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first try to make sense man
John 3:19, "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
You did not answer my question. Are you saying every complex or complicated thing needs a complicated cause? Yes or No is sufficient.
That's fine. We can conclude that the reasons you know GOD is there also fall under the same things I posted in first post, and doesn't make sense.
So what? Does it mean information only comes from mind? Have you heard of the saying "Yanne koheda malle pol?"Information is not Knowledge brother
but even information comes from a mind
Yes I have and yes he claimed.
Have you seen GOD? Did he claim for it? Do not talk nonsense brother.
සමහර අය කවමදාකමත් නිගමනයකට එලබෙන්නෙ නැ නිකන් ප්රශ්නවලට පමනක් ඇලුම් කරනවා එයාලා හිතනවා එයාලාවත් නොදන්න මෙ ප්රශ්න නිසා මහ ලොකු දාර්ශනික මොලයක් ඒයට තියෙන්වා කියලා හැබැයි වෙන විකල්ප පිලිතුරුත් නැ, ආගමකුත් නැ, අරමුනකුත් නැ නිකන්ම නිකන් ප්රශ්න කරන්නම පමනක් වෙලා,
මෙ අය නිකමටවත් හිතන්නෙ නැ ඇයි මේ අය මෙහෙම ප්රශ්න කරන්නෙ කියලා? ඉතින් ඔය කියන විදිහට අපි නිකන්ම ඇති වුනානම් නිකන්ම නැතිවෙලා යනවානම් ඇයි මේ ප්රශ්න? (එතනම පිලිතුර සැගව තියෙනවා හරියට බැලුවහොත්)
I think she is Chinese.
The Answer is YES
But How?
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip (Ela_eluwa), even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?[/SIZE]
Information is the fact it can be merely a Data. It is the surmise that a thing or thought exists. Knowledge is the acquisition of said thought or thing and putting it to use. A machine cannot think for itself, a person can. If the computer could think and take action on the input then it would cease to be completely machine and become a life form. I think therefore I am, I act and react, therefore I am human. Machine does not have "free will" either
You did not answer my question. Are you saying every complex or complicated thing needs a complicated cause? Yes or No is sufficient.
Hell yes take a look around bro
That's fine. We can conclude that the reasons you know GOD is there also fall under the same things I posted in first post, and doesn't make sense.
So what? Does it mean information only comes from mind? Have you heard of the saying "Yanne koheda malle pol?"
Yes I have and yes he claimed.
සමහර අය කවමදාකමත් නිගමනයකට එලබෙන්නෙ නැ නිකන් ප්රශ්නවලට පමනක් ඇලුම් කරනවා එයාලා හිතනවා එයාලාවත් නොදන්න මෙ ප්රශ්න නිසා මහ ලොකු දාර්ශනික මොලයක් ඒයට තියෙන්වා කියලා හැබැයි වෙන විකල්ප පිලිතුරුත් නැ, ආගමකුත් නැ, අරමුනකුත් නැ නිකන්ම නිකන් ප්රශ්න කරන්නම පමනක් වෙලා,
මෙ අය නිකමටවත් හිතන්නෙ නැ ඇයි මේ අය මෙහෙම ප්රශ්න කරන්නෙ කියලා? ඉතින් ඔය කියන විදිහට අපි නිකන්ම ඇති වුනානම් නිකන්ම නැතිවෙලා යනවානම් ඇයි මේ ප්රශ්න? (එතනම පිලිතුර සැගව තියෙනවා හරියට බැලුවහොත්)
හොදයි දැන් මෙ මහ බුද්ධිමත් පුද්ගලයන් දෙදෙනා දෙවියන් නැහැ කියලා හොදටම දන්නවානම් ඇයි මේ ප්රශ්න කිරිම්? එහෙම කෙනෙකු ඉන්නවා නම් දැන ගන්නද? නැතිනම් නැතිබව තාම සුවර් නැද්ද?
යකො බොලා කියන විදිහට මෙක නිකම් ම ඉබෙ ඇතිවුනෙනම් අපි ජිවිත යනු ස්බාදහමෙහි ඇත් වැරද්දක් නම් මොන මගුලකටද? මෙ ගැන ලතවෙන්නෙ? එක දෙයක් ඉතා පැහැදිලි මෙවැනි පුද්ගලයන්ට අවස්ස නිගමනවලට එලබෙන්න නෙමෙයි නිකම් ප්රශ්න ඇතිකරන්න එක හොදටම පැහැදිලි වෙන්වා මේ පුද්ගලයන්ගෙ ප්රශ්න දිහ බැලුවම
Atheists, where does the information come from?
