Why assume your GOD is true?

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One question will bring to an end to all these arguements

Have to walked your path till the end & How can be so sure that your (or My) path is the (Only) correct path ? :rofl: (is there any another or more?)

if your answer is yes then you do not get a chance to walk the other path :yes:


till then your have many paths (know one knows wheather there are many path to one goal )

Y2K,
I understand you. But Islam encourage the discussion regardless of their purpose. who knows tomorrow, the same person can embrace islam,after reading the replies and came to know the truth. Most of the people who come here are having misconception about Islam or Christianity. in the start they may say wrong, may be later on some may understand the fact. some will even take years. some may not even understand at all. so it is up to them, As Quran says we are passing the truth,whether they understand or not, it is up to them.. as long as our religion is logical, we don't fear that we will be misguided by their cunning questions. what we do is, we selectively reply to only some personnel, we normally ignore the people who always keep on abusing our religion & prophets.
by the way I hope You read my previous post to you.please take your own time and get it clarified.
 

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My friend Jesus said so "I and the father are one" Jesus said "father is in me I am in the father"

Unless I give you a detail answers you may not understand fully, that is why I am trying to explain u in details first Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.
Also let us look at verse John 17:20-22 "That the ALL may be made ONE. Like thou Father art in me, I in thee, that they may be ONE in us. I in
them, they in me, that they may be perfect in ONE". In this verse, the same word ONE used, the Greek, HEN is used, not only to describe Jesus and the Father but to describe Jesus, the Father and eleven of the twelve disciples of Jesus. So here if that implies equality, we have a unique case of 13 Gods.

Of the verse in question, "I and the Father are One" in (John 10:30), we also need to take note of the verses following the 30th verse in the text. In those verses, the Jews accuse Jesus falsely of claiming to be God by these words. He however replies, proving their accusation wrong by their own text: "The Jews answered him saying,'For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy, and because that thou being a man, makest thyself a God '" (John 10:33).

Jesus replies to this accusation saying: "Jesus answered them, 'Is it not written in your Law, "I said ye are gods. If He can call them gods, unto whom the word of God came, say ye of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world, "Thou blasphemeth," because I said I am the son of God?'" (John 10:34-36).
Let us look at Acts 2:22 "O you men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you..." Peter in the Book of Acts testifies about Jesus. Jesus thus even to his disciples, as to early Christians, not poisoned by Pauline doctrine, was a man, not a God.


Other thing is this God as his original form is too holy , we are sinful so if God came to this world as his original form we can not even stand before him that's why God has to take human body & come to this world to show his love being a living example that is why bible say ""For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

1st of all I don’t agree with God change his form and come to the world in the form of human, God and human is two opposite characters, if God becoming a human is not godliest act. What God did was he selected among the people as prophets and through them he talked to people and showed his his blessings.


Mind you those who reject son rejected the father like that I can give thousand quotes from the bible (but still you won't b'live)

SON ALSO MEANS DESCENDANT

It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mathew, Chapter 1 verse 1

"Jesus Christ, the son of David,....".
[Mathew 1:1]

Gospel of Luke Chapter 3, verse 23

"And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, ....."
[Luke 3:23]

DID JESUS (PBUH) HAVE TWO FATHERS?

What do you call a person who has two fathers? The explanation of the phrase that Jesus (pbuh) was the son of David (pbuh), is that Jesus (pbuh) was a descendant of David (pbuh). ‘Son’, here means a descendant.
I am Sorry Im not abusing you & Jesus (PBUH), Please forgive if I hurt your feelings.


my argument is if i love my children so much I should be able to give my life even for there future so rather than just setting and asking people to submit is far away from love (actually love can not be forced) Christianity based on love Heavenly father is the perfect father

Actually there are no 3 person there is only one GOD with different form Just because he loves his children so badly. my friend i do not want to argue with you but Let me ask you one question

what do you think about

Liquid water , Ice cube & water vapors

those are three things or three forms ? did you ever think why?
I do agree matter can be in three states - Solid, Liquid and Gas. But you should realize that if water is present in 3 states… solid, liquid, gas - as ice, water, and vapour, in all the three states - the constituents, the component of water is the same... H2O. Even if its ice, the constituent and component is H2O - Even when it is water it is H2O - Even when it is vapour it is H2O - Even when it is ice… even when it is gas or liquid, it is H2O - That’s very important. Now lets analyze the example they gave of ‘trinity’ - Father, son and holy ghost. In 3 forms if you say… for the sake of argument, I agree - but are the constituents of all these three things, - father, son, that is Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) and holy ghost, the same? We know very well that human beings have got flesh and bones - A spirit and God Almighty have got no flesh and bones. Human beings require to eat -God Almighty does not require to eat. And the same message Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) gave - Its mentioned in the Gospel of Luke Ch. No.24, V.No.39 to 43. That, ‘Behold my hands and feet - Its I myself. Handle me and see - that a spirit has got no flesh and bones as you see me have. And he gave his hands and feet - And they were overjoyed. To prove what? that he was not a spirit - he was not God Almighty. And the verse continues ‘Do you have meat to eat’ and the next verse says that he ate broiled fish and honey comb. To prove what? - that he was God? To prove that he was not God! Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) said, ‘A spirit has no flesh and bones, as I have proving that he was not a spirit - he was not Almighty God


