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    EDIT*: - SLT vala 1600 tax ekkane ? Lankabel vala 2000 tax natuva neda ?
    Limited Packages ලාභ නම් ඇති කොහොම උනත් පාවිච්චි කරන මං දන්න අයනං කියන්නෙ speed එක තිතට දෙනව කියල


    ඒ කියන්නෙ අඩුම තරමෙ 60% කට වඩා ලැබෙනව ඇති නෙ ?

    Naha 2ma price tax nathuwa. Oya 2tama tax add wenna ona.

    මෙහෙමයි දැනට මං SLT 8Mb Package එකට මාරු උනා 512 Unlimited එකේ ඉඳං. මොකද 512 අන්ලිමිටඩ් එකෙන් Virus Guard එක Update වත් කරගන්න බැරි තත්වයක් තිබුණු නිසා.

    දැන් තියෙන 8Mb එකෙන් 25GB වලින් ඉන්න බෑ වගේ හිතුනොත් ඩෙෆා ලංකබෙල් 512 package එකට මාරු වෙනවා

    Umba maru wenne na kiya kiya indala shape eke maru una neda :P
    Anyway passe ganna hitiyoth lankabelluth unlimited dena eka nawaththala thiyei. Mokada danatama lankabell eke limited packages dala site eke.
     

    Zeus

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    Umba maru wenne na kiya kiya indala shape eke maru una neda :P

    ithin kalin eken Virus Guard eka update vat karaganna bari nam moko karanne ? :S

    Anyway passe ganna hitiyoth lankabelluth unlimited dena eka nawaththala thiyei. Mokada danatama lankabell eke limited packages dala site eke.

    ඔය ගැනත් මං අර ඩයල් එකෙන් ඇහුවා.
    මෑන්ස් කියන විදිහට ඒ ගොල්ලන්ට වෙනම කේබල් එකක් තියෙනව SLT ලට අමතරව ඇන්ඩ් ඒකෙන් 10% වත් තාම පාවිච්චි වෙන්නෙ නෑ . ඒක නිසා ලඟකදි නං FUP වගේ ලිමිටේශන් එකක් වත් ඇඩ් වෙන්නෙ නෑ කිව්වා

    ඔය කිව්වට ශුවර් නෑ ඉතිං. TRC එකෙන් බල කළොත් උන්ටත් ලිමිට් කරන්න වෙනවනෙ ?
     

    GTRZ

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    ඔය ගැනත් මං අර ඩයල් එකෙන් ඇහුවා.
    මෑන්ස් කියන විදිහට ඒ ගොල්ලන්ට වෙනම කේබල් එකක් තියෙනව SLT ලට අමතරව ඇන්ඩ් ඒකෙන් 10% වත් තාම පාවිච්චි වෙන්නෙ නෑ . ඒක නිසා ලඟකදි නං FUP වගේ ලිමිටේශන් එකක් වත් ඇඩ් වෙන්නෙ නෑ කිව්වා

    ඔය කිව්වට ශුවර් නෑ ඉතිං. TRC එකෙන් බල කළොත් උන්ටත් ලිමිට් කරන්න වෙනවනෙ ?

    Okunta oka dan awrudu 6k withara indan thiyana cable eka. E dawasa wala wath un competition ekata SLT ekata wada gana adu kale na ne. Dan unath SLT limited ewa dammama lankabell ekath limited ewa dala. :P

    Munge Wimax thiyana eke SLT wage 8-16Mbps uth nathi eke ganan adu kalla denna ona competition eke inna. Eth ehema karanne na ne.

    Anik eka patta international backbone ekak awrudu ganak thisse thiyan okun mama danna widiyata lankawe datacenter ekak wath run karanne naha.

    Enisa TRC kese wethath egolloma unlimited dena eka nawaththanna godak ida thiyanawa.
     

