Understanding Girls!!!! (for Guys Only)

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Understanding Girls!!!! (Specially for Guys+PPL Who knw True Love)

After ending a long relatonship I wonder wht is these girls reallty want..
I always thought tht i understand her completely..but it was only matter of time
for she to make tht was wrong... :D

Soo Guys i only wanted ur Honest thoughts about wht r the things u understand about girls..
Wht r the fundemenatals...
Wht r the Rules..
Wht r the secrets for being HAPPY wt a girl...


While You doing tht you will help a lot of friends in EK Family to figure out their
source of UN-happy life wt their Girlfriends...

I hereby Open this thread for girls Toooooo ..........
Feel free to share ur valuble Thoughts...
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Below Rule is No longer valid :D

This THREAD is READ/Write protected for GUYS !!!
Girls pls dont spoil the fun...
Pls Dont Comment....
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    HAHAHHAHA :D :D :D brother ..i knw u ne personaly :) .....it's like this ....this is my personal experience :) .....

    ganu lamai ....adare karanne patan ganne kolla adare karanne patan ganne kalin :) ....a kiyanne mathakane api podi kale :D :D wala bahinawa kiyala passen yana hati :D a adare newei :) ...... habai samahara wita grl a kalema adare kiyana de hithala thiyenne puluwan .......ehema unama a gollo .....adare karanewa mulu hithinma :) ....eka apita hitha gannewath ba :) samaharunta eka dara gannewath ba :) .....eta passe ethin kolla thamange hithe thiyene ewa kiyanewane :) ...denna eta passe adare karanne gannewa :) ....case eka patan ganne anna ethakotai :) .......grl eta passe adare hanga gannewa ..... kollage adare eliyata enna gannewa :) .....eta passe kollata hithenewa ....dan meya mata essara wage adare na neda .....kiyala :) oka thami case eke mula :) ......

    eta passe oye ewa oluwe thiyagena kolla grlta katha karama :) eliyata enne hitha ridene dewal .... :) ewa grl kenekta dara ganne ba :) ....ehema unama thamai a gollo wen wenne balanne :) ....ethakota kageda case eka thiyenne kollageda kellageda ???? dennage paththen dennama hari :) ...habai dennama waradi :) .....meka wisada ganne bariwa thami mama dagalanne :) ...... anith ayata monewada danne na case thiyenne :) reply karanneko balanne :)

    mi mage mulu kathawamam Lagu karala kiwwa :)
     

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    Machan dannic ,

    Mata penawa uba thama ube 1st love eka gana godka pasu thawenawa kiyala.

    mama mage personal ath dakeema kiyanne. mama aurudu dekak adare karala thiyenawa. thamath adre karanawa. mata nam penne adare kiyanne hariya suwada hamana malak wage. ....................
    Male hodama suwada mala pipunu gamanmai. ekath hariyata adare patangatha gaman wage. kellgen ahala mul aurudha wage........

    malalath para wenna yanakota suwada adu wenawa. ewage thamai adareth. kolai kellai hariyata adare aduna gathe natham e adaretah mala wagema parawenna wena.

    mama adare karana kenek nisa kiyanne. math dan athatama mage girl gana hoyanawa hari adui. issara wage newei. Eth mage girl ehama na. Issara wagema mata thamath adarei. eke kisi wenasak na. mata eka dannenawa. Mama hithawa api denna ge adare rada pawatheemata eka godka balapanawa. anika mata pattatama tharaha yanawa. mama eyawa epa kiyalath kiyala thiyenawa. Eth mage kella mata hadawathina adarei.

    Eya hamadama kiyana kathwak thami. "Kellanta adare kiyanna mulu jeewithe unata kollanata eka thawath eka deyak withari kiyala" Sometimes eka atha. bt not alwaise.