Jesus never said I am the GOD please do worship me (worship is a result of your faith or the way how showing your respect to other nothing more that is why worship alone can not help you most important thing is faith & Love ) but people worship him because his great deeds

See the Faith ,Love,respect and worship are two different matters, just bec you respect someone you can’t worship him, so even I respect jesus,mohammed & all the prophets and I am not worshipping them, furthermore Don’t you feel you are behaving against the Jesus (PBUH) when you worship him.
The Bible's New Testament also records Jesus saying: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone." (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"
In fact,there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, "I am God" or where he says, "worship me"


after his resurrection one disciple worshiped him by saying "My lord my God" Jesus never correct him (If Jesus & God two separate entities Jesus would have corrected him)

It is often claimed that since Thomas referred to Jesus as "My God, my Lord (John 20:28)," that Jesus was God. An ignorance of the context of the verse and of Christian doctrine prompts this claim. The context of the verse talks about an unbelieving Thomas being surprised when Jesus offers him evidence.
The exclamation, "My God," on his part was just astonishment. We use such exclamations everyday while talking to people. This doesn't mean that the person we are talking to is God. For example, I see John cutting his wrist with a Rambo knife. I say: "My God, John what are you doing?" Do I mean that John is God? Of course not. Similar is the use of the expression by Thomas. If you go into Jewish or Muslim societies even today, you'll hear people exclaim "My God, my Lord," at every situation which surprises them or causes them anguish or is astonishing.
If the author of John had recognized Thomas' words to be a testimony that "Jesus is God" and if the author interpreted Jesus' silence to be his approval of this claimed testimony, then John would have written "that ye might believe that Jesus is the Almighty God" and not "that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ..."


My friend no one can understand GOD, you should experience the GOD

What you mean by Experience, all the atheists are experiencing the God, whats special in your statement?

even after Jesus descended to heaven Jesus promised to send another helper that is his 'Holy spirit' or you can say Holy Ghost . I have personally experience it but do not ask how the hell that feel

Muslim misunderstood about the holy spirit by thinking that Jesus is talking about their Prophet

Not really, It is Christians misunderstood. I can quote you from bible it self the following versus.

1)Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not
come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

2)Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

3)John chapter 14 verse 16:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."

Brother, you failed to realize that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the
Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).


Brother If i am wrong correct me i am very open minded fellow

Sure, I have done so, you also can correct me if I am wrong with logical reasons with the support of bible. I am also very opened minded, would like to have friendly discussion with u.

Just think We Christians Believe in Son of God or Jesus is the son of God , sacrifice his life for us.

My previous replies are relevant to this.

So apart from following his path we should believe that he die for us,
but you people according to the instruction given by Koran says that Do not B'live in Jesus as a son of God and He did not die

Yes Quran says he didn’t die. To prove he died or not, if u want we can discuss in the different subject later on. Jesus (peace be upon him) never said that if you want to go to heaven, you consider me as Almighty God. He never said that you believe that I will die for your sins – In fact he said, ‘You keep the commandments’. It is further mentioned in the book of Acts, Ch.No. 2 V.No.22 “O men of Israel, hear this, Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved by God, amongst you, by miracles, and wonders and signs, which God did by him, in your presence, and you were witness’. It says, ‘Jesus of Nazareth a man approved by God, by miracles and wonders, which God did by him’. And when Jesus (peace be upon him) was asked, that ‘which is the first of the commandments’? he repeated verbitem what was said earlier by Moses (peace be upon him). It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mark, Ch. No. 12, V.No. 29, he said ‘Shama Israelo, Ada Ilahaino Ada Ihad’ It is a Hebrew quotation which means, ‘Hear Oh Israel, the Lord our God, is in one lord’. So if you read the Bible, you will understand the concept of God, in Christianity.

Just think carefully if Muslims believed in Jesus as a messenger of Allah why Jesus claimed to be God? Either Jesus is lier or Bible is corrupted or else Koran is corrupted

See Bible has not maintained its purity, over the years it was corrupted and fabricated. actually we have faith on bible(original revelation Injeel)we are not muslims Unless we trust the original bible. But We don’t trust the current bible as it has corrupted.
The Bible's "original manuscripts had been lost" according to the Christian scholars and theologians:
Some Christians decided to respond to many of the Bible's contradictions. They named their site "101 Clear Contradictions in the Bible." Ironically, their own quotes below refute them! For example, you can do a search on this text in their site: "Confirmation of this type of copyist error is found in various pagan writers as well." Even those Christian scholars admit with their own typed words by their own fingers that the Bible does indeed contain "copyist error(s)", and they lowered their Holy Scripture to the level of a pagan book through their comparison. My question is then, how can it be the word of GOD when it contains Satanic "copyist errors"?
By the way, please visit
: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article574768.ece


Why we need another messenger (telling a different story) if Jesus's teachings are still there ?

As you know time to time God sent the messengers to a community, before Jesus ,Moses was sent, Jews rejected the Jesus, Christians rejected Mohammed. Even Moses teaching also still there. Then a jew even can question u why Jesus was required. Story is not at all different; the message was same that God is one. It was revealed by God step by step, as we study Grade 1 to A/L. so that people were able to understand, only finally when God thought its time to stop the revelation, he revealed final & last message that is quran to last and final messenger Mohammed(saw).