    Zeus

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    Okunta oka dan awrudu 6k withara indan thiyana cable eka. E dawasa wala wath un competition ekata SLT ekata wada gana adu kale na ne. Dan unath SLT limited ewa dammama lankabell ekath limited ewa dala. :P

    backbone එකෙන් 10% විතරක් විකුණලා උන් කොහොමද ගාණ cover කරගන්නෙ කියන එකයි මට තියෙන ප්‍රශ්නෙ
    පාවිච්චි කළා හෝ නොකළා උන් මුළු ගාණම ගෙවන්න ඕනෙ නැද්ද ? :/


    Munge Wimax thiyana eke SLT wage 8-16Mbps uth nathi eke ganan adu kalla denna ona competition eke inna. Eth ehema karanne na ne.

    උං කියන විදිහට එහෙම කරන්නෙ නැත්තෙ උංගෙ සෝල් ටාගට් එක කෝපරේට් බේස් එක නිසා ලු

    වැඩිය ඕනෙ නෑ ලංකබෙල් CDMA ඇඩ් වත් වැඩිය යන්නෙ නෑ නෙ ?
    උං කරන්නෙ ස්විචස් ගෙන්නලා ස්ලොට්ස් ටික පිරෙනකං ඇඩ්වටයිස් කරල හුචස් ගාලා සයිලන්ට් මෝඩ් යනවා.


    Anik eka patta international backbone ekak awrudu ganak thisse thiyan okun mama danna widiyata lankawe datacenter ekak wath run karanne naha.

    Enisa TRC kese wethath egolloma unlimited dena eka nawaththanna godak ida thiyanawa.

    මං මුලින්ම ලංකබෙල් එකේ ඔපරේටර් කෙනෙක්ට කතා කළා ඌ අළුත් එකක් නිසා වැඩිය දන්නෙ නෑ . වැඩි කතා නැතුව මං තිබ්බා ඉතිං
    ඊට පස්සෙ දවසෙ උංගෙ හෙඩ් ඔෆිස් එකෙන්ම උගේ මොබයිල් එකෙන් කතා කරල මට 10-20min වගෙ දඩ විස්තරයක් දුන්නා.

    මේ අහක ඉන්න මාව බාගන්න හෙඩ් ඔෆිස් එකෙන්ම බිලී කොකු දානවනං උංට කම්පීට් කරන්න ඕනෙ නෑ කියන්නත් බෑ එක අතකට
     

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    In La Srinka
    menna mage SLT 4 Mbps Xcel UnLimited !!

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    You should read TRC regulations. ISP is not authorized to introduce FUP to existing unlimited packages. If they do you can sue them. But the problem is you all download like crazy all the day. Since SLT is not providing a dedicated internet service, when those dumbasses download like crazy others' internet speed gets slow. Some 'Mongals' use like 50 -80 GB per month. WTF is wrong with them? Actually we are the ones who gotta blame the people who come up here saying I got blacklisted and shit like.

    I tried to increase my monthly usage once. I only could reach up to 30 GB. Normally my average usage is in between 10 - 20 GB. But I see people here telling that they use like 80 -100 GB. WTF is that? Stop wasting the bandwidth so we all can enjoy. Anyway gotta admit that SLT provides a shitty service. But I don't feel like moving in to Lankabell bcz I gotta get a new connection and that's alot to bother. Anyway someday soon I'm also going to say goodbye to this piece of shit!
     
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    You should read TRC regulations. ISP is not authorized to introduce FUP to existing unlimited packages. If they do you can sue them. But the problem is you all download like crazy all the day. Since SLT is not providing dedicated internet service, when those dumbasses download like crazy others' internet speed gets slow. Some 'Mongals' use like 50 -80 GB per month. WTF is wrong with them? Actually we are the ones who gotta blame the people who come up here saying I got blacklisted and shit like.

    I tried to increase the usage of my monthly volume once. I only could reach 30 GB. Normally my average usage is in between 10 - 20 GB. But I see people here telling that they use like 80 -100 GB. WTF is that? Stop wasting the bandwidth so we all can enjoy. Anyway gotta admit that SLT provides shitty service. But I don't feel like moving in to Lankabell bcz I gotta get a new connection and that's alot to bother. Anyway someday soon I'm also going to say goodbye to this piece of shit!

    Unlimited users have all the liberty and right to download any amount of data they can. Others don't have a single say in it.If anyone to blame its SLT for adding excessive amount of subscribers to a limited pool.
     