Information Theory and DNA deal a crushing blow to Atheism, because the laws of physics and chemistry do not account for the existence of information.
You are invited to study, in detail, one of the longest-running debates in the history of the Infidels discussion board.
Verify for yourself: To the extent that science can demonstrate anything, the information in DNA is evidence of design in living things.
Brother yes his greatest creation is Human being
We know that today’s Computer won't ever exists without a human mind likewise this world including you and me cannot come to the existence without a mighty mind
Brother our physical brain have limited capacity (for a reason) therefore in this nature we won't be able to understand it fully but after you receive a new body (spiritual body) I think you will be able to know GOD completely
All we can say he is the only uncaused cause
For your further reading I will provide an article from the Book "Why the Universe is the Way it is by Hugh Ross
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Enjoy reading it
Scripture refers to God as having no beginning or ending, as being uncreated (see Deut. 33:27, Job 36:26, Pss. 41:13 list goes on
How great is God--beyond our understanding! The number of his years is past finding out. - Job 36:26
1 Corinthians 13:12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
How great is God--beyond our understanding! The number of his years is past finding out. - Job 36:26
1 Corinthians 13:12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
Who created GOD ? (question itself is not valid because God is not a created thing or being)
අපි දන්නවා අපෙ දැනුම සිමිතයි අපි ජිවත්වන්නෙ භෞතික නියමයන්ට යටත්වයි නමුත් මම උත්සහයක් ගන්නම් මෙක තෙරුම් කරලා දෙන්න
අපි දන්නවා කොච්චි පෙට්ටි එකි නෙකට ඉදිරියට ඇදෙනවා හැම කොච්චි පෙට්ටියක්ම ඉදිරි ඇති පෙට්ටිය මගින් ඉදිරියට තල්ලු වෙන්වා නමුත් හිතන්න විදාව ගැන කිසිවක් නොදන්න කෙනෙකු ඇවි අහනවා කොහොමද අවසාන පෙට්ටිය ඉදිරියට ඇදෙන්නෙ කියලා දැනුම ඇති කෙනා කියනවා ඉර ඉදිරියෙන් ඇති පෙට්ටි පිලිවලින් එය ඉදිරියට තල්ලු කරනවා කියා අර කෙනා කොහොම කියාලා හරි උගතා වගෙ අහනවා හරි කියන්න බල්න්න එහෙනම් පලමු පෙට්ටිය නොහොත් ඇන්ජිම ඉදිරියට ඇදෙන්නෙ කෙසෙද? ඉදිරියෙන් තවත් පෙට්ටියක් නැ නෙ කියලා? විදාව හො කොච්චියක් දැකපු නැති කෙනෙකුට මෙක ඉතා ගැබුරු ප්රශ්නයක් නමුත් විදාව දන්න කෙනා දන්නවා එය විසින්ම බලයක් නිපදවා ගන්නවා අනික් පෙට්ටිත් එකිනෙකට තල්ලු කරගෙනම 000000 මේ වගෙ දෙයක් නිසා තමයි
මා නිතරම කියනවා වගෙ දෙවියන් වහන්සෙ අපිට ඔහුගෙ මැවිල්ලෙන්ම මෙවා උගන්වනවා අපි තරමක් හිතන්න ගත්තොත් සියලුම දේවල් වලට පිලිතුරු තියෙන්වා අපි ඔනැ තරම් දැක් තමාගෙ දෙවල් තමාම නිපදවා ගන්න සතුන් , අර්තික රටාවන් වගෙ දෙවල්
ඉතින් දෙවියන්ට අමුතුවෙන් හෙතුවක් අවස්ස නැ එතුමන් හැමදාම වැඩ සිටියා අරම්භයක් නැ අවසානයක් නැ අපිට අරම්බයක් අවසානයක් තිබෙන නිසා (ලොකයෙ සියලුම දෙවලට) අපිට මෙක හිතාගන්න බැ එකයි මෙ ගැටලුව
අපි දන්නවා අපෙ දැනුම සිමිතයි අපි ජිවත්වන්නෙ භෞතික නියමයන්ට යටත්වයි නමුත් මම උත්සහයක් ගන්නම් මෙක තෙරුම් කරලා දෙන්න
අපි දන්නවා කොච්චි පෙට්ටි එකි නෙකට ඉදිරියට ඇදෙනවා හැම කොච්චි පෙට්ටියක්ම ඉදිරි ඇති පෙට්ටිය මගින් ඉදිරියට තල්ලු වෙන්වා නමුත් හිතන්න විදාව ගැන කිසිවක් නොදන්න කෙනෙකු ඇවි අහනවා කොහොමද අවසාන පෙට්ටිය ඉදිරියට ඇදෙන්නෙ කියලා දැනුම ඇති කෙනා කියනවා ඉර ඉදිරියෙන් ඇති පෙට්ටි පිලිවලින් එය ඉදිරියට තල්ලු කරනවා කියා අර කෙනා කොහොම කියාලා හරි උගතා වගෙ අහනවා හරි කියන්න බල්න්න එහෙනම් පලමු පෙට්ටිය නොහොත් ඇන්ජිම ඉදිරියට ඇදෙන්නෙ කෙසෙද? ඉදිරියෙන් තවත් පෙට්ටියක් නැ නෙ කියලා? විදාව හො කොච්චියක් දැකපු නැති කෙනෙකුට මෙක ඉතා ගැබුරු ප්රශ්නයක් නමුත් විදාව දන්න කෙනා දන්නවා එය විසින්ම බලයක් නිපදවා ගන්නවා අනික් පෙට්ටිත් එකිනෙකට තල්ලු කරගෙනම 000000 මේ වගෙ දෙයක් නිසා තමයි