Jesus (Pbuh) is talking about whom here. Who is that “ HE”??
Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me".



One thing we believe in common that Jesus will come to this world for the 2nd time then we will know the truth insallah

Again I want to tell you, Jesus never claimed divinity, In fact if you read the Bible it is mentioned in the Gospel of John, Ch.No. 14, V.No.28, Jesus (peace be upon him) said – ‘My Father is greater than I’ In the Gospel of John, Ch. No.10, V.No. 29 ‘My father is greater than all’. In the Gospel of Mathew Ch.No.12 V.No.28 “I cast out devil with Sprit of God’. Gospel of Luke, Ch. No. 11 V.No.20 “I with the finger of God, cast out devils’. Gospel of John, Ch.No.5 V.No.30 ‘I can of my own self do nothing - as I hear I judge, and my judgement is just, because I seek not my will, but the will of thy Father, who has sent me’.
Yes we do really waiting for Jesus 2nd coming to testify Christians that he is not god and he is a messenger. I can give you Quote from your bible it self.
Matthew 7:21-23 (King James Version)
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Dear Brother, you misunderstood your religion. it is church that misguide you always.My advise you to go back to your scripture (bible) and clarify yourself.Thanks.

look you can say thousand things but it makes no difference, i mean we all wired to believe our belief system by scriptures so blindly (some people not all) Buddhist people can argue like AcientGlory why you just b'live God ? have you seen God? how your are so sure about Allah or Jesus ? (until he experience it) like that but to be honest to yourself we can not answer these question so surely only thing you can show is scriptures (i do not think you will find one scripture without any alteration) but that doesn't make any sense to him (there is nothing wrong with that)

All I have is Jesus life & his teachings just like Buddha to Buddhists people better if you can study all the major religions without bias to any one and select one path rationally and follow it completely

it is good we can share our teachings but better not to insult other belief

My dear friend i can give you 1000 reason not to b'live in God or that He doesn't even exist ? but sure not 100% may not even 50% one mathematical calculate the probability of God Existences is 67%. until they prove it 100% we can think of his existence but our faith is not pure on that we have his messengers & their teachings.

in research we usually analyse data to disprove that there is a difference or the hypothesis is untrue. it is called Null hypothesis, like the law that a person is not guilty until and unless proved to be guilty

"To experience GOD (or see) you need little bit of wisdom but hell of a lot faith"
 
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look you can say thousand things but it makes no difference, i mean we all wired to believe our belief system by scriptures so blindly (some people not all) Buddhist people can argue like AcientGlory why you just b'live God ? have you seen God? how your are so sure about Allah or Jesus ? (until he experience it) like that but to be honest to yourself we can not answer these question so surely only thing you can show is scriptures (i do not think you will find one scripture without any alteration) but that doesn't make any sense to him (there is nothing wrong with that)

I hope you are not answering to my Question,and you are generally talking. agree with you that everything can't be answered such as the question have you seen God, but it can be answered in such a way logically that they understand.some may understand , some may not. as specially science has not reached to that extent to prove god. I don't agree with all the scriptures have been altered. Quran is not.it is still in the face of the earth with its original language unlike other scriptures.also Allah promised from corruption.

All I have is Jesus life & his teachings just like Buddha to Buddhists people better if you can study all the major religions without bias to any one and select one path rationally and follow it completely

I never said following jesus life is bad.if you are following him correctly you have to follow what he said even.not what the church say u. then what about Bible? you will follow only Jesus and not the bible? also if you are following jesus correctly, even you should have accepted with this statement of Jesus

Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me"


Also he never claimed divinity, so Christians should not worship him, if you are worshiping you are going against Jesus (pbuh) teaching isn't it.

it is good we can share our teachings but better not to insult other belief

Yeah sure.Unless and untill we discuss we don't know what is fact.

My dear friend i can give you 1000 reason not to b'live in God or that He doesn't even exist ? but sure not 100% may not even 50% one mathematical calculate the probability of God Existences is 67%. until they prove it 100% we can think of his existence but our faith is not pure on that we have his messengers & their teachings.

Of course I agree with God existence, not as Jesus or mohammed form.They are only Just a messengers of God.

in research we usually analyse data to disprove that there is a difference or the hypothesis is untrue. it is called Null hypothesis, like the law that a person is not guilty until and unless proved to be guilty

"To experience GOD (or see) you need little bit of wisdom but hell of a lot faith"

there is no hypothesis involved in this, this is very simple you have your scriptures and I have mine.Do the research on that, and conclude your self what is correct. even I proved Jesus is not God with your own Bible not from any other sources. Not much wisdom is required for this.
by the way u neither accepted nor rejected my Questions.
 

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Y2K,
I understand you. But Islam encourage the discussion regardless of their purpose. who knows tomorrow, the same person can embrace islam,after reading the replies and came to know the truth. Most of the people who come here are having misconception about Islam or Christianity. in the start they may say wrong, may be later on some may understand the fact. some will even take years. some may not even understand at all. so it is up to them, As Quran says we are passing the truth,whether they understand or not, it is up to them.. as long as our religion is logical, we don't fear that we will be misguided by their cunning questions. what we do is, we selectively reply to only some personnel, we normally ignore the people who always keep on abusing our religion & prophets.
by the way I hope You read my previous post to you.please take your own time and get it clarified.