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    You should read TRC regulations. ISP is not authorized to introduce FUP to existing unlimited packages. If they do you can sue them. But the problem is you all download like crazy all the day. Since SLT is not providing dedicated internet service, when those dumbasses download like crazy others' internet speed gets slow. Some 'Mongals' use like 50 -80 GB per month. WTF is wrong with them? Actually we are the ones who gotta blame the people who come up here saying I got blacklisted and shit like.

    I tried to increase the usage of my monthly volume once. I only could reach 30 GB. Normally my average usage is in between 10 - 20 GB. But I see people here telling that they use like 80 -100 GB. WTF is that? Stop wasting the bandwidth so we all can enjoy. Anyway gotta admit that SLT provides shitty service. But I don't feel like moving in to Lankabell bcz I gotta get a new connection and that's alot to bother. Anyway someday soon I'm also going to say goodbye to this piece of shit!

    Completely Wrong !

    There are terms and regulation that both customers and the providing party to adhere prior providing the service. And those are written and should be static throughout the contract period in order to avoid disputable occasions.

    They promised us to provide the service without any limitation. Which is unlimitedly. Do I need to point the meaning of that word in the dictionary ?
    Or let me interpret in another way

    They are bound to release 512*60*60*24*30/(8*1024*1024)GB per month for one customer or least 60% of it.

    The point is
    You possibly cannot blame on others usage by justifying your own habits now can you ? If they want to use 100 120Gb so be it. Thats the very reason they went for unlimited package. Not to screw with you.

    SLT made a huge mistake by providing many unlimited connection beyond the capacity and now they are trying to cover it up by cornering the heavy users by naming them as BLACKLISTED.

    They promised to give the service unlimitedly and now branding those who using it unlimitedly as what ? Leechers ?

    They limit the speed of their customers and made them hate for those who use heavily and people like you are playing right into them

    Pathetic !
     

    Sonique

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    Unlimited users have all the liberty to download any amount of data they can. Others don't have a single say in it.If anyone to blame its SLT for adding excessive amount of subscribers to a limited pool.

    Yeah see where it has lead us to now :rolleyes: So only few can have unlimited right? If so it would have been all the VIP families and their friends who are using unlimited packages now. Glad you are not the president. You could have wasted all the resources in SL just by saying 'We own it, no one can tell shit'. Think about the others too.

    http://www.trc.gov.lk/broadband/217...-of-fup-for-new-fixed-broadband-packages.html

    Read the first para and think of your own how selfish you are and what's gonna come in the near future. Everyone will be suffering just bcz some stupids think all the bandwidth is theirs just bcz they pay like 2000 per month :rolleyes:
     

    Zeus

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    Unlimited users have all the liberty and right to download any amount of data they can. Others don't have a single say in it.If anyone to blame its SLT for adding excessive amount of subscribers to a limited pool.

    Short and right to the point :)
     

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    Completely Wrong !

    There are terms and regulation that both customers and the providing party to adhere prior providing the service. And those are written and should be static throughout the contract period in order to avoid disputable occasions.

    They promised us to provide the service without any limitation. Which is unlimitedly. Do I need to point the meaning of that word in the dictionary ?
    Or let me interpret in another way

    They are bound to release 512*60*60*24*30/(8*1024*1024)GB per month for one customer or least 60% of it.

    The point is
    You possibly cannot blame on others usage by justifying your own habits now can you ? If they want to use 100 120Gb so be it. Thats the very reason they went for unlimited package. Not to screw with you.

    SLT made a huge mistake by providing many unlimited connection beyond the capacity and now they are trying to cover it up by cornering the heavy users by naming them as BLACKLISTED.

    They promised to give the service unlimitedly and now branding those who using it unlimitedly as what ? Leechers ?

    They limit the speed of their customers and made them hate for those who use heavily and people like you are playing right into them

    Pathetic !