    Athtama mage kella mawa therum aragena thiyenawa. Anna ekai rahasa. api dennage adare thama pawathenna. Eka machan dennagema wenna oni deyak. magen wadi pura nowunata. :(

    Denek e dennawa therum gathoth mama hithan widihata dala yanna ba. adare kiyanne sada kalika badeemak. eke dennek athare kerena sadakalika badeemak. E badema pawthinna denama uthsuka wenna oni.

    Machan dannic, " i understand her completely.." menna me de kawa dawathma karanna ba. marry kalath eka wenna na. Apita kawadawath kauruwath completly adura ganna ba. mama hitha widihata...
    meka etha sankeera prashnayak......
    awsana wadhayen kiyanne adare pudgalayanu badai....
    :)

     

    methsri

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    pissu_buwa said:
    Machan dannic ,

    Mata penawa uba thama ube 1st love eka gana godka pasu thawenawa kiyala.

    mama mage personal ath dakeema kiyanne. mama aurudu dekak adare karala thiyenawa. thamath adre karanawa. mata nam penne adare kiyanne hariya suwada hamana malak wage. ....................
    Male hodama suwada mala pipunu gamanmai. ekath hariyata adare patangatha gaman wage. kellgen ahala mul aurudha wage........

    malalath para wenna yanakota suwada adu wenawa. ewage thamai adareth. kolai kellai hariyata adare aduna gathe natham e adaretah mala wagema parawenna wena.

    mama adare karana kenek nisa kiyanne. math dan athatama mage girl gana hoyanawa hari adui. issara wage newei. Eth mage girl ehama na. Issara wagema mata thamath adarei. eke kisi wenasak na. mata eka dannenawa. Mama hithawa api denna ge adare rada pawatheemata eka godka balapanawa. anika mata pattatama tharaha yanawa. mama eyawa epa kiyalath kiyala thiyenawa. Eth mage kella mata hadawathina adarei.

    Eya hamadama kiyana kathwak thami. "Kellanta adare kiyanna mulu jeewithe unata kollanata eka thawath eka deyak withari kiyala" Sometimes eka atha. bt not alwaise.

    Athtama mage kella mawa therum aragena thiyenawa. Anna ekai rahasa. api dennage adare thama pawathenna. Eka machan dennagema wenna oni deyak. magen wadi pura nowunata. :(

    Denek e dennawa therum gathoth mama hithan widihata dala yanna ba. adare kiyanne sada kalika badeemak. eke dennek athare kerena sadakalika badeemak. E badema pawthinna denama uthsuka wenna oni.

    Machan dannic, " i understand her completely.." menna me de kawa dawathma karanna ba. marry kalath eka wenna na. Apita kawadawath kauruwath completly adura ganna ba. mama hitha widihata...
    meka etha sankeera prashnayak......
    awsana wadhayen kiyanne adare pudgalayanu badai....
    :)


    macho mama ....sampoornayenma ekagai kathawata :) .....mama macho wadi dawasak na adare karala :) ...thamath karanewa :) samhara wita ...relationship ekedi grl boy wa therun gannewa :) ....samaharawita ....boy grlwa therun gannewa :) ......macho ubawa ....grl therun aragena :) eka loku deyak ...hamotama ehema na ban :( ....mage grl mawa therun aran na wage :) ....bt mama ekak dannewa ....eya mata adarei eyage panata wage ...eka mama dannewa :) .....eka mage adaretath wada mata sure :) .......mama hitha gena enne ekama de ban :) ....eya mawa therun gannakan mama enne na ....mama try karala eyawa therun gannewa kiyana eka :) ...kauru hari ekkenke oluwa nawanne oni ne :) ...e wade karanne mama lasthi :)