True ! :rolleyes:
 

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there is no hypothesis involved in this, this is very simple you have your scriptures and I have mine.Do the research on that, and conclude your self what is correct. even I proved Jesus is not God with your own Bible not from any other sources. Not much wisdom is required for this.
by the way u neither accepted nor rejected my Questions.

You people are got confused Jesus is the living example of our father in heaven, I rather prefer he came down to earth to show us the way rather than just sitting in his seat in heaven

Jesus is so humble he doesn't ask you to warship him but rather show his love he didn't ask you to surrender or just submit but in Islam Allah force Muslims to submit to him actually love can not be force this is where we can say Buddhism is far superior than yours


"again I will ask you if Koran has not corrupted or alter then why there are some verse of evil such as kill the non believer ( I think i don't need to give references lots of our elakirians has already given even though you can not justify it)

sorry if my words hurt you !

let me ask you one question how do you know 100% that Allah is the true God? How Mohammed (PBUH) can be so sure what he is hearing is the word of Allah or someone else ?

One thing we have in common we all beleve that Jesus will come again then you can ask Jesus " "Lord, show us the Father (Your Allah); that is all we need." - John 14:8

Then he will give you the same reply "For a long time I have been with you all; yet you do not know me, Philips? (then this name should change to yours) Whoever has seen me (this mean true love) has seen the Father. Why then, do you say, "Show us the Father"? Do you not believe , Philip (should be ur name) that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? John 14:9-10



I can give you thousand of references like this (if your claim to be true Jesus should be a lier . who should I b'live you or Jesus?) in Hindu Krishna also God Vishnu's incarnation , Buddhist believe Buddha will come to save all time to time so to solve the problem or show us the path you have to come down to earth.

Jesus's last commandments : "Now the son of Man's glory is revealed through him. And if God's glory is revealed through him, then the Son of Man in himself - John 13:31-32

And now I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I loved you, so you must love one another. If you have love for another, then everyone will know that you are my disciples"

If Jesus is true messenger of Allah this commandment should be something like this "Submit to Allah the most gregarious and merciful, this is my last commandment"

Jesus is the pure love he didn't even ask us to Love him either he said love one another if you love your brother then you love me also. This is where Christianity is much different from other religions except Buddhism. Jesus is the living example of pure love

Sorry if my word hurt you , if i am wrong correct me brother
 

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there is no hypothesis involved in this, this is very simple you have your scriptures and I have mine.Do the research on that, and conclude your self what is correct. even I proved Jesus is not God with your own Bible not from any other sources. Not much wisdom is required for this.
by the way u neither accepted nor rejected my Questions.

Do the research of what ? on what ? Allah ? or God ? What you have is secondarily data what i have is primary data which one is more reliable? I mean You have the Koran through Mohamed I have my Bible (specially the New Testament) directly from our Jesus (who claimed to be son of God) :rofl:
:D

you haven't proved that Jesus is not God , Jesus said I and the Father are one otherwise if Allah prohibited to make relation to him Jesus would have told I am just a messenger of God (Allah)

(God show us the way!)
 

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there is no hypothesis involved in this, this is very simple you have your scriptures and I have mine.Do the research on that, and conclude your self what is correct. even I proved Jesus is not God with your own Bible not from any other sources. Not much wisdom is required for this.
by the way u neither accepted nor rejected my Questions.

:confused: confusion confusion! never ending story wait till Jesus come ;)
 

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I am a Buddhist and I believe that gods exist. Because in the Tripitakaya there are stories of gods asking various questions from Lord Buddha. (Devatà Saüyutta - http://metta.lk/tipitaka/2Sutta-Pitaka/3Samyutta-Nikaya/index.html). For example, although we can’t see bacteria from our naked eyes we can’t say that they do not exist. Simply because we can’t see gods we can’t say that do not exist.

But I do not consider them as my gods. They must have been humans in their previous birth and they may come back as well. Some of them may come here willingly and some others may come because they do not have any other choice. Perhaps here in this forum itself there can be ones like that. But even they do not agree because they have forgotten. Now we have forgotten the time we spent inside our mother’s womb. But simply because we have forgotten we can’t say that we were not there.

Some of the compassionate gods came to the human world to help. Depending on their capabilities they do different things . It is believed that even Lord Buddha was a god in his previous birth. They say that he had developed so many capabilities for millions of years in different births to become a Lord Buddha.

The most important thing is this. Whether we believe in gods or not we all die. For an example the Tsunami in 2004 didn’t select believers or non-believers.

Till we die we all suffer due to old age, sickness, association with unpleasant persons and conditions, separation from beloved ones and pleasant conditions, not getting what one desires, grief, lamentation, distress--all forms of physical and mental suffering.( http://dharma.ncf.ca/introduction/4-Noble-Truths.html) For an example, if you go to a hospital you may see plenty of believers(those who believe in various gods) and non-believers suffering.