    Yeah yeah you pay so you have all the right to use much as you can :rofl: When TRC is going to say no to unlimited we all will be fkd up right? They should not have given this much of unlimited connections right? Yeah think about this. You told that you will be getting a Lankabell unlimited if you cannot tolerate the 25GB monthly volume right? Let's say Lankabell decides to stop giving away unlimited connection today itself just bcz they want to give a better service right? Then you have neither SLT unlimited nor Lankabell unlimited. You won't get an unlimited connection even when you need it so badly while others are enjoying their unlimited right? So my point is if SLT thought not to issue their unlimited package after like 2009-2010 how many of us would have been worrying about it now just bcz we were late to apply for it? I don't know what's wrong with people. Even I say SLT's internet is shit. I admit it.

    Machan I experienced this in the university. That's why I'm telling this. We all have one internet connection at uni. We deserve it because we pay for it. Wel all deserve it right? Just imagine how it feels when some retard starts to download torrents like crazy as hell! Will others be able to use the facility?:no: Who is wrong there? We, institution or that dumbass? :nerd: If you are telling that SLT should stop giving away connections they shouldn't have given these new 8mbps connection too right? Don't you think we misused the unlimited package a bit? :eek: I don't know, that's how I feel. All suffer bcz of some outlaw
     
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    Yeah see where it has lead us to now :rolleyes: So only few can have unlimited right? If so it would have been all the VIP families and their friends who are using unlimited packages now. Glad you are not the president. You could have wasted all the resources in SL just by saying 'We own it, no one can tell shit'. Think about the others too.

    http://www.trc.gov.lk/broadband/217...-of-fup-for-new-fixed-broadband-packages.html

    Read the first para and think of your own how selfish you are and what's gonna come in the near future. Everyone will be suffering just bcz some stupids think all the bandwidth is theirs just bcz they pay like 2000 per month :rolleyes:

    I saw an opportunity when they first introduced unlimited connections and garbed it. SLT promised us unlimited bandwidth with max speed for the amount we pay, so what about us then? .
    Didn't SLT blacklisted heavy users long back?(moved them to a one loop or something) Therefor I think light users are hardly affected by heavy users. Even if it did, its unreasonable for you to ask unlimited subscribers to limit their monthly usage. We subscribed for Unlimited Connection Because we want an unlimited connection. Its simple as that.

    About that TRC notice, Even they could get a court oder or something to impose a FUP on Unlimited users I'm pretty sure it will be not unreasonable as throttling after 18GB or 20GB.Anyhow lets cross that bridge when we come to it
     

    Zeus

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    ......Let's say Lankabell decides to stop giving away unlimited connection today itself just bcz they want to give a better service right? Then you have neither SLT unlimited nor Lankabell unlimited. You won't get an unlimited connection even when you need it so badly while others are enjoying there unlimited right? So my point is if SLT thought not to issue their unlimited package after like 2009-2010 how many of us would have been worrying about it now just bcz we were late to apply for it? I don't know what's wrong with people. Even I say SLT's internet is shit. I admit it.

    Yes theres a possibility that I may not be able to get a unlimited connection from either LB or SLT. And yes I would have worried if I were late to apply for an unlimited connection.

    I still cant see where you are going with this ? :oo:


    Machan I experienced this in the university. That's why I'm telling this. We all have one internet connection at uni. We deserve it because we pay for it. Wel all deserve it right? Just imagine how it feels when some retard starts to download torrents like crazy as hell! Will others be able to use the facility?:no: Who is wrong there? We, institution or that dumbass? :nerd:
    Of coz that dumbass. Coz hes wasting resources that could have been use for educational needs.

    Say that one student require 1000 GB per day for his educational research etc and hes using it and there is no much bandwidth left for others
    Then the culprit is Institution. Coz its their job to see that students needs are provided with

    Machan some of the SLT users bought those packages with intent to use it heavily. Tell me is it wrong ?

    If some other limited customers are disturbed by it then SLT should buy some more bandwidth

    If you are telling that SLT should stop giving away connections they shouldn't have given these new 8mbps connection too right? Don't you think we misused the unlimited package a bit? :eek: I don't know, that's how I feel. All suffer bcz of some outlaw
    Mehemane ban oya okkoma mis usage eka para hena gahanna vage unada ? na ne ?

    SLT saw it looong time ago that they wouldn't be able to keep up with this demand. They should have stop giving unlimited connections back then. Not now when the situation is totally screwed up.
    Varadida kiyapan ?