    AND machan GOOD LUCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    You know, for one thing I don't understand half the things you guys type, because my Sinhala sucks. (But I am trying rrrreeeallly hard. (BUT ITS SO DIFFICULT, WHY DO YOU HAVE SO MANY LETTERSSSS)) And the second thing, I'm female so I really shouldn't have clicked the link in the first place... but I wanted to know what sri lankan guys thought about wooing girls so yeah, I had to click!
    1 rule to stick to, if you ever had to... Pretend you're interested when she talks about makeup, clothes, or problems with friends. And NEVER, EVER, EVER mention in the SLIGHTEST way possible, EVER that she may be putting on a gram of weight. No, boys, never call a girl fat. Or plump. Or even, cuddly.
    If you obey this one rule, you should enjoy a happy, fruitful and fulfilling relationship.
    All the luck in the world. x
     

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    sri_lanka's_#1_UK_fangirl said:
    You know, for one thing I don't understand half the things you guys type, because my Sinhala sucks. (But I am trying rrrreeeallly hard. (BUT ITS SO DIFFICULT, WHY DO YOU HAVE SO MANY LETTERSSSS)) And the second thing, I'm female so I really shouldn't have clicked the link in the first place... but I wanted to know what sri lankan guys thought about wooing girls so yeah, I had to click!
    1 rule to stick to, if you ever had to... Pretend you're interested when she talks about makeup, clothes, or problems with friends. And NEVER, EVER, EVER mention in the SLIGHTEST way possible, EVER that she may be putting on a gram of weight. No, boys, never call a girl fat. Or plump. Or even, cuddly.
    If you obey this one rule, you should enjoy a happy, fruitful and fulfilling relationship.
    All the luck in the world. x


    hah hah......
    "No, boys, never call a girl fat. Or plump. Or even, cuddly."

    are you fat???:lol: :lol: :lol:

    shall i teach u sinhala?:lol:
     

    methsri

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    sri_lanka's_#1_UK_fangirl said:
    You know, for one thing I don't understand half the things you guys type, because my Sinhala sucks. (But I am trying rrrreeeallly hard. (BUT ITS SO DIFFICULT, WHY DO YOU HAVE SO MANY LETTERSSSS)) And the second thing, I'm female so I really shouldn't have clicked the link in the first place... but I wanted to know what sri lankan guys thought about wooing girls so yeah, I had to click!
    1 rule to stick to, if you ever had to... Pretend you're interested when she talks about makeup, clothes, or problems with friends. And NEVER, EVER, EVER mention in the SLIGHTEST way possible, EVER that she may be putting on a gram of weight. No, boys, never call a girl fat. Or plump. Or even, cuddly.
    If you obey this one rule, you should enjoy a happy, fruitful and fulfilling relationship.
    All the luck in the world. x

    sry abt the language sisi :) ...we use it bcoz ....we can express thngs in better way :) ....sry abt that :)

    Pretend you're interested when she talks about makeup, clothes, or problems with friends. And NEVER, EVER, EVER mention in the SLIGHTEST way possible, EVER that she may be putting on a gram of weight. No, boys, never call a girl fat. Or plump. Or even, cuddly.
    If you obey this one rule, you should enjoy a happy, fruitful and fulfilling relationship.

    HAHAHAHAHA :D :D good comment sisi :D :D ....bt i dnt knw if u hvng a relationship or nt :) ....bt beleive me ..it's nt enough ....i thnk all the other guys will agree wth me .....grls needs are vary frm +infinity to -infinity :D :D :D ....and i'm telling you this by experience ....no one can compite with a grl's love ...but they don't know their limits ....and what boys are realy expect from them :) .....i think if they try to undestand the boy (actualy it's easy to do ) ...what he realy want ....i think a relationship will be much more ...beautiful :) .....
     

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    methsri said:
    samaharunta eka dara gannewath ba :) .....eta passe ethin kolla thamange hithe thiyene ewa kiyanewane :) ...denna eta passe adare karanne gannewa :) ....case eka patan ganne anna ethakotai :) .......grl eta passe adare hanga gannewa ..... kollage adare eliyata enna gannewa :) .....eta passe kollata hithenewa ....dan meya mata essara wage adare na neda .....kiyala :) oka thami case eke mula :) ......

