love 2. Holy Spirit or 3. Since Both Love and Holy spirit is eternally abides in Jesus the son of god, True Teachings of Jesus Christ also can bring you to the one true GOD.
He himself is the truth.
Warning: Truth can not be told
Yeah, anyways the reason that you know GOD is there also falls under the above categories that I mentioned. So in other words you just believe what you want to believe without any proof or evidence. You have blind faith. This is nothing new, so thanks but not interested.
Are you saying every complex or complicated thing needs a complex cause?
Brother we know all these buildings, vehicles etc are all human creation there is a big mind behind all of these things in this world it may be human mind otherwise it is a creation of GOD
I am not going to argue anymore but I do b'live from my childhood there is a reason for all these things this world for me he is a well design one for me ... and there is a reason or meaning for our life
I myself is a miracle of gloriest God
Here in the actual world that we live in, information comes from various sources. My colleague collects lots of information for his research that comes from Electrical Sensors he has stationed outside.
Information is not Knowledge brother
but even information comes from a mind
How the existance of Morality proves GOD is beyond me. I think it actually gives evidence against GOD concept.
Morality proves that Almighty God do exists , people like you have no explaination for it, we know God has set some rules whether you like it or not you have to obey it
Just think Why Good deeds always bring good result? Why the hell Animal kills other everyday but Human can not kill each other like that his. When you do wrong why your heart questioning about it ? there are much to say but I wil stop by these two because once you got used to think certain way it is very difficult for you to see the world the way i see
Cause of effect is a wonderful learning model of GOD if you study this system you will be surprise by Joy
Yes. It was created by the FSM.
Have you ever seen it? Did he claim for it? Do not talk nonsense brother
Not at all. It is not even close to proof. Unless you call blind faith proof.
I'm not least bit worried. What gave you the impression that I'm worried?
Yeah, anyways the reason that you know GOD is there also falls under the above categories that I mentioned. So in other words you just believe what you want to believe without any proof or evidence. You have blind faith. This is nothing new, so thanks but not interested.
ha ha ha ha
My Faith is not Blind brother I have seen him , I have experience it Holy Spirit wil bring you to the truth I have reason to b'live my faith is not blind my faith based on many things our God is not playing hide and seek like other so called GODs (not god at all)
I will testify Jesus as my Lord and My God. Jesus is my father
IF you are not interest that is up to you but I tell you the truth son of man will come down from the heaven to bring his kingdom on earth
May God bless you "May he deliver you from Evil"
පුතෙ ඔබතුමා අහනවානෙ ඔප්පු කරලා පෙන්වන්න කියලා ඉතින් මට බලෙන් එක කරලා පෙන්වන්න බැ ඔබතුමා ඇත්තරම දැන ගැනිමට කැමතිනම් මම ඔබ වෙනුවෙන් එතුමාගෙන් ඉල්ලිමක් කරන්නම් හැබැයි ඕබ්ත් මෙහෙම පොඩි Pray එකක් කියන්න 'ජෙසුනි මේ Y2k කියන දෙ සතයක් නම් ඔබතුමා මා මැරෙන්නට කලින් එලිදරව් වෙන මෙන් අවනතව ඉල්ලා සිටිමි. ආමෙන්
ඇකමැතිනම් නොසලාක හරින්න
John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
This is because it is evident that there is evil in the world, if there was only evil then we are all headed for destruction. Therefore, there must be something good, something far greater than our own comprehension that can save us all from that path of destruction. I say that God is good because, most well civilized individuals would not want to glorify something that can further add to destruction. Most people want peace of mind, and most want to be delivered from the evil of the world. (I say most, because there are those that worship the devil himself.)
God is there because all human beings have a desire to worship something. Even the people who do not believe in a god are most likely self-centred of their own sort, this is self worship. This creates a 'god' of self. If there was no god, then there would be no need for such a desire. Therefore, in the absence of a god, so too would there be an absence of this desire.
As for me I worship Jesus Christ. I believe He is God. I have chosen Him because He is the only one that can testify to sufferings. All the others that claim to be god, how can we even gain a relationship with them if we have a feeling at the back of our minds that they don’t even know what we are going through? With that, I say, not to offend anyone, but all others are either merely human beings (no divinity) or mere fables (non- existent). Jesus’ main point is to love all. No matter race, creed or gender. Is there any a greater commandment to follow? Love is the greatest and my Lord, is love.
May you, AncientGlory, have many happy returns.
Take care.
සමහර අය කවමදාකමත් නිගමනයකට එලබෙන්නෙ නැ නිකන් ප්රශ්නවලට පමනක් ඇලුම් කරනවා එයාලා හිතනවා එයාලාවත් නොදන්න මෙ ප්රශ්න නිසා මහ ලොකු දාර්ශනික මොලයක් ඒයට තියෙන්වා කියලා හැබැයි වෙන විකල්ප පිලිතුරුත් නැ, ආගමකුත් නැ, අරමුනකුත් නැ නිකන්ම නිකන් ප්රශ්න කරන්නම පමනක් වෙලා,
මෙ අය නිකමටවත් හිතන්නෙ නැ ඇයි මේ අය මෙහෙම ප්රශ්න කරන්නෙ කියලා? ඉතින් ඔය කියන විදිහට අපි නිකන්ම ඇති වුනානම් නිකන්ම නැතිවෙලා යනවානම් ඇයි මේ ප්රශ්න? (එතනම පිලිතුර සැගව තියෙනවා හරියට බැලුවහොත්)