    ඔතන මචං වෙලා තියෙන්නෙ උඹ වැඩිය පාවිච්චි කරන්නෙ නැති නිසා ගොඩක් පාවිච්චි කරන අය මොනව කරනවද කියල උඹට හිතාගන්න බැරි එකයි. උඹ හිතන්නෙ මිනිස්සු ෆන් එකට බුරුතු පිටින් බානවා කියලද ? :)

    සමහරු ආසයි ෆුල් HD fims බලන්න ඒ‍යින් එකක් 2.2Gb විතර ලොකුයි. ඒ වගේ ෆිල්ම් බලන්න ආස අයයි unlimited packages ගත්තෙ :)
     
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    Sonique

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    I saw an opportunity when they first introduced unlimited connections and garbed it. SLT promised us unlimited bandwidth with max speed for the amount we pay, so what about us then? .
    Didn't SLT blacklisted heavy users long back?(moved them to a one loop or something) Therefor I think light users are hardly affected by heavy users. Even if it did, its unreasonable for you to ask unlimited subscribers to limit their monthly usage. We subscribed for Unlimited Connection Because we want an unlimited connection. Its simple as that.

    About that TRC notice, Even they could get a court oder or something to impose a FUP on Unlimited users I'm pretty sure it will be not unreasonable as throttling after 18GB or 20GB.Anyhow lets cross that bridge when we come to it

    Anyway SLT is shit I know. But I think if SLT continues to do like this everyone will be going for the Lankabell package and when heavy users starts over to show their talent there we will face the same problem there too right? FUP is kinda annoying for me too. But if they can come up with a plan to raise the monthly volume up to 40 GB with the 8 Mbps package it will be fair I think. The current 25 GB for the 8Mbps is ridiculous as we can use the same volume with a 512 package. Maybe even more than that. So if you get the average usage of both packages they will be the same but with the 8Mbps we can reach the limit within 2 weeks not knowing it.
     

    Sonique

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    Yes theres a possibility that I may not be able to get a unlimited connection from either LB or SLT. And yes I would have worried if I were late to apply for an unlimited connection.

    I still cant see where you are going with this ? :oo:


    Of coz that dumbass. Coz hes wasting resources that could have been use for educational needs.

    Say that one student require 1000 GB per day for his educational research etc and hes using it and there is no much bandwidth left for others
    Then the culprit is Institution. Coz its their job to see that students needs are provided with

    Machan some of the SLT users bought those packages with intent to use it heavily. Tell me is it wrong ?

    If some other limited customers are disturbed by it then SLT should buy some more bandwidth

    Mehemane ban oya okkoma mis usage eka para hena gahanna vage unada ? na ne ?

    SLT saw it looong time ago that they wouldn't be able to keep up with this demand. They should have stop giving unlimited connections back then. Not now when the situation is totally screwed up.
    Varadida kiyapan ?

    ඔතන මචං වෙලා තියෙන්නෙ උඹ වැඩිය පාවිච්චි කරන්නෙ නැති නිසා ගොඩක් පාවිච්චි කරන අය මොනව කරනවද කියල උඹට හිතාගන්න බැරි එකයි. උඹ හිතන්නෙ මිනිස්සු ෆන් එකට බුරුතු පිටින් බානවා කියලද ? :)

    සමහරු ආසයි ෆුල් HD fims බලන්න ඒ‍යින් එකක් 2.2Gb විතර ලොකුයි. ඒ වගේ ෆිල්ම් බලන්න ආස අයයි unlimited packages ගත්තෙ :)