We suffer because we were born into this world. We as Buddhists try to overcome suffering by putting an end to rebirth. Arguing about the power, validity or existence of gods can be a waste of time because …….
 
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You people are got confused Jesus is the living example of our father in heaven, I rather prefer he came down to earth to show us the way rather than just sitting in his seat in heaven

Why do u trust like that? why you dont trust, he is a simple person who is like me and you.how can a human being come from heaven.it is logical? in fact,He was a human who was used by God to show right path. I think now you will now talk abt trinity again.but I disproved the trinity in the earlier post.but you were silent.

Jesus is so humble he doesn't ask you to warship him but rather show his love he didn't ask you to surrender or just submit but in Islam Allah force Muslims to submit to him actually love can not be force this is where we can say Buddhism is far superior than yours

If he didn't say you to worship him, why you worship him. he him self submitted the will to Allah.Bible says in Gospel of John, Ch. 5, V. No. 30…‘I seek not my will, but the will of my Father’. whoever submit the will to God is a muslim–so He was a Muslim.


"again I will ask you if Koran has not corrupted or alter then why there are some verse of evil such as kill the non believer ( I think i don't need to give references lots of our elakirians has already given even though you can not justify it)

It is not evil corrupted versus, but it is real.it is mainly quoted out of context by anti islamist to prove Quran is evil, but really it was in context all of them were not promoting evil. if I need I also can say from your bible in which jesus say "bring them here and kill them in front of me." (Luke 19:27).what do u say abt this?then this is kind?

sorry if my words hurt you !

to explain something if u use something i dont bother, coz it happen to every one, even i may use it.


let me ask you one question how do you know 100% that Allah is the true God? How Mohammed (PBUH) can be so sure what he is hearing is the word of Allah or someone else ?

Don't u feel this question has absurdity? then I also can ask u how can u be so sure Jesus is God? and he came from heaven? even if u prove, from your bible it self I can refute your answers. but you cant refute from Quran Allah is true and mohammed final messenger of the God's revelation.

and have u ever read your bible that says (2 Kings 5:15) THERE IS NO GOD IN ALL THE EARTH, BUT IN ISRAEL. It’s mentioned in the Gospel of Mathew, Chapter No.15 Verse No.24 that ‘I have not been sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel’ then how can u say it is ultimate.
Didn't you ever thought he was sent only to that community? not for whole community.also as I said u earlier if he is a ultimate whom he was referring here.Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me"


One thing we have in common we all beleve that Jesus will come again then you can ask Jesus " "Lord, show us the Father (Your Allah); that is all we need." - John 14:8

We need not ask, before that he will testify you when you go to him saying o lord, o lord, he will say u , he doesn't even know u & ask you to depart from there. this is your bible say not me.....Matthew 7:22-23 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity

Brother u have lack of knowledge abt your own bible, it seems like I know better than you..Please refer the verses im refering to you and understand what is in the Bible.


Then he will give you the same reply "For a long time I have been with you all; yet you do not know me, Philips? (then this name should change to yours) Whoever has seen me (this mean true love) has seen the Father. Why then, do you say, "Show us the Father"? Do you not believe , Philip (should be ur name) that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? John 14:9-10

why you are misguiding the people here? why u missed out some of the portion of the above quotation..see the full quotation and comment.

John 14:9-11 (New King James Version)
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me that Iam in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves


I can give you thousand of references like this (if your claim to be true Jesus should be a lier . who should I b'live you or Jesus?) in Hindu Krishna also God Vishnu's incarnation , Buddhist believe Buddha will come to save all time to time so to solve the problem or show us the path you have to come down to earth.

is this justifying your faith

Jesus's last commandments : "Now the son of Man's glory is revealed through him. And if God's glory is revealed through him, then the Son of Man in himself - John 13:31-32

how you are saying this then what is this?

John 17:1-5 (New King James Version)
Jesus Prays for Himself
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should[a] give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

If i take you are correct for sake of arguments, then bible contradicts itself.


And now I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I loved you, so you must love one another. If you have love for another, then everyone will know that you are my disciples"

Of course all the scriptures say this. and all the messengers said.what is special n this.


If Jesus is true messenger of Allah this commandment should be something like this "Submit to Allah the most gregarious and merciful, this is my last commandment"

as I said earlier Jesus submitted his will to God. you cant expect all the books to use same words. how he can say this is my last commandment, in fact he said another comforter will come.

Jesus is the pure love he didn't even ask us to Love him either he said love one another if you love your brother then you love me also. This is where Christianity is much different from other religions except Buddhism. Jesus is the living example of pure love

You are saying he didn't even ask u to love him. then why u are worshipping him. he was just a messenger. he him self was asking help from God and who is this ELI?

Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI? that is to say, My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me'? (Matthew 27:46).
 
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Do the research of what ? on what ? Allah ? or God ? What you have is secondarily data what i have is primary data which one is more reliable? I mean You have the Koran through Mohamed I have my Bible (specially the New Testament) directly from our Jesus (who claimed to be son of God) :rofl:
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If I accept with you for sake of argument, what u have is not primary data, it is secondary data for jews. so if Jews say samething will u accept them?..if there is any as Old or new testament Quran is the new testament that was revealed to the whole of the human community.


you haven't proved that Jesus is not God , Jesus said I and the Father are one otherwise if Allah prohibited to make relation to him Jesus would have told I am just a messenger of God (Allah)
(God show us the way!)