    Kella adare Hanga gananwa kiyana ekata man ekaga na machoo...kella looketa penna godak dewal karanne nathuwa athi eth kollata aththatama adare nam kellata oya ekak gen wath wadak na..moka i knw it by experience... :)
    may be not every girls is think same..but i shared my experience...




    eta passe oye ewa oluwe thiyagena kolla grlta katha karama :) eliyata enne hitha ridene dewal .... :) ewa grl kenekta dara ganne ba :) ....ehema unama thamai a gollo wen wenne balanne :) ....ethakota kageda case eka thiyenne kollageda kellageda ???? dennage paththen dennama hari :)

    Dennama hari na machooo mokada thamunge adare pennanne nathnam e adaren mokatada? :no: :oo:
    ubama hithapan pare yaddi bus ekekdi adare penanna one na...eka sms 1k, letter 1k athi adare pennana... man adare karana kale i was lucky to meet her
    24x7 :D :D but whn we dont meet we knew tht if we really wanna keep this up...
    we hav to talk some how..

    Katha karana eka thamai wadagathma dee machoo..ekai man kiwwe adare pennanawa kiyala maha loku dewal karanna one na...
    But adugane e tika wath karanne nathnam kohomada kiyanen adarei kiyala...??

    Ok as a Start i wants to point out 1 Rule we should follow as my experience..
    TALK, share ur thoughts..abt anything...just talk.. it will a huge help to understand each other...
     

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    pissu_buwa said:
    Machan dannic ,

    Mata penawa uba thama ube 1st love eka gana godka pasu thawenawa kiyala.

    Yes machoo a lot,,, :)


    mama adare karana kenek nisa kiyanne. math dan athatama mage girl gana hoyanawa hari adui. issara wage newei. Eth mage girl ehama na. Issara wagema mata thamath adarei. eke kisi wenasak na. mata eka dannenawa. Mama hithawa api denna ge adare rada pawatheemata eka godka balapanawa. anika mata pattatama tharaha yanawa. mama eyawa epa kiyalath kiyala thiyenawa. Eth mage kella mata hadawathina adarei.
    Machoo u shld do something for thth .... mokada hariyatama kiwwoth ubama hithapan bariwelawath kellath uba wagema kawada hari meka epa unoth...
    Uba kiyana widihta kella godak deewal karanawa ubalge adare ekata thiya ganna ..sooo kella eka nawaththuwoth...kellatath ubaata wagema wena wada thibboth eyage kale yodawanna...
    uba gana hoyanan welawak nathi unoth...
    eka nisa uba therum aran thiyena kenek nisa..man kiyana dee therenawa athi..


    Denek e dennawa therum gathoth mama hithan widihata dala yanna ba. adare kiyanne sada kalika badeemak. eke dennek athare kerena sadakalika badeemak. E badema pawthinna denama uthsuka wenna oni.
    :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:


    Machan dannic, " i understand her completely.." menna me de kawa dawathma karanna ba. marry kalath eka wenna na. Apita kawadawath kauruwath completly adura ganna ba. mama hitha widihata...
    meka etha sankeera prashnayak......
    awsana wadhayen kiyanne adare pudgalayanu badai....
    :)
    :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
     

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    sri_lanka's_#1_UK_fangirl said:
    You know, for one thing I don't understand half the things you guys type, because my Sinhala sucks. (But I am trying rrrreeeallly hard. (BUT ITS SO DIFFICULT, WHY DO YOU HAVE SO MANY LETTERSSSS)) And the second thing, I'm female so I really shouldn't have clicked the link in the first place... but I wanted to know what sri lankan guys thought about wooing girls so yeah, I had to click!
    1 rule to stick to, if you ever had to... Pretend you're interested when she talks about makeup, clothes, or problems with friends. And NEVER, EVER, EVER mention in the SLIGHTEST way possible, EVER that she may be putting on a gram of weight. No, boys, never call a girl fat. Or plump. Or even, cuddly.
    If you obey this one rule, you should enjoy a happy, fruitful and fulfilling relationship.
    All the luck in the world. x