    ඔව් බන් මාත් දන්නව :) මාත් මේ 512 අන්ලිමිටඩ් කට්ටක ඉදගෙන තාම ලොටන්නෙ ෆ්.යු.පි වලට කැමති නැති හින්ද. මටත් දැනෙනව නෙවේ. මාත් ආසයි දවස පුරාම ෆිල්ම් බාල බලන්න. කවුද අකමැති. එත් බන් එහෙමයි කියල දවසෙ පැය 24ම ටොරෙන්ට්ස් දදා ඩවුන්ලෝඩ් කරන්නෙ නෑනෙ බන්. ඩවුන්ලෝඩ් කරන්න තමා අන්ලිමිටඩ් ගත්තෙ. එත් නිකටම හිතහන් දැන් ඇවරේජ් 20 ජිබී බාන එකෙක් වගෙ 5 ගුනයක් 100ජිබී පන්නල බාන උන් යූස් කරනවනෙ. උන් වගෙ සෙට් එකක් එකතු උනාම ඉතින් ෆෙයාර් යූස් කරන උන්ටත් කෙල වෙනව. මන් කියන්නෙ නෑ අන්ලිමිට්ඩ් වලට එෆ්.යූ.පී එස්ල්ටී එකට හිතෙන හිතෙන විදිහට දාන එක හරිය් කියල. එත් හෙවි ඩවුන්ලෝඩ් කරන උන් නිසා නෙවෙද එහෙම වෙන්නෙ? ටී.ආර්.සී එකෙන් කියල තියනවනෙ අන්ලිමිට්ඩ් පැකේජ් වලට යූස් කරන විදිහ බලල වැඩෙ දෙනවයි කියල උන්ගෙ සයිට් එකේම. එතකොට අපි කාටවත් අන්ලිමිට්ඩ් කියල එකක් ඉතුරු වෙන එකක් නැ. එදාට ඔය හෙවි ඩවුන්ලෝඩ් කරන එකෙක්වත් කියයිද අපි හින්ද තමා නෝර්මල් යූස් කරන උන්ටත් කෙල වුනේ කියල?

    උබ අහපු පලවෙනි එකට මචන් කියන්න තියෙන්නෙ කට්ටියකට විතරනෙ බන් අන්ලිමිට්ඩ් කියල එකක් හම්බෙන්නෙ අන්ලිමිට්ඩ් දෙන එක නැවත්තුවනන්. ඒ සෙට් එකට අපි දෙන්නත් අහු උනානන් කොහොම හරි අන්ලිමිට්ඩ් එකක් ගන්නනෙ ට්‍රයි කරන්නෙ. එහෙම බැලුවාම අන්ලිමිට්ඩ් දෙන්න එපා කියල අපි කරල තියෙන්නෙ අපි වගේම අන්ලිමිට්ඩ් එකක් ගන්න ආසාවෙන් හිටපු එකෙක්ට වල කැපිල්ලක්නෙ

    ඊලග එකට, මචන් එතකොට කට්ටියටම ගාන වැඩි කරන එකනෙ කරන්නෙ. මොකෝ ඉන්ස්ටිටියුට් අතින් දාල අපිට දෙන්නෙ නෑනෙ. එතකොට වැඩියෙන් ඩවුන්ලෝඩ් කරපු එකා කරන්නෙ තව හොදට බාන එක. කොහොම ගියත් ඌ අපිට කෙලවන්නෙ


    ගත්තෙනන් බාන්න තමා. දැන් වෙන්න යන්නෙ කට්ටියටම බඩු බනිස් වෙන්න යන එකනෙ :(
     

    greenthunder

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    Anyway SLT is shit I know. But I think if SLT continues to do like this everyone will be going for the Lankabell package and when heavy users starts over to show their talent there we will face the same problem there too right? FUP is kinda annoying for me too. But if they can come up with a plan to raise the monthly volume up to 40 GB with the 8 Mbps package it will be fair I think. The current 25 GB for the 8Mbps is ridiculous as we can use the same volume with a 512 package. Maybe even more than that. So if you get the average usage of both packages they will be the same but with the 8Mbps we can reach the limit within 2 weeks not knowing it.

    Then its Lankabells duty to either limit giving unlimited subscriptions or impose a "fair" FUP. But they won't have the legal problem that SLT is having regarding their old unlimited subscribers .So they can do pretty much anything they want! Therefor as I see it, its safer to stay with SLT rather than shift to Lankabell. But Staying with SLT has its own cons, like ridiculous speed drop etc...
    Yes, bringing up a higher bandwidth limit is much better than throttling or tampering with users internet experience.
    About 8Mbps connection, I think the whole idea of this connection is to attract existing unlimited users, thus earn more profits and get rid of heavy users. But they should have gone for a higher limit like 40GB(peak) rather than 25 GB. Then their plan would have worked much more effectively.
     
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