SPEECH OF AN IDOL GUIDING THE MISGUIDED

[Juziers]

Look at them... the grief, hatred overwhelming them.. what a life!

You can look at them in whatever angle you want, the fact is the same, they are at home.

Even if someone uses them who's going to stop them? Allah? When 9/11 happened many innocent people died.. and Bin Laden since then covering it up saying he is in a Holy War with the west.. and it wasn't hard for him to take reference from Q'ran, who would have questioned him anyway!!!

So he exploited a verse from Q'ran probably for his personal advantage... and Allah's holy words exploited by an ordinary man.. if Q'ran mentioned something like "even your enemies must be forgiven" then we could have seen a very different mindset today among Muslims for people like Bin Laden!!

Quran : 5:8 Let not the hatred of a people swerve you away from justice. Be just, for this is closest to righteousness
Quran :60:8 God does not forbid you from doing good and being just to those who have neither fought you over your faith nor evicted you from your homes
Quran :2:109 Out of their selfish envy, many among the followers of earlier revelation would like to bring you back to denying the truth after you have attained to faith - [even] after the truth has become clear unto them. None the less, forgive and forbear, until God shall make manifest His will: behold, God has the power to will anything

This means we must forgive and forbear in conflictual situations unless it comes up to physical violence, where you have the right to defend yourselves. the fact that some people misuse sacred texts for subversive purposes is not only limited to Islam although muslims are frequently highlighted in western media. Even in Sri Lanka, you get very racist, subversive buddhist monks who don't recognize minority rights. So taking Bin Laden or these monks for example doesn't lead us to any proper understanding of the original texts. As for their misdeeds, they shall surely account for them one terrible day to come.

Any exact time Allah mentioned in the Q'ran? as in human days or years or light years?

No exact time given. The time is only known by Allah. But before the end of the world and the commencement of the day of judgement, there are minor and major signs of it's becoming explained by the prophet Muhammed (pbuh). All the minor signs are present today. Only the major signs are to come. On request, I can explain them to you.

1 out of 125000? How come only Mohammad succeeded getting the message through? what happened to others?

I once again get this bad impression that you don't thoroughly read before replying. Anyway I'll repeat, All messengers succeeded in conveying their part of the message and prophet Muhammed (pbuh) completed the divine revelations. So Islam is the complete divine message

HAHAHA Really sorry to say this but this is genuine BULLSHIT!!

Are you telling me that Volcanic Eruptions, Floods, Tsunamis, Earthquakes, Tornadoes all this actually began after man appeared on earth? HAHAHA Are you serious?

Most of the modernday distabilisation of the earth is caused by irresponsible human activity. I think I'm not the only one to say this. Then, there are some other natural phenomenas which are manifest of Allah's power, as a reminder for us. On other circumstances, Allah may use natural phenomenas to punish certain populations for their corruptive deeds on earth. For whatever reason it may be, those who get cought in them having faith in Him and were innocent of corruption attain the status of martrydom and access Heaven in the hereafter.

How do you know for sure?

just a sincere hope that you be guided in the right path before it's too late when your dead.

Ok so if that explains, in recent times we saw a massive tsunami caused by the earth's faulty plates over lapping each other, killing more Muslims than any other... how serene and balanced is that? his creation.. the EARTH is faulty!! And thousands of people paid by their lives for his imperfection...

Most of the time, muslims are punished severely by Allah, because instead of being a model for the human nation after being guided in the correct path, they often get corrupted by evil deeds. So it's nothing to do with imperfection, everything needs a cause, that's all.

Ok I'll ask again....

You said.. "Allah can forgive any other sin apart from worshipping any other than Him."

What does that mean? How does that stack up with consequences for people whom follwed Allah and those for who did not?

We know that people who followed Allah will be sent to Heaven, what will happen to people whom he forgiven to some extent? where do they go? that's my question, surely they don't belong in HELL when Allah has already forgiven them

Quran :98:5 And withal, they were not enjoined aught but that they should worship God, sincere in their faith in Him alone, turning away from all that is false;and that they should be constant in prayer; and that they should spend in charity:for this is a moral law endowed with ever-true soundness and clarity.
98:6 Verily, those who [despite all evidence] are bent on denying the truth - [be they] from among the followers of earlier revelation or from among those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God - will find themselves in the fire of hell, therein to abide: they are the worst of all creatures.
98:7 [And,] verily, those who have attained to faith, and do righteous deeds - it is they, they who are the best of all creatures.
98:8 Their reward [awaits them] with God: gardens of perpetual bliss, through which running waters flow, therein to abide beyond the count of time; well-pleased is God with them, and well-pleased are they with Him: all this awaits him who of his Sustainer stands in awe!.

NB : people who are forgiven will go to heaven

HAHA Blind Bashing or Constructive Criticism, which country that follows Shariah Law actually allows these? care to let me know?

Let me tell you, there's no country at present which represent the complete form of shari'a law. The so called shari'a laws of gulf countries are pieces of shari'a combined with much more protectionist laws.

 

[Hot-Witch-Girl]

if you accept he's the creator, then you cant deny the fact that he doesnt need to satisfy your argument when doing his creations.

We live... And we talk about Human Rights. If you make chidren, You have to at least tell them that you love them and you expect them to do this and that... And help them in their education and development!

it would be stupid to argue creator should abligh to creation..and should accept what creation thinks right and wrong..
anyone would know creater should be "intelligent" than the creation.

Let's simplify this question with similies. Creator => Parents; Creation => Children. [As far as I know Buddhists, Hindus and Wiccans would agree to this] So...
You Mean Children Should Never Ask Questions From Parents!?

 

[freon]

We live... And we talk about Human Rights. If you make chidren, You have to at least tell them that you love them and you expect them to do this and that... And help them in their education and development!

Let's simplify this question with similies. Creator => Parents; Creation => Children. [As far as I know Buddhists, Hindus and Wiccans would agree to this] So...
You Mean Children Should Never Ask Questions From Parents!?

you cannot compare parents and chidren to creator and creations.
cos creator should definitely be more intelligent than the creation while its not a must that parent should be more intelligent than children.

but for the sake of the argument (assuming you talking about intelligent parents)

if parent need to take a desicion for the good of the children and if children think its not, its commonly known factor that parents go ahead with their decision cos they know more than the child dos.

 

[sri_lion]

You can look at them in whatever angle you want, the fact is the same, they are at home.

They are at home and the fact that the whole world talking about them is proof for what they are going through!

Quran : 5:8 Let not the hatred of a people swerve you away from justice. Be just, for this is closest to righteousness
Quran :60:8 God does not forbid you from doing good and being just to those who have neither fought you over your faith nor evicted you from your homes
Quran :2:109 Out of their selfish envy, many among the followers of earlier revelation would like to bring you back to denying the truth after you have attained to faith - [even] after the truth has become clear unto them. None the less, forgive and forbear, until God shall make manifest His will: behold, God has the power to will anything

This means we must forgive and forbear in conflictual situations unless it comes up to physical violence, where you have the right to defend yourselves. the fact that some people misuse sacred texts for subversive purposes is not only limited to Islam although muslims are frequently highlighted in western media. Even in Sri Lanka, you get very racist, subversive buddhist monks who don't recognize minority rights. So taking Bin Laden or these monks for example doesn't lead us to any proper understanding of the original texts. As for their misdeeds, they shall surely account for them one terrible day to come.

There's a difference that you failed comprehend here..

The monks whom are racial and engaged in such activities.. they are purely driven by that particular monk's attitude it has got nothing to with Buddhism, because that monk will never be able to relate his actions to Buddhism in any way!

But take Bin Laden for an example, he is doing it successfully.. why? because there is such a verse in Q'ran that says "if you are threatened, take arms" this is a fundamental difference, Buddhism does not allow anyone to take arms under any circumstance thus the law cannot be exploited unlike in Islam!

Bin Laden is doing just that!

No exact time given. The time is only known by Allah. But before the end of the world and the commencement of the day of judgement, there are minor and major signs of it's becoming explained by the prophet Muhammed (pbuh). All the minor signs are present today. Only the major signs are to come. On request, I can explain them to you.

Why has he not given a time frame? any particular reason mentioned in the Q'ran? All around the world his disciples day and night prepare for judgment day.. the most sacred and important day of a Muslim isn't it? and Allah didn't think they have the right know when it will be? Why?

I once again get this bad impression that you don't thoroughly read before replying. Anyway I'll repeat, All messengers succeeded in conveying their part of the message and prophet Muhammed (pbuh) completed the divine revelations. So Islam is the complete divine message

Correct! I agree with you... lets say Mohommad was able to pass on the god's word.. but the question is very simple what happened to others? why the revelation came only after Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity?

What's the reason for that? As I've heard all the figures in major religions are Allah's messengers whom have gone astray.. so explain on that please!

Most of the modernday distabilisation of the earth is caused by irresponsible human activity. I think I'm not the only one to say this. Then, there are some other natural phenomenas which are manifest of Allah's power, as a reminder for us. On other circumstances, Allah may use natural phenomenas to punish certain populations for their corruptive deeds on earth. For whatever reason it may be, those who get cought in them having faith in Him and were innocent of corruption attain the status of martrydom and access Heaven in the hereafter.

Who are you kidding my friend? You gotta see you have no logic in your statement what so ever!! What does dinosaurs did to Allah to make them extinct? So how do you explain those natural phenomena that occurred before human inhabitance on earth?

just a sincere hope that you be guided in the right path before it's too late when your dead.

I dont belong to Lord Buddha, Jesus or any god! Vice versa what I do and all the consequences good or bad are not because of them.. it is because of me!

So far it worked for me, and I'm not afraid of what's going to happen to me after death because every religion on earth only has some theory about it.. no one really knows what happens and no one ever will, it is out of every human's control...so why fear?

Most of the time, muslims are punished severely by Allah, because instead of being a model for the human nation after being guided in the correct path, they often get corrupted by evil deeds. So it's nothing to do with imperfection, everything needs a cause, that's all.

In Indonesia itself more than 120000 people were killed! including thousands of children.. there may have definitely been pregnant ladies with their unborn children.. all these people were punished by Allah? That's is cruel.. where's the Mercy in Islam now?

According to you, Allah have asked his followers to Mercy their enemies if they lay down arms, but Allah himself took lives of Children who knew nothing about their parent's deeds? Why? CAN'T YOU REALLY SEE THE INJUSTICE HERE? there's a way in Islam to forgive enemies if necessary but there's no way to forgive those innocent children at least? That's disgusting to say the least!!

Quran :98:5 And withal, they were not enjoined aught but that they should worship God, sincere in their faith in Him alone, turning away from all that is false;and that they should be constant in prayer; and that they should spend in charity:for this is a moral law endowed with ever-true soundness and clarity.
98:6 Verily, those who [despite all evidence] are bent on denying the truth - [be they] from among the followers of earlier revelation or from among those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God - will find themselves in the fire of hell, therein to abide: they are the worst of all creatures.
98:7 [And,] verily, those who have attained to faith, and do righteous deeds - it is they, they who are the best of all creatures.
98:8 Their reward [awaits them] with God: gardens of perpetual bliss, through which running waters flow, therein to abide beyond the count of time; well-pleased is God with them, and well-pleased are they with Him: all this awaits him who of his Sustainer stands in awe!.

NB : people who are forgiven will go to heaven

So in other words a well behaved non-Muslim can go to heaven / where the Muslims go?

Let me tell you, there's no country at present which represent the complete form of shari'a law. The so called shari'a laws of gulf countries are pieces of shari'a combined with much more protectionist laws.

Why? they dont have faith in full Shariah Law (God's Law)? or not all of God's Law is practical?

 

[Juziers]

They are at home and the fact that the whole world talking about them is proof for what they are going through!

The West doesn't make the whole world for me. If people are talking, let them do. Everybody will have their part of grievence.

There's a difference that you failed comprehend here..

The monks whom are racial and engaged in such activities.. they are purely driven by that particular monk's attitude it has got nothing to with Buddhism, because that monk will never be able to relate his actions to Buddhism in any way!

But take Bin Laden for an example, he is doing it successfully.. why? because there is such a verse in Q'ran that says "if you are threatened, take arms" this is a fundamental difference, Buddhism does not allow anyone to take arms under any circumstance thus the law cannot be exploited unlike in Islam!

Bin Laden is doing just that!

Ha ha ha ! extremist monks in SL are not talking in the name of buddhism !!!! and you're telling me to believe this BULLSHIT !!!!! You could tell this to a stranger, but not to a minority Sri Lankan. If these monks had money and arms as Bin Laden, they would have made a carnage of the minorities in SL.

As for the permission given for selfdefense in Islam, misusing them for terrorism is Unislamic and criminal, and every crime will be punished by Allah for certain.

Why has he not given a time frame? any particular reason mentioned in the Q'ran? All around the world his disciples day and night prepare for judgment day.. the most sacred and important day of a Muslim isn't it? and Allah didn't think they have the right know when it will be? Why?

Allah has mentioned what He consideres is important for us to know in the Quran. He also advices not to ponder lot of thought into matters that He has purposely not revealed. Firstly, because we'll never get correct reply. Secondly, this unfruitfull research will take off lot of time out of the time of worship. So the end of the world is among the topics that Allah has not unveiled an exact date. But through the prophetic message, Allah has given indications of minor and major signs of the end of the world, so that there's no doubt in it.

Correct! I agree with you... lets say Mohommad was able to pass on the god's word.. but the question is very simple what happened to others? why the revelation came only after Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity?

What's the reason for that? As I've heard all the figures in major religions are Allah's messengers whom have gone astray.. so explain on that please!

As for Hinduism and Buddhism, there's no certainty that they were monotheist religions. In the same way, not all the figures in all religions are prophets for certain unless there's sound evidence. Although, we have the figure of around 124000 prophets of Allah, there were only about 313 messengers among them, out of which, only 25 namely mentioned in the Quran with their stories.

Prophet = One who gets divine revelation from God, but doesn't get the obligation to preach them
Messenger = One who gets divine revelation from God WITH the obligation to preach them.