    HEHHEHEHE SIS thanx for the Intel. But really dont come back again :D
    No hard feelings okee :D
     

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    methsri said:
    HAHAHHAHA :D :D :D brother ..i knw u ne personaly :) .....it's like this ....this is my personal experience :) .....

    ganu lamai ....adare karanne patan ganne kolla adare karanne patan ganne kalin :) ....a kiyanne mathakane api podi kale :D :D wala bahinawa kiyala passen yana hati :D a adare newei :) ...... habai samahara wita grl a kalema adare kiyana de hithala thiyenne puluwan .......ehema unama a gollo .....adare karanewa mulu hithinma :) ....eka apita hitha gannewath ba :) samaharunta eka dara gannewath ba :) .....eta passe ethin kolla thamange hithe thiyene ewa kiyanewane :) ...denna eta passe adare karanne gannewa :) ....case eka patan ganne anna ethakotai :) .......grl eta passe adare hanga gannewa ..... kollage adare eliyata enna gannewa :) .....eta passe kollata hithenewa ....dan meya mata essara wage adare na neda .....kiyala :) oka thami case eke mula :) ......

    eta passe oye ewa oluwe thiyagena kolla grlta katha karama :) eliyata enne hitha ridene dewal .... :) ewa grl kenekta dara ganne ba :) ....ehema unama thamai a gollo wen wenne balanne :) ....ethakota kageda case eka thiyenne kollageda kellageda ???? dennage paththen dennama hari :) ...habai dennama waradi :) .....meka wisada ganne bariwa thami mama dagalanne :) ...... anith ayata monewada danne na case thiyenne :) reply karanneko balanne :)

    mi mage mulu kathawamam Lagu karala kiwwa :)
    sirawata ban eka 100% atta maat ath widala tiyenawa
     

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    mmm...matanan thihyena Experience auwa mata kiyanna thiyenne menna me wage deyak...:)

    Samahara Girlsla innawa eththatama ahinsaka...eath...ea aya samahara wita danne nea Affair ekak patanganna oni ka ekka da kiyalawath..lack of Experience i Suppose...

    And Also there Are Innocent Boys ..But they most of the time Suffer coz they DOn't get the perfect Girl...:)And when Unmatching Girls Accidentaly Come to their lives...they get Spoilled...on the other hand for Girls Also may have the same problem as well..:)

    But the thing is as I Noticed...Girls are Somewhat Different thiking people...they just do things without thinking for long..:)

    When they take a Dicision...they don't like to be kind enough to change it...they always think that they have taken the right Dicission...:)

    I mean not Everyone...But most..:yes::)
     

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    pissu_buwa said:
    Machan dannic ,

    Mata penawa uba thama ube 1st love eka gana godka pasu thawenawa kiyala.

    mama mage personal ath dakeema kiyanne. mama aurudu dekak adare karala thiyenawa. thamath adre karanawa. mata nam penne adare kiyanne hariya suwada hamana malak wage. ....................
    Male hodama suwada mala pipunu gamanmai. ekath hariyata adare patangatha gaman wage. kellgen ahala mul aurudha wage........

    malalath para wenna yanakota suwada adu wenawa. ewage thamai adareth. kolai kellai hariyata adare aduna gathe natham e adaretah mala wagema parawenna wena.

    mama adare karana kenek nisa kiyanne. math dan athatama mage girl gana hoyanawa hari adui. issara wage newei. Eth mage girl ehama na. Issara wagema mata thamath adarei. eke kisi wenasak na. mata eka dannenawa. Mama hithawa api denna ge adare rada pawatheemata eka godka balapanawa. anika mata pattatama tharaha yanawa. mama eyawa epa kiyalath kiyala thiyenawa. Eth mage kella mata hadawathina adarei.

    Eya hamadama kiyana kathwak thami. "Kellanta adare kiyanna mulu jeewithe unata kollanata eka thawath eka deyak withari kiyala" Sometimes eka atha. bt not alwaise.

