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dath kimbula

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    මහපොලව.....
    ඉතිං......
    අවසන දී...ස්ටැනිස් බැරතියන් මිය ගිය බව කන්ෆර්ම්ඩ්!
    සන්සා යුද්ධයේ මාවත වෙනස් කරයි වගේ. හැබැයි ජෝන් ස්නෝව් වින්ටර්ෆෙල් අල්ල ගන්න ගියොත්, මං හිතන්නේ *කේ ටිංකිරි තමා. කැමති වුණත් නැතත්, රැම්සි බෝල්ටන් ශක්තිමත්.
    ඩෙනේරියස් ස්ට්‍රෝම්බෝර්න් කුමරිය නම් ඩොතරාකි හමුදාව මෙහෙයවයි. එහෙම වුනොත්, ඇය රාජධානි 7 ම පාලනය කරයි. මොකද ග්‍රේ-වෝර්ම් ගේ නෂ්ඨ ශිෂ්ණ හමුදාව, සෙකන්ඩ් සන්ස් ලා සහ ඩොතරාකි හමුදාව කියන තුනේ ම එකතුව කියන්නේ අති විශාල සහ භයානක හමුදාවක්.
     

    ruwantheekshana

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    හැබැයි ජෝන් ස්නෝව් වින්ටර්ෆෙල් අල්ල ගන්න ගියොත්, මං හිතන්නේ *කේ ටිංකිරි තමා. කැමති වුණත් නැතත්, රැම්සි බෝල්ටන් ශක්තිමත්.

    ඒ වුනාට Arryn හමුදාවත් එනවා :) ඒක නිසා Ramsi ට ඇපත් නැති වෙනවා :)
     
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    yasas bandara

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    It's much more similar to being in the night's watch.
    For an instance technically when Jon became a person in the nights watch he isn't loyal to the starks. HE CAN'T BE LOYAL. HIS SERVICE IS TO THE NIGHT'S WATCH AND NIGHT'S WATCH ONLY. If the starks come seeking his help to defeat an enemy of them, he can't do so because he's breaking his vow.
    Say if a stark wanted to kill a commander of the watch saying he's bad or guilty of something and asks jon's help to do so, he cannot and he should not. BECAUSE IT'S NOT HIS PART TO PLAY.
    But if a stark seeks help of the watch (not for political reasons) then he can help and obliged to do so. (I don't know whether this made sense or not)
    But likewise

    This is also not a good comparison because there's a prior agreement that a man of the watch should discard everything after the vows. This is explained multiple times in the books with examples. There's no evidence to indicate the same is done by a kingsguard. For all we know, a Knight of the kingsguard is still a Knight under oath.
     

    Thilantdm

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    අද නම් හදට ආවා
    ඉතිං......
    අවසන දී...ස්ටැනිස් බැරතියන් මිය ගිය බව කන්ෆර්ම්ඩ්!
    සන්සා යුද්ධයේ මාවත වෙනස් කරයි වගේ. හැබැයි ජෝන් ස්නෝව් වින්ටර්ෆෙල් අල්ල ගන්න ගියොත්, මං හිතන්නේ *කේ ටිංකිරි තමා. කැමති වුණත් නැතත්, රැම්සි බෝල්ටන් ශක්තිමත්.
    ඩෙනේරියස් ස්ට්‍රෝම්බෝර්න් කුමරිය නම් ඩොතරාකි හමුදාව මෙහෙයවයි. එහෙම වුනොත්, ඇය රාජධානි 7 ම පාලනය කරයි. මොකද ග්‍රේ-වෝර්ම් ගේ නෂ්ඨ ශිෂ්ණ හමුදාව, සෙකන්ඩ් සන්ස් ලා සහ ඩොතරාකි හමුදාව කියන තුනේ ම එකතුව කියන්නේ අති විශාල සහ භයානක හමුදාවක්.

    machn kochchara hamuda ekathu unath onna bolton ekka gemak thiyei podi...
    e arenna kingslanding walata ehema echchara gemak ynne na...

    oya okkoma ekathi wenne dead walkersla ekka war ekata... :D
     

    ruwantheekshana

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    affa little finger karaya maha loka andaya....
    okawath marala danna one...

    ooka army eka aran awata oka aniwa mkak hari kapati wadak karai...