I doubt you are reading my answers, or you don't understand the language.I have proved u in my earlier comment jesus is not God, also Jesus and father are not one.just to reiterate you again.The following statements in the Bible are attributed to Jesus Christ


"My Father is greater than I." [The Bible, John 14:28]
"My Father is greater than all." [The Bible, John 10:29]
"…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…." [The Bible, Mathew 12:28]
"…I with the finger of God cast out devils…." [The Bible, Luke 11:20]
"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." [The Bible, John 5:30]

In fact there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, "I am God" or where he says, "worship me"

also, father and jesus are not one.see full context of the verse In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."


Of course he is messenger, this is what your bible says, not me.

"… and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me." [The Bible, John 14:24]

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent." [The Bible, John 17:3]


I want your reply please either accept or refute my claims, all of them given from your own bible only. 1st clarify me before you ask any other new questions.bec earlier you were silent for my many comments.only one thing i can say you before I conclude that you are not in a right path
 

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I doubt you are reading my answers, or you don't understand the language.I have proved u in my earlier comment jesus is not God, also Jesus and father are not one (Jesus said "I and the Father is one" which one i should b'live).just to reiterate you again.The following statements in the Bible are attributed to Jesus Christ


"My Father is greater than I." [The Bible, John 14:28] of couse Here Jesus trying to say my true form is greater than my human form (we should thank him that he take the human body) Let me give u another example : Do you know why Lord Buddha Got married and had son? one reason is he should show that he is just another Human being otherwise people will think for us it is impossible ?

2nd reason : to solve human problem you have to be a human then (even though you true form is almighty pure holy God. as i told u earlier it is better to come down here and solve this grave problem rather than asking people to submit some one who not even seen - ( I think u prefer the second option that is up to u)




"My Father is greater than all." [The Bible, John 10:29]
"…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…." (Spirit of Allah? did Mohomand do that?) [The Bible, Mathew 12:28]
"…I with the finger of God cast out devils…." [The Bible, Luke 11:20]
"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." [The Bible, John 5:30]

In fact there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, "I am God" or where he says, "worship me"

Even Lord Buddha did not ask disciple to worship him (he clearly said that he is not God) as I told you earlier you can not tell anyone to worship you that is the way of showing our respect to someone, Jesus is not very interested being Worship he rather like if we can love one another unfortunately in Islam you do not find it it is just like the religion of begging worships (sorry to say that brother if you carefully read your Koran you will realized it but I doubt it) Jesus can not say "I am God" because he is Love "

The word "love" is it a noun or verb? I am sure for you guys it is just a word, remember one thing devil also play some tricks so be careful.



also, father and jesus are not one.see full context of the verse In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."


Of course he is messenger, this is what your bible says, not me.

"… and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me." [The Bible, John 14:24]

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent." [The Bible, John 17:3]


I want your reply please either accept or refute my claims, all of them given from your own bible only. 1st clarify me before you ask any other new questions.bec earlier you were silent for my many comments.only one thing i can say you before I conclude that you are not in a right path

you are mis interpreting those things according to your will, I have answer it clear but still you didn't b'live it (you will never)

John 3:18 (King James Version)

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. :baffled:


Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." :baffled: According to Jesus you can not see God (but you might go to Allah - but Allah hates :frown:who B'live that he had a son :oo: - I am not going to give reference you know what verse i am talking about i true can quote from Koran but that will create more fight according to Jesus we can not Judge any one Judgement belongs to GOD . this is why I said earlier no point of talking these things may be we (you) are not chosen. I am not worth to Judge other religions but be mindful & be rational always. I do not wanted to go this further but I had to if someone got hurt " I am sorry" whether you are Christian, Buddhist or Muslim I do not care as Jesus loves us without any exception I love every human being if any Christian did do that means he is not a true Christian he is not from GOD


My final words to you

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." - JESUS CHRIST (THE SON OF MAN)



let us pray & ask Jesus to show us the way !!!

God bless you & may you find the truth in the name of Jesus Christ
 

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You people are got confused Jesus is the living example of our father in heaven, I rather prefer he came down to earth to show us the way rather than just sitting in his seat in heaven

Why do u trust like that? why you dont trust, he is a simple person who is like me and you.how can a human being come from heaven.it is logical? in fact,He was a human who was used by God to show right path. I think now you will now talk abt trinity again.but I disproved the trinity in the earlier post.but you were silent.

Jesus is so humble he doesn't ask you to warship him but rather show his love he didn't ask you to surrender or just submit but in Islam Allah force Muslims to submit to him actually love can not be force this is where we can say Buddhism is far superior than yours

If he didn't say you to worship him, why you worship him. he him self submitted the will to Allah.Bible says in Gospel of John, Ch. 5, V. No. 30…‘I seek not my will, but the will of my Father’. whoever submit the will to God is a muslim–so He was a Muslim.