    Athtama mage kella mawa therum aragena thiyenawa. Anna ekai rahasa. api dennage adare thama pawathenna. Eka machan dennagema wenna oni deyak. magen wadi pura nowunata. :(

    Denek e dennawa therum gathoth mama hithan widihata dala yanna ba. adare kiyanne sada kalika badeemak. eke dennek athare kerena sadakalika badeemak. E badema pawthinna denama uthsuka wenna oni.

    Machan dannic, " i understand her completely.." menna me de kawa dawathma karanna ba. marry kalath eka wenna na. Apita kawadawath kauruwath completly adura ganna ba. mama hitha widihata...
    meka etha sankeera prashnayak......
    awsana wadhayen kiyanne adare pudgalayanu badai....
    :)


    You lucky man. mage kellata mama baninna tiya orawala baluwot sati 2k witara nonagathe labanawa(No katha, No sina). e athin umba nam mara lucky kollo. man nam bohoma amaruwen meka aragena yanne
     

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    dilrasan said:
    But the thing is as I Noticed...Girls are Somewhat Different thiking people...they just do things without thinking for long..:)

    When they take a Dicision...they don't like to be kind enough to change it...they always think that they have taken the right Dicission...:)

    I mean not Everyone...But most..:yes::)

    :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
     

    methsri

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    dannnic said:
    Kella adare Hanga gananwa kiyana ekata man ekaga na machoo...kella looketa penna godak dewal karanne nathuwa athi eth kollata aththatama adare nam kellata oya ekak gen wath wadak na..moka i knw it by experience... :)
    may be not every girls is think same..but i shared my experience...

    not every grl is same .....eka aththa :) ....a gollo adare hanga gannewa kiwwe :) ....yalu wenna kalin thibba widiyatama eka pennane na kiyana ekai :) ....and if she's in love ....she dnt care any thing :) ...i knw it too :) .....but still i think they hide their love :) ...whn we need it the most :)




    dannnic said:
    Dennama hari na machooo mokada thamunge adare pennanne nathnam e adaren mokatada? :no: :oo:
    i'm not agree with that macho :no: :no: mama thamath wiswasa karanewa adare thiyenne widinna :) ....eka pennanne onimai kiyala mama kiyanne na :) ...eth hanga gena enne oni kiyala mama kiyanneth na :) ....we all shld knw the limit :) ...mokada KIRI PANI UNATH WADI UNAMA EPA WENEWANE :) :) ........

    ubama hithapan pare yaddi bus ekekdi adare penanna one na...eka sms 1k, letter 1k athi adare pennana... man adare karana kale i was lucky to meet her
    24x7 :D :D but whn we dont meet we knew tht if we really wanna keep this up...
    we hav to talk some how..

    Katha karana eka thamai wadagathma dee machoo..ekai man kiwwe adare pennanawa kiyala maha loku dewal karanna one na...
    But adugane e tika wath karanne nathnam kohomada kiyanen adarei kiyala...??

    katha karanne oni kiyana eka depends macho :) ...i knw that for a fact :) ....samahara grls la ....thamnge boy wa adura gannewa :) katha karanne essellath ...eka kellek ta thiyene hakiyawak ..mama hithanne :) ...

    AND I STILL BELEIVE THAT I WAS SO LUCKY TO MEET HER :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
     

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    nmps said:
    You lucky man. mage kellata mama baninna tiya orawala baluwot sati 2k witara nonagathe labanawa(No katha, No sina). e athin umba nam mara lucky kollo. man nam bohoma amaruwen meka aragena yanne


    Eka thamai machooo....Not every girl is same...
    But there is somethings we SHLDN'T Do and SHLD DO whn it comes to realtionships......
    We only wanan figure tht out....coz so much guys r suffering bcoz they did some stupid thing and the girls suddenly stop the communication...
    even wtout saying wht he did wrong or anything...