By revealing the 25 messengers with their life stories, Allah has given humans 'ilm-un-nafi'a' (beneficial knowledge).

If you need me to go indepth, please feel free to request

Who are you kidding my friend? You gotta see you have no logic in your statement what so ever!! What does dinosaurs did to Allah to make them extinct? So how do you explain those natural phenomena that occurred before human inhabitance on earth?

Let me explain you of dinosaurs. Allah didn't create this world at once, although He could've if He willed. Instead, He created this world in different steps during 6 heavenly days (which is the equivalent of 6000 years). So during these 6000 years, Allah made the earth undergo drastic biological changes to make it suitable to usher Human beings. Muslims think (not certain) that creatures like dinosaurs etc., were created in the process of modeling this world which is mentioned in the Quran.

Quran : 32:4 IT IS GOD who has created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six aeons, and is established on the throne of His almightiness.You have none to protect you from God, and none to intercede for you [on Judgment Day]: will you not, then, bethink yourselves?

I dont belong to Lord Buddha, Jesus or any god! Vice versa what I do and all the consequences good or bad are not because of them.. it is because of me!

So far it worked for me, and I'm not afraid of what's going to happen to me after death because every religion on earth only has some theory about it.. no one really knows what happens and no one ever will, it is out of every human's control...so why fear?

I understand. Well, Islam is believing in the unseen through reasoning.

Quran : 2:3 Who believe in [the existence of] that which is beyond the reach of human perception, and are constant in prayer, and spend on others out of what We provide for them as sustenance;

6:59 For, with Him are the keys to the things that are beyond the reach of a created being's perception: none knows them but He. And He knows all that is on land and in the sea; and not a leaf falls but He knows it; and neither is there a grain in the earth's deep darkness, nor anything: living or dead, but is recorded in [His] clear decree.

6:73 And He it is who has created the heavens and the earth in accordance with [an inner] truth - and whenever He says, "Be," His word comes true; and His will be the dominion on the Day when the trumpet [of resurrection] is blown. He knows all that is beyond the reach of a created being's perception, as well as all that can be witnessed by a creature's senses or mind: for He alone is truly wise, all-aware.

10:20 NOW THEY [who deny the truth] are wont to ask, "Why has no miraculous sign ever been bestowed upon him from on high by his Sustainer?" Say, then: "God's alone is the knowledge of that which. is beyond the reach of human perception. Wait, then, [until His will becomes manifest:] verily, I shall wait with you!"

In Indonesia itself more than 120000 people were killed! including thousands of children.. there may have definitely been pregnant ladies with their unborn children.. all these people were punished by Allah? That's is cruel.. where's the Mercy in Islam now?

According to you, Allah have asked his followers to Mercy their enemies if they lay down arms, but Allah himself took lives of Children who knew nothing about their parent's deeds? Why? CAN'T YOU REALLY SEE THE INJUSTICE HERE? there's a way in Islam to forgive enemies if necessary but there's no way to forgive those innocent children at least? That's disgusting to say the least!!

Myself as a father, I understand what you say from your point of view. There's a fundamental difference in our beleaves which make the whole difference. That is, we as muslims consider the worldy life as ephemeral, so it can't be the real life if it's ephemeral. Then why Allah sent us here ? He sent us here for us to justify our faith in Him and prove our righteousness to attain eternal paradise in the hereafter. So as muslims, the worldly life is just a step forward. The difference with you is , for you, this worldly life is the only representation of life for you since you don't have any material proof of the world hereafter. So getting cought to a tsunami for you is big unjustice since you don't see real life hereafter. For muslims, getting cought to a tsunami is a reason for death, so your soul gets to the next chapter, which is the hereafter.

So in other words a well behaved non-Muslim can go to heaven / where the Muslims go?

Read the the post once again and come back.

Why? they dont have faith in full Shariah Law (God's Law)? or not all of God's Law is practical?

I won't judge if they have faith or not. But what is for sure is that none of them have the complete shari'a in their judicial system. If they really apply shari'a in gulf, there won't be any kings or princes, because shari'a doesn't accept the kingdom concept,whereby it creates a big imbalance in wealth and related moral values. So you can now imagine why they don't want the full shari'a.

 

[sri_lion]

The West doesn't make the whole world for me. If people are talking, let them do. Everybody will have their part of grievence.

I'm not talking about the west here, it is Muslim countries that make a circus out of this asking people to boycott and what not.. some of those companies whom they've asked to boycott provides thousands of jobs for Muslims in that country well they may do it if they want dig their own grave!

Coming back to the topic though, hatred and vengeance will always end in grief its a FACT whether you do it offensively or defensively!