"again I will ask you if Koran has not corrupted or alter then why there are some verse of evil such as kill the non believer ( I think i don't need to give references lots of our elakirians has already given even though you can not justify it)

It is not evil corrupted versus, but it is real.it is mainly quoted out of context by anti islamist to prove Quran is evil, but really it was in context all of them were not promoting evil. if I need I also can say from your bible in which jesus say "bring them here and kill them in front of me." (Luke 19:27).what do u say abt this?then this is kind?

sorry if my words hurt you !

to explain something if u use something i dont bother, coz it happen to every one, even i may use it.


let me ask you one question how do you know 100% that Allah is the true God? How Mohammed (PBUH) can be so sure what he is hearing is the word of Allah or someone else ?

Don't u feel this question has absurdity? then I also can ask u how can u be so sure Jesus is God? and he came from heaven? even if u prove, from your bible it self I can refute your answers. but you cant refute from Quran Allah is true and mohammed final messenger of the God's revelation.

yeah that is why i told you know one say it with 100% accuracy (no point of arguing - if we fight some other can be benefited from it) happy u realize it


and have u ever read your bible that says (2 Kings 5:15) THERE IS NO GOD IN ALL THE EARTH, BUT IN ISRAEL. It’s mentioned in the Gospel of Mathew, Chapter No.15 Verse No.24 that ‘I have not been sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel’ then how can u say it is ultimate.
Didn't you ever thought he was sent only to that community? not for whole community.also as I said u earlier if he is a ultimate whom he was referring here.Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me"


One thing we have in common we all beleve that Jesus will come again then you can ask Jesus " "Lord, show us the Father (Your Allah); that is all we need." - John 14:8

We need not ask, before that he will testify you when you go to him saying o lord, o lord, he will say u , he doesn't even know u & ask you to depart from there. this is your bible say not me.....Matthew 7:22-23 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity

Brother u have lack of knowledge abt your own bible, it seems like I know better than you..Please refer the verses im refering to you and understand what is in the Bible.


Then he will give you the same reply "For a long time I have been with you all; yet you do not know me, Philips? (then this name should change to yours) Whoever has seen me (this mean true love) has seen the Father. Why then, do you say, "Show us the Father"? Do you not believe , Philip (should be ur name) that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? John 14:9-10

why you are misguiding the people here? why u missed out some of the portion of the above quotation..see the full quotation and comment.

John 14:9-11 (New King James Version)
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me that Iam in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves


I can give you thousand of references like this (if your claim to be true Jesus should be a lier . who should I b'live you or Jesus?) in Hindu Krishna also God Vishnu's incarnation , Buddhist believe Buddha will come to save all time to time so to solve the problem or show us the path you have to come down to earth.

is this justifying your faith

Jesus's last commandments : "Now the son of Man's glory is revealed through him. And if God's glory is revealed through him, then the Son of Man in himself - John 13:31-32

how you are saying this then what is this?

John 17:1-5 (New King James Version)
Jesus Prays for Himself
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should[a] give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

If i take you are correct for sake of arguments, then bible contradicts itself.


And now I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I loved you, so you must love one another. If you have love for another, then everyone will know that you are my disciples"

Of course all the scriptures say this. and all the messengers said.what is special n this.


If Jesus is true messenger of Allah this commandment should be something like this "Submit to Allah the most gregarious and merciful, this is my last commandment"

as I said earlier Jesus submitted his will to God. you cant expect all the books to use same words. how he can say this is my last commandment, in fact he said another comforter will come.

Jesus is the pure love he didn't even ask us to Love him either he said love one another if you love your brother then you love me also. This is where Christianity is much different from other religions except Buddhism. Jesus is the living example of pure love

You are saying he didn't even ask u to love him. then why u are worshipping him. he was just a messenger. he him self was asking help from God and who is this ELI?

He is giving us example being a human we needs his grace & Mercy . He is not just a messenger some Muslims also b'live that (sure not you) He spoke with authority, he did lots of miracle no man can ever do , he have the answer to Sicknesses, sorrows & even to death (I think he has the answer for old age if he likes) Mohomand is just a messenger who hear some word secretly in a cave wrote that words (he also have no clue where it is come from) (Devil's Bible???? in the name of peace? sorry if my words hurt u)

Muslims says Islam is the religion of peace ? do you think it is true? what did Mohomad do ? he is a great warrior ? wow how cool na? he killed people in name of God , did you know abt Black stone? you guys are worshiping not to God (Moon God) but to the Black Stone hidden inside Mekkah

Jesus commanded "Love one another " but Mohammad kills one another. good trees bear good fruits, bad trees bear bad fruits this is how indirectly Jesus warns us. He said even Antichrist will come in the name of peace (Wolf in a sheep cloth - I wonder what Jesus trying to tell us (which cloth? sheep cloth is white? Ooops!)

I am not worth to tell these things all we can do is carefully investigate each others religions



Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI? that is to say, My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me'? (Matthew 27:46).

That's Jesus bear the God wrath " some people will never b'live :no:



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John 11:25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies;
 

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Did Jesus Ever Say He was God?

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Is Jesus God? Investigate these interesting claims...
Others were convinced that Jesus was God:
Paul: "Christ is the visible image of the invisible God."1
John: "He existed in the beginning with God."2
Peter: "you must worship Christ as Lord of your life."3

But what did Jesus say about himself?