    අර පොඩි කැරියාවත් මරල දමන්න ඕනේ :frown: . ඌට ඕනේ ඕනේ සැරේට මිනිස්සු moon door එකෙන් පහලට තල්ලු කරලා දමන්න :frown:

    Little Finger කාරයා Bolton ලට පණිවිඩ යවයි Arryn ල එනවා කියල? එතකොට උන් දෙගොල්ල ගහගන්නවා? Stark and Bolton vs Arryn , ගොඩක් කට්ටිය මැරෙයි. ඊටපස්ස් lannister army එක ඇවිල්ලා ඉතුරුවෙච්ච අයට ගහනවා :eek:
     
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    dath kimbula

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    මහපොලව.....
    ඒ වුනාට Arryn හමුදාවත් එනවා :) ඒක නිසා Ramsi ට ඇපත් නැති වෙනවා :)
    එසේ විය යුතුයි.
    මොනව වුණත් මිනිසුන් කරපු වැරදි වලට නිෂ්ඨ ඵල හම්බවෙන බව මාටිං මුත්ත නොකිය කියනව මේකේ. කර්මය????? රූස් බෝල්ටන් ස්ටාර්ක්ලව පාවල දුන්නා. රිටර්න් එක ලැබුණා. තියෝන් ග්‍රේෙජා්යි තමන්ව හැදුව නිවස පාවල දුන්නා. කර්මය ලෙස රජ කිරුළ සහ ස්වකීය ශිෂ්ණයට අස්වාමික වුණා. ස්ටැනිස් බැරතියන් බ්ලඩ් මැජික් කොරන්න ගියා. ගෑණියෙක් ගෙන් හිස් ගැසුම් කෑවා. ජොෆ්රි පාහර කමේ උපරිමය, සෙත්තපෝච්චි. සන්සා තමන ගේ ගොංකං වලට ඇති තරං විදෙව්වා. රොබ් තමන් ගේ පාක්ෂිකයන්ට සමාව නොදී නීතිය නීතිය විදියට කරන්න ගියා. ඇන ගත්තා.

    කොහොම වුණත් උඹලට නොපෙනිච්චි ලොකු ටර්නින්ග් පොයින්ට් එකක් ගිය සැරේ එකේ පෙන්නුවා. ලෝර්ඩ් වැරිස් ගේ ඔත්තු සේවාව අර අළුත් මේස්ටර්කාරයා තමන් නතු කරගන්නවා. ඒක හොද දෙයක් නෙවෙයි. මොකද මම දන්න යුධ අපාය උපක්‍රම වලදී විස්පර්ස් වින් වෝර්ස්.
     

    Alucard_SxE

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    This is interesting. You’re quoting from the TV series (which you don’t watch) when it serves your purpose. Why can’t you consider other conversations (found only in TV series) as well? For an example in the TV series, Jamie asks Brienne what she’d have done if her beloved Renley had asked her to watch while he murders thousands of innocent men, women and children. He asks “would you have kept your oath then?” to which Brienne has no answer to give. This conversation proves that he cared about others. I have quoted this before but you’ve ignored it. IMO there’s a lot of bias here.:rolleyes:


    Again, this is a very bias statement. Does the Kinght's oath allow you to be a kinslayer? It asks you to obey your father. You're in the opinion that Kingsguard's oath MUST replace the former oath but you're avoiding saying it directly.



    So you're saying that any "sane man" would have betrayed the king (these things count as betraying the king) under the circumstances. Could a Kingsguard (ex- White Bull, Ser Dayne) have done so? You already claimed that they can't betray the King or take sides. So if a Kingsguard goes by your argument and refrain from betraying the king, that guy is not sane right?


    You obviously don't see the point here.

    The whole point of BEING IN THE KINGSGUARD AND TAKING THE OATH OF THE KINGSGUARD IS NOT DOING WHAT A SANE,ORDINARY MAN WOULD DO AT THAT TIME. NOT TAKING THE EASY WAY. BUT FINDING A WAY A UPHOLD HIS VOWS. It's not their decision to make. They made sure that they will give up their decision and will to that when they took the oath.

    "They are sworn to protect their king and the royal family with their own lives, to obey his commands, and to keep his secrets."



    Jaime may have been given the option of being a kinslayer or the kingslayer but he should have NOT CHOSEN THE 2ND OPTION. HE SIMPLY CAN'T. BECAUSE HIS DUTY IS THE KING. (But that doesn't mean he should choose the 1st one either. But the 2nd one is not an option for him) Perhaps his actions could've been justified if he atleast found a third option. As capturing and holding the king. (FYI knocking him out is the same as this. Why would I mean anything other than that?)