Ha ha ha ! extremist monks in SL are not talking in the name of buddhism !!!! and you're telling me to believe this BULLSHIT !!!!! You could tell this to a stranger, but not to a minority Sri Lankan. If these monks had money and arms as Bin Laden, they would have made a carnage of the minorities in SL.

You can show me anywhere those kind of behavior is accepted in Buddhism, like I said this is monks and thier personal attitudes and you are trying put it all in Buddhism's account.. well.. invein!!

If I take your theory I can give you many examples of how Muslims behave, because I live in a Muslim country too! So i guess you gotta understand the difference!

As for the permission given for selfdefense in Islam, misusing them for terrorism is Unislamic and criminal, and every crime will be punished by Allah for certain.

Alas.. it was there to be misused, Bin Laden on the other hand used Allah! What a pity!!

Allah has mentioned what He consideres is important for us to know in the Quran. He also advices not to ponder lot of thought into matters that He has purposely not revealed. Firstly, because we'll never get correct reply. Secondly, this unfruitfull research will take off lot of time out of the time of worship. So the end of the world is among the topics that Allah has not unveiled an exact date. But through the prophetic message, Allah has given indications of minor and major signs of the end of the world, so that there's no doubt in it.

So its not mentioned at all... No dates but indications.... strange indeed!

If Allah is giving indications not dates.. does that mean Allah is waiting for certain things to happen to initiate judgment day? Why? Why does certain things must be in order for judgment day... why must Arab grow lush green or Why must the world go through wars?

Does this full fill something for Allah? If not he cannot return to earth? Why all this drama?

As for Hinduism and Buddhism, there's no certainty that they were monotheist religions. In the same way, not all the figures in all religions are prophets for certain unless there's sound evidence. Although, we have the figure of around 124000 prophets of Allah, there were only about 313 messengers among them, out of which, only 25 namely mentioned in the Quran with their stories.

Prophet = One who gets divine revelation from God, but doesn't get the obligation to preach them
Messenger = One who gets divine revelation from God WITH the obligation to preach them.

By revealing the 25 messengers with their life stories, Allah has given humans 'ilm-un-nafi'a' (beneficial knowledge).

If you need me to go indepth, please feel free to request

Very simple question here... why Prophets and Messengers, why not only 1 kind that can do both and do it right?

Let me explain you of dinosaurs. Allah didn't create this world at once, although He could've if He willed. Instead, He created this world in different steps during 6 heavenly days (which is the equivalent of 6000 years). So during these 6000 years, Allah made the earth undergo drastic biological changes to make it suitable to usher Human beings. Muslims think (not certain) that creatures like dinosaurs etc., were created in the process of modeling this world which is mentioned in the Quran.

Quran : 32:4 IT IS GOD who has created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six aeons, and is established on the throne of His almightiness.You have none to protect you from God, and none to intercede for you [on Judgment Day]: will you not, then, bethink yourselves?

So earth is only 6000 years old? LMAO!!

I understand. Well, Islam is believing in the unseen through reasoning.

That totally depend on the quality of the logics behind the reasoning!

Myself as a father, I understand what you say from your point of view. There's a fundamental difference in our beleaves which make the whole difference. That is, we as muslims consider the worldy life as ephemeral, so it can't be the real life if it's ephemeral. Then why Allah sent us here ? He sent us here for us to justify our faith in Him and prove our righteousness to attain eternal paradise in the hereafter. So as muslims, the worldly life is just a step forward. The difference with you is , for you, this worldly life is the only representation of life for you since you don't have any material proof of the world hereafter. So getting cought to a tsunami for you is big unjustice since you don't see real life hereafter. For muslims, getting cought to a tsunami is a reason for death, so your soul gets to the next chapter, which is the hereafter.

Then why cry for Palestine? they maybe getting killed for a reason too, Allah didn't come down from heavens or whereever he stays to save them, he must be letting them get killed for a reason... they may have given good lives by now by Allah... because as you say everything is ephemeral

So I'd like you to apply your so called *fundamental difference* there too!

You say tsunami is a big unjustice for me because I don't see real life hereafter... so you do see it?

Read the the post once again and come back.

Ok then conclusion:

For non-Muslims, Allah will not take into account how well you have lived or you have behaved, he will only take into account have you worshiped him...

So many good people will indeed be doomed by Allah!

Well what's laughable is that you took one whole round beating around the bush came to the exact place I started!

I won't judge if they have faith or not. But what is for sure is that none of them have the complete shari'a in their judicial system. If they really apply shari'a in gulf, there won't be any kings or princes, because shari'a doesn't accept the kingdom concept,whereby it creates a big imbalance in wealth and related moral values. So you can now imagine why they don't want the full shari'a.

So it is not practical after all!!

 

[ChuttaFX]

Let me explain you of dinosaurs. Allah didn't create this world at once, although He could've if He willed. Instead, He created this world in different steps during 6 heavenly days (which is the equivalent of 6000 years). So during these 6000 years, Allah made the earth undergo drastic biological changes to make it suitable to usher Human beings. Muslims think (not certain) that creatures like dinosaurs etc., were created in the process of modeling this world which is mentioned in the Quran.

Quran : 32:4 IT IS GOD who has created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six aeons, and is established on the throne of His almightiness.You have none to protect you from God, and none to intercede for you [on Judgment Day]: will you not, then, bethink yourselves?

I hope that all logical & theoretical facts can't be used to prove this. Sometimes mythological facts can be used.

No one made the universe include earth & other planets include heavens coz every thing is working as a cycle. That's the science.

However, I only meant that all of the creator-based religions can't be scientifically proved. But I respect all religions as they force ppl to be good. So no matter even if it's false. But I must show u the truth.

 

[ChuttaFX]

We live... And we talk about Human Rights. If you make chidren, You have to at least tell them that you love them and you expect them to do this and that... And help them in their education and development!

Let's simplify this question with similies. Creator => Parents; Creation => Children. [As far as I know Buddhists, Hindus and Wiccans would agree to this] So...
You Mean Children Should Never Ask Questions From Parents!?

As a buddhist, I agree this "Creator => Parents; Creation => Children"

Parents also have parents. In ur theory the creator must have a creator. Creator's creator must have another creator too. And so on. It means the creator is not a true creator. That's why I don't believe creator-based religions. The truth is that every thing working as a cycle and there is not a only creator who made everything. Parents are our creators. Worship them!

 

[madurax86]

As a buddhist, I agree this "Creator => Parents; Creation => Children"

Parents also have parents. In ur theory the creator must have a creator. Creator's creator must have another creator too. And so on. It means the creator is not a true creator. That's why I don't believe creator-based religions. The truth is that every thing working as a cycle and there is not a only creator who made everything. Parents are our creators. Worship them!

Yeah E=MC^2 tama kiyana tiyene energy started it all but who knows where energy came from? not a question to find answers spending your live time

 

[gazaly]

I hope that all logical & theoretical facts can't be used to prove this. Sometimes mythological facts can be used.

No one made the universe include earth & other planets include heavens coz every thing is working as a cycle. That's the science.

However, I only meant that all of the creator-based religions can't be scientifically proved. But I respect all religions as they force ppl to be good. So no matter even if it's false. But I must show u the truth.

SCIENCE eka hoyagaththey kawda.. minissune.. so a'ka ara creator ta wada creation eka intelligent wenna baha kiyana statment ekata anuwa Sience Eke godak waradi thiyenawa thaama sampoorna naha.. ara kiyana mathaya Thawa awrudu keepayakin wenas wenawa.. samahara Ekama Deyakata sientiesla wena wena matha daranawa.. thawath samaharadeywal walata Sience eke uththara naha.. ehew sience eken kohomada Aagamak maninney?aththatama Sience Eken aagamak Maninn puluwanda?

 

[ChuttaFX]

SCIENCE eka hoyagaththey kawda.. minissune.. so a'ka ara creator ta wada creation eka intelligent wenna baha kiyana statment ekata anuwa Sience Eke godak waradi thiyenawa thaama sampoorna naha.. ara kiyana mathaya Thawa awrudu keepayakin wenas wenawa.. samahara Ekama Deyakata sientiesla wena wena matha daranawa.. thawath samaharadeywal walata Sience eke uththara naha.. ehew sience eken kohomada Aagamak maninney?aththatama Sience Eken aagamak Maninn puluwanda?

ane manda! that was my opinion. ur opinion may different.
anyway dan thiyana science eka sampoornayenma hari kiyanna ba thama.

creator ta wada creation eka intelligent wenna baha

Sometimes, it may be true, if there is a creator. However creator can be more intelligent than its creations. (eg: A child can be more intelligent than his mom & dad.)

ara kiyana mathaya Thawa awrudu keepayakin wenas wenawa

sampoorna aththa

thawath samaharadeywal walata Sience eke uththara naha

It's undiscovered side of science.

aththatama Sience Eken aagamak Maninn puluwanda?

baruwa athi mama hithanne. mama nam hariyatama danne na. thama kramayak hoyagena nathuwa athi.

 

[ChuttaFX]

Yeah E=MC^2 tama kiyana tiyene energy started it all but who knows where energy came from? not a question to find answers spending your live time

energy not started on a certain day. (100% sure) If there is a certain place where energy came from, there must be another place where energy came from to that place. And so on. Everything is working as a cycle. Any as I know, Scientist has stopped researches on this topic. I'm not gonna find answers for this question anymore coz I already know. (But don't ask me, I don't tell u)

mama methanin nathara wennam macho. off-topic ne.

 

[gazaly]

Sometimes, it may be true, if there is a creator. However creator can be more intelligent than its creations. (eg: A child can be more intelligent than his mom & dad.)

meykai.. mama theyrena api katha karana bashawenma kiyannamko a'kata udaa haranayak.. e'ta kalin api hariyatama dana ganna o'ne mokadda mey maweema kiyala kiyanney..?? Danna sinhalen baluwama Maweema kiyana Kriyawana Kathru kenek awashshayineyda? oyama hithala balanna Mawanawa Kiyana Kriya padaya Akarmakada Sakarmakada Kiyala? oyatama theyrei..

anith Eka mawanawa kiyana eky theyruma Mulin Nathi deyak Aluthenma Athikaranawa kiyana ekata.. so "manushshaya" kiyana dey kalin nathiwa thila athikaranawata Api (minisaa)maveemak kiyala kiyanney.. namuth A'maveemen athiwena pasuwiparyasa walata maveema kiyala kiyanney naha...

So Demawpityan kiyanney lamayawa mawanawa kiyanadey newei karanney.. manawaya kiyana wargaye ekthatra awasthawadi Eyalagen wiyayutu kotasak eyala wisin sidda wenawa(kamaththen ho akamaththeyn).. Gahaka Atthak Balala Api A'kata Kiyanney naha A' Aththa Mawwe A' Gaha Kiyalaa..

Mawema prathishepa karanawa kiyanney A'word Ekama use karanna baha kiyana Ekatai..

Mawannata wada Maveemaak Kawadawath Usas wenna baha kiyala kiyanney monawada kiyana eka mama kiyannam..

 

[ChuttaFX]

meykai.. mama theyrena api katha karana bashawenma kiyannamko a'kata udaa haranayak.. e'ta kalin api hariyatama dana ganna o'ne mokadda mey maweema kiyala kiyanney..?? Danna sinhalen baluwama Maweema kiyana Kriyawana Kathru kenek awashshayineyda? oyama hithala balanna Mawanawa Kiyana Kriya padaya Akarmakada Sakarmakada Kiyala? oyatama theyrei..

anith Eka mawanawa kiyana eky theyruma Mulin Nathi deyak Aluthenma Athikaranawa kiyana ekata.. so "manushshaya" kiyana dey kalin nathiwa thila athikaranawata Api (minisaa)maveemak kiyala kiyanney.. namuth A'maveemen athiwena pasuwiparyasa walata maveema kiyala kiyanney naha...

So Demawpityan kiyanney lamayawa mawanawa kiyanadey newei karanney.. manawaya kiyana wargaye ekthatra awasthawadi Eyalagen wiyayutu kotasak eyala wisin sidda wenawa(kamaththen ho akamaththeyn).. Gahaka Atthak Balala Api A'kata Kiyanney naha A' Aththa Mawwe A' Gaha Kiyalaa..

Mawema prathishepa karanawa kiyanney A'word Ekama use karanna baha kiyana Ekatai..

Mawannata wada Maveemaak Kawadawath Usas wenna baha kiyala kiyanney monawada kiyana eka mama kiyannam..

mata mawanawa kiyana eka hariya pahadili madi. ehema mawanna puluwan athi samahara wita. habai thiyana energy ekak ma thama wenas wela wena deyak widiyata wenas wenne. nathi deyak nam aluthen athi wenna wihak nane.

Anyway I believe that my parents are my creators. So I love & worship my mom & dad. still no one else.

 

[Wal Bada]

whats the need for the creator to understand creations logics .
thats a dumb argument. just like you can eat meat but cant kill animals

Still it does not answer who is responsible for the birth of deformed children.

 

[Juziers]

I hope that all logical & theoretical facts can't be used to prove this. Sometimes mythological facts can be used.

What I used was not only logic and theory, it was more mythology based on spiritual evidence that I have.

No one made the universe include earth & other planets include heavens coz every thing is working as a cycle. That's the science.

Then who made the cycle ? If you really took time to read what I've posted before, it was of this cycle (which lasted 6000years) that I was talking about. It's science......yes, by Allah

However, I only meant that all of the creator-based religions can't be scientifically proved. But I respect all religions as they force ppl to be good. So no matter even if it's false. But I must show u the truth.

Your right. Science can't prove the existance of the Creator, same as with all the science we know, we're unable to create a fly. So if you wait till science prove the existance of the Creator (who has all the real science), you might most probably miss the train.

 

[Juziers]

I'm not talking about the west here, it is Muslim countries that make a circus out of this asking people to boycott and what not.. some of those companies whom they've asked to boycott provides thousands of jobs for Muslims in that country well they may do it if they want dig their own grave!

So if I get you clear, your telling muslims not to boycott, not to defend themselves in their own homeland . You're not going to give me the stupid idea that all palestinians should leave the country and go somewhere else, are you ? Or to sit and wait till the state terrorists have finished with you.
Even if the palestinians do nothing (they've already tried this option for a long time), the zionists grab 5% of palestinian land each year (according to UN) by expanding jewish colonies and by destroying palestinian homes and killing them when needed. So frankly, what's your option ? (knowing that no country is willing to accomodate an entire palestine exode)

You can show me anywhere those kind of behavior is accepted in Buddhism, like I said this is monks and thier personal attitudes and you are trying put it all in Buddhism's account.. well.. invein!!

If I take your theory I can give you many examples of how Muslims behave, because I live in a Muslim country too! So i guess you gotta understand the difference!

When it comes to muslims, you take Bin Landen with his quranic quotations (which I already told you are'nt valid for oppression or terrorism), but when it comes to extremist monks who brand buddhism, you say these are individualistic acts that has nothing to do with buddhism. Well, I'm telling you the same thing for Islam. If there's no selfdefence in buddhism, in Islam there is, because Islam is a complete religion which deals with every aspect of your life .

Alas.. it was there to be misused, Bin Laden on the other hand used Allah! What a pity!!

Bin Laden once again, as if he was the prophet of Islam. The pitiest is your poorself, who tries to understand Islam through Bin Laden.

So its not mentioned at all... No dates but indications.... strange indeed!

If Allah is giving indications not dates.. does that mean Allah is waiting for certain things to happen to initiate judgment day? Why? Why does certain things must be in order for judgment day... why must Arab grow lush green or Why must the world go through wars?

Does this full fill something for Allah? If not he cannot return to earth? Why all this drama?

There's no Drama and nothings strange. Allah does what He wants, when He wants and how He wants, so be aware.

Very simple question here... why Prophets and Messengers, why not only 1 kind that can do both and do it right?

Because Allah judged the humans needed both, that's all.next question

So earth is only 6000 years old? LMAO!!

Once again ,you read only half of what I post. I said 6000years of preparation before humans were introduced to earth for the first time.

That totally depend on the quality of the logics behind the reasoning!

It depends how you measure quality as well.

Then why cry for Palestine? they maybe getting killed for a reason too, Allah didn't come down from heavens or whereever he stays to save them, he must be letting them get killed for a reason... they may have given good lives by now by Allah... because as you say everything is ephemeral

So I'd like you to apply your so called *fundamental difference* there too!

Yes, the worldy life is ephemeral. The muslims who died out of injustice, oppression,state terrorism supported by people like you, will (insha Allah) go to Heaven, as He has promised, as well as those who were martryed fighting oppressors. Don't worry for them. Their souls are ever living . So we don't cry for them. But as long as we're still alive, we'll fight for JUSTICE, as it's enjoyened on us as muslims.

You say tsunami is a big unjustice for me because I don't see real life hereafter... so you do see it?

I see it with my spirituality (baseera)

Quran :12:108 Say thou: "This is my way: I do invite unto Allah,- on evidence clear as the seeing with one's eyes,- I and whoever follows me. Glory to Allah. and never will I join gods with Allah."

Ok then conclusion:

For non-Muslims, Allah will not take into account how well you have lived or you have behaved, he will only take into account have you worshiped him...

So many good people will indeed be doomed by Allah!

Well what's laughable is that you took one whole round beating around the bush came to the exact place I started!

Keep on laughing ridiculously like this till your time is expired .

So it is not practical after all!!

If that's all what your intelligence could grasp, let it be so

 

[Wal Bada]

There's no Drama and nothings strange. Allah does what He wants, when He wants and how He wants, so be aware.

Will he change his mind about judgement day?or things that will going to happen is a particular order? or can't he change his mind.

 

[Juziers]

Will he change his mind about judgement day?or things that will going to happen is a particular order? or can't he change his mind.

No change in judgement day

The Minor signs of the end of the world are already present

The Major signs will come in an order.

Allah doesn't reason like us, so no changing mind

 

[ChuttaFX]

What I used was not only logic and theory, it was more mythology based on spiritual evidence that I have.

100% true. it was more mythology based.

Then who made the cycle ? If you really took time to read what I've posted before, it was of this cycle (which lasted 6000years) that I was talking about. It's science......yes, by Allah

Then who made allah ? Can't be nobody! If Allah made this cycle, then someone must have made him. This creator must have anther creator too. And So on. It's also an cycle.

Your right. Science can't prove the existance of the Creator, same as with all the science we know, we're unable to create a fly. So if you wait till science prove the existance of the Creator (who has all the real science), you might most probably miss the train.

Yup. Science can't prove something if it's impossible and not true. So I don't wait till science prove the existance of the Creator. But I don't say that the word "Science" means what scientist discovered. I use this word instead of the word "Truth".