Did he ever identify himself as God? According to the Bible...absolutely! Below are some of his statements made while on earth, in their context.

Is Jesus God? He said he was equal to God.

"Your father Abraham rejoiced as he looked forward to my coming. He saw it and was glad." The people said, "You aren't even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?" Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!" At that point they picked up stones to throw at him. But Jesus was hidden from them and left the Temple.4

"The Father and I are one." Once again the people picked up stones to kill him. Jesus said, "At my Father's direction I have done many good works. For which one are you going to stone me?" They replied, "We're stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, claim to be God."5

Jesus shouted to the crowds, "If you trust me, you are trusting not only me, but also God who sent me. For when you see me, you are seeing the one who sent me. I have come as a light to shine in this dark world, so that all who put their trust in me will no longer remain in the dark."6

After washing their feet, he put on his robe again and sat down and asked, "Do you understand what I was doing? You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and you are right, because that's what I am. And since I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you ought to wash each other's feet."7

Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. If you had really known me, you would know who my Father is. From now on, you do know him and have seen him!" Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied." Jesus replied, "Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don't know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you?"8

Is Jesus God? How he described himself:

Jesus said, "I tell you the truth, Moses didn't give you bread from heaven. My Father did. And now he offers you the true bread from heaven. The true bread of God is the one who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world." "Sir," they said, "give us that bread every day." Jesus replied, "I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never be hungry again. Whoever believes in me will never be thirsty."9

Jesus spoke to the people once more and said, "I am the light of the world. If you follow me, you won't have to walk in darkness, because you will have the light that leads to life." The Pharisees replied, "You are making those claims about yourself! Such testimony is not valid." Jesus told them, "These claims are valid even though I make them about myself. For I know where I came from and where I am going, but you don't know this about me."10

so he explained it to them: "I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. All who came before me were thieves and robbers. But the true sheep did not listen to them. Yes, I am the gate. Those who come in through me will be saved. They will come and go freely and will find good pastures. The thief's purpose is to steal and kill and destroy. My purpose is to give them a rich and satisfying life. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd sacrifices his life for the sheep."11

Martha said to Jesus, "Lord, if only you had been here, my brother would not have died. But even now I know that God will give you whatever you ask." Jesus told her, "Your brother will rise again." "Yes," Martha said, "he will rise when everyone else rises, at the last day." Jesus told her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me will live, even after dying. Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will never ever die. Do you believe this, Martha?" "Yes, Lord," she told him. "I have always believed you are the Messiah, the Son of God, the one who has come into the world from God."12

Is Jesus God? What he said he was sent here to do:

But Jesus called them together and said, "You know that the rulers in this world lord it over their people, and officials flaunt their authority over those under them. But among you it will be different. Whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first among you must become your slave. For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve others and to give his life as a ransom for many."13

for he wanted to spend more time with his disciples and teach them. He said to them, "The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of his enemies. He will be killed, but three days later he will rise from the dead." They didn't understand what he was saying, however, and they were afraid to ask him what he meant.14

"For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him. There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God's one and only Son."15

However, those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them. For I have come down from heaven to do the will of God who sent me, not to do my own will. And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them up at the last day. For it is my Father's will that all who see his Son and believe in him should have eternal life. I will raise them up at the last day."16



So Mr. I Love you Sri lanka

What Jesus have to say about you?

Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

today you divided up his clothes casting lots . God have mercy ! Inshallah :rolleyes:
 
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I doubt you are reading my answers, or you don't understand the language.I have proved u in my earlier comment jesus is not God, also Jesus and father are not one.just to reiterate you again.The following statements in the Bible are attributed to Jesus Christ


"My Father is greater than I." [The Bible, John 14:28]
"My Father is greater than all." [The Bible, John 10:29]
"…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…." [The Bible, Mathew 12:28]
"…I with the finger of God cast out devils…." [The Bible, Luke 11:20]
"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." [The Bible, John 5:30]

In fact there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, "I am God" or where he says, "worship me"

also, father and jesus are not one.see full context of the verse In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."


Of course he is messenger, this is what your bible says, not me.

"… and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me." [The Bible, John 14:24]

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent." [The Bible, John 17:3]


I want your reply please either accept or refute my claims, all of them given from your own bible only. 1st clarify me before you ask any other new questions.bec earlier you were silent for my many comments.only one thing i can say you before I conclude that you are not in a right path


See how much Jesus love you ?

But I tell you (for me - Y2k) : Love your enemies (your not my enemy ur my friend but jesus ask me even to love your enemies - but you guys are killing Jews killing ur enemies (Jews, Christians or Buddhists not your enemies but you label them as ur enemy) and pray for those who persecute you


It's all about love my friend it all about love nothing more nothing :love:less
 

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That's because Jesus bear the God wrath " some people will never b'live :no:
This is the another prof that He is 100% human nothing more nothing less (but Son of man) some people may think he have no feelings something like that


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John 11:25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies;
 

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Luke 3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: "You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased."

Allah hates if you make these kind of statement (I don't know why, Jesus unless you b'live in his son you can not inherited the Kingdom of Heaven, Koran says never b'live in son ? you decide why)
 

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John 5:24 "I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.