මා නිතරම කියනවා වගෙ දෙවියන් වහන්සෙ අපිට ඔහුගෙ මැවිල්ලෙන්ම මෙවා උගන්වනවා අපි තරමක් හිතන්න ගත්තොත් සියලුම දේවල් වලට පිලිතුරු තියෙන්වා අපි ඔනැ තරම් දැක් තමාගෙ දෙවල් තමාම නිපදවා ගන්න සතුන් , අර්තික රටාවන් වගෙ දෙවල්
ඉතින් දෙවියන්ට අමුතුවෙන් හෙතුවක් අවස්ස නැ එතුමන් හැමදාම වැඩ සිටියා අරම්භයක් නැ අවසානයක් නැ අපිට අරම්බයක් අවසානයක් තිබෙන නිසා (ලොකයෙ සියලුම දෙවලට) අපිට මෙක හිතාගන්න බැ එකයි මෙ ගැටලුව
Who Made God?
— By Frank Turek
The following is from I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist, pages 92-93
: In light of all the evidence for a beginning of the space-time universe,the Beginner must be outside the space-time universe. When God is suggested as the Beginner, atheists are quick to ask the age-old question, “Then who made God? If everything needs a cause, then God needs a cause too!“
As we have seen, the Law of Causality is the very foundation of science.Science is a search for causes, and that search is based on our consistent observation that everything that has a beginning has a cause. In fact, the question “Who made God?” points out how seriously we take the Law of Causality. It‘s taken for granted that virtually everything needs a cause.
So why then doesn‘t God need a cause? Because the atheist’s contention misunderstands the Law of Causality. The Law of Causality does not say that everything needs a cause. It says that everything that comes to be needs a cause. God did not come to be. No one made God. He is unmade. As an eternal being, God did not have a beginning,so he didn’t need a cause.
“But wait,” the atheist will protest, “if you can have an eternal God, then I can have an eternal universe! After all, if the universe is eternal, then it did not have a cause.“ Yes, it is logically possible that the universe is eternal and therefore didn’t have a cause. In fact, it is one of only two possibilities: either the universe, or something outside the universe, is eternal. (Since something undeniably exists today, then something must have always existed; we have only two choices: the universe, or something that caused the universe.)
The problem for the atheist is that while it is logically possible that the universe is eternal, it does not seem to be actually possible. For all the scientific and philosophical evidence (SURGE– Second Law, Universe is expanding, Radiation Afterglow, Great galaxy seeds, Einstein’s GR–radioactive decay, and the Kalam Cosmological Argument) tells us the universe cannot be eternal. So by ruling out one of the two options, we are left with the only other option–something outside the universe is eternal.
When you get right down to it, there are only two possibilities for anything that exists: either 1) it has always existed and is therefore uncaused, or 2) it had a beginning and was caused by something else (it can’t be self-caused, because it would have had to exist already in order to cause anything). According to overwhelming evidence, the universe had a beginning, so it must be caused by something else– by something outside itself. Notice that this conclusion is consistent with theistic religions, but it is not based on those religions– it is based on good reason and evidence.
So what is this First Cause like? One might think you need to rely on a Bible or some other so-called religious revelation to answer that question, but, again, we don’t need anyone‘s scripture to figure that out. Einstein was right when he said, “Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind.“Religion can be informed and confirmed by science, as it is by the Cosmological Argument. Namely, we can discover some characteristics of the First Cause just from the evidence we‘ve discussed in this chapter. From that evidence alone, we know the First Cause must be:
•self-existent,timeless, nonspatial, and immaterial (since the First Cause created time, space, and matter, the First Cause must be outside of time,space, and matter). In other words, he is without limits, or infinite;
•unimaginably powerful, to create the entire universe out of nothing;
•supremely intelligent, to design the universe with such incredible precision (we=ll see more of this in the next chapter);
•personal,in order to choose to convert a state of nothingness into the time-space-material universe (an impersonal force has no ability to make choices).
These characteristics of the First Cause are exactly the characteristics theists ascribe to God. Again, these characteristics are not based on someone's religion or subjective experience. They are drawn from the scientific evidence we have just reviewed, and they help us see a critically important section of the box top to this puzzle we call life. (The book then goes on to build the case that this is the God of Christianity.)
— By Frank Turek
The following is from I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist, pages 92-93
: In light of all the evidence for a beginning of the space-time universe,the Beginner must be outside the space-time universe. When God is suggested as the Beginner, atheists are quick to ask the age-old question, “Then who made God? If everything needs a cause, then God needs a cause too!“
As we have seen, the Law of Causality is the very foundation of science.Science is a search for causes, and that search is based on our consistent observation that everything that has a beginning has a cause. In fact, the question “Who made God?” points out how seriously we take the Law of Causality. It‘s taken for granted that virtually everything needs a cause.
So why then doesn‘t God need a cause? Because the atheist’s contention misunderstands the Law of Causality. The Law of Causality does not say that everything needs a cause. It says that everything that comes to be needs a cause. God did not come to be. No one made God. He is unmade. As an eternal being, God did not have a beginning,so he didn’t need a cause.
“But wait,” the atheist will protest, “if you can have an eternal God, then I can have an eternal universe! After all, if the universe is eternal, then it did not have a cause.“ Yes, it is logically possible that the universe is eternal and therefore didn’t have a cause. In fact, it is one of only two possibilities: either the universe, or something outside the universe, is eternal. (Since something undeniably exists today, then something must have always existed; we have only two choices: the universe, or something that caused the universe.)
The problem for the atheist is that while it is logically possible that the universe is eternal, it does not seem to be actually possible. For all the scientific and philosophical evidence (SURGE– Second Law, Universe is expanding, Radiation Afterglow, Great galaxy seeds, Einstein’s GR–radioactive decay, and the Kalam Cosmological Argument) tells us the universe cannot be eternal. So by ruling out one of the two options, we are left with the only other option–something outside the universe is eternal.
When you get right down to it, there are only two possibilities for anything that exists: either 1) it has always existed and is therefore uncaused, or 2) it had a beginning and was caused by something else (it can’t be self-caused, because it would have had to exist already in order to cause anything). According to overwhelming evidence, the universe had a beginning, so it must be caused by something else– by something outside itself. Notice that this conclusion is consistent with theistic religions, but it is not based on those religions– it is based on good reason and evidence.
So what is this First Cause like? One might think you need to rely on a Bible or some other so-called religious revelation to answer that question, but, again, we don’t need anyone‘s scripture to figure that out. Einstein was right when he said, “Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind.“Religion can be informed and confirmed by science, as it is by the Cosmological Argument. Namely, we can discover some characteristics of the First Cause just from the evidence we‘ve discussed in this chapter. From that evidence alone, we know the First Cause must be:
•self-existent,timeless, nonspatial, and immaterial (since the First Cause created time, space, and matter, the First Cause must be outside of time,space, and matter). In other words, he is without limits, or infinite;
•unimaginably powerful, to create the entire universe out of nothing;
•supremely intelligent, to design the universe with such incredible precision (we=ll see more of this in the next chapter);
•personal,in order to choose to convert a state of nothingness into the time-space-material universe (an impersonal force has no ability to make choices).
These characteristics of the First Cause are exactly the characteristics theists ascribe to God. Again, these characteristics are not based on someone's religion or subjective experience. They are drawn from the scientific evidence we have just reviewed, and they help us see a critically important section of the box top to this puzzle we call life. (The book then goes on to build the case that this is the God of Christianity.)