    Do you know why Jaime wanted to be in the kingsguard in the first place?? To BE CLOSE TO CERSEI.
    Ok I may agree that Jaime was proud to be a knight (I read that part), but the vows? puh! He only sought his own gain.
    And the kingsguard, he never wanted any part of it. It is because of cersei that he agreed to be in the kinsguard.
    And before you point out I know that it was Aryes' suspicion and wanting to rob him of his heir was the fact that Jaime was appointed but Jaime wanted to be in the kingsguard was because he wanted to be close to Cersei. Cersei was the one who pointed that out and Jaime agreed. An argument could be made that it was cersei who was the thorn at Jaime's side, who made him the things he did, but again he did them, and they are his own actions. So they define him.



    I only quoted from the TV show because you don't seem to understand it. Jaime does defend himself a lot. By HIMSELF. They are his own words. AND YOU ONLY POINT OUT THOSE THINGS.
    AND MIGHT I ADD, that all those defending his character was done by him was, BEFORE HIS LIFE CHANGED. DO YOU SEE AT ANY POINT HE TRIES TO DEFEND HIMSELF AFTER THAT?
    All those lies he told himself and others defending himself and his actions, now he understands them for what they were. And now he tries to cleanse himself by doing the right thing.

    All those things you've stated are about Jaime justifying himself.
    That's what Eddard asks that thing in which I quoted about.
    "IS THAT WHAT YOU TELL YOURSELF WHEN YOU GO TO SLEEP??"

    And later when his life changes for good, he understands this.




    Again you don't get the point here.

    See what you've stated,
    "However, if there were people around and if the King had shouted the order to one of them, Jamie could have been in trouble."

    Do you see what you've stated here? Jaime's personal gain. His attempt to save his life and not the kings life. OR THE OTHER INNOCENT PEOPLE AS PER YOUR KNIGHTLY VOWS. According to your statement you say that understood that he could be in trouble, so his first thought is to save HIMSELF?????
    Is that what a knight should do at that time?? Be selfish?? (I'm only stating this because you yourself wrote this)



    Thanks for pointing out the other facts I can use. But remember, HE COULD'VE STOPPED THE SACK OF KINGS LANDING. At least tried. Because lannister men will here to what he'll say. If he cared so much about the people, he should've. AND HE DIDN'T SAVE THE LIVES OF INNOCENTS. ALMOST ALL OF THE PEOPLE'S LIVES WERE RUINED (Maybe apart from the Red Keep) WHO LIVED IN KINGS LANDING.
    SO AS YOU SAY, HE JUST CHOSE TO STOP A MASS EXECUTION JUST TO GIVE CHANCE TO ANOTHER MASS EXECUTION.

    and I'm not in the opinion of replacing one oath with another. I've stated clearly in the previous post what I meant.


    And again, if Jaime killed aryes (going against his vows) and become a kingslayer because to honor his knightly vows and save the innocent, then why didn't he kill Tywin at that time and become a kinslayer (Or atleast stop him) BECAUSE TO HONOR HIS KNIGHTLY VOWS AND SAVE THE INNOCENTS FROM HIS MEN OR KILLING ELIA AND HER CHILDREN??
    If he killed the king in case to protect the innocent then obviously it isn't hard to kill the kin to protect them again.. according to you honoring his vows.
    (Because you say that he took his vows seriously neh?? Isn't elia and even the people of landing doesn't make into YOUR GROUP OF INNOCENT PEOPLE THAT JAIME SHOULD PROTECT??)

    Trying to kill bran to save his children? Pff.. He was afraid of getting caught so he again sought the easy way out. As per you his Knightly Vows doesn't apply here.

    You never say Jaime is perfect. But according to you what Jaime did at that time was perfect and per knightly vows. And then again he's released from his knightly vows during the sack and killing of Elia and her children.


    But the poetic justice of the loss isn’t lost on him. As he tells Brienne, “I’ve lost the hand I killed the king with. The hand that flung the Stark boy from that tower. The hand I’d slide between my sister’s thighs to make her wet.” His identity crisis is spelled right out for us in his point of view when he thinks, “The goat had robbed him of his GLORY & HIS SHAME, both at once. Leaving what? Who am I now?”
     

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    අද නම් හදට ආවා
    අර පොඩි කැරියාවත් මරල දමන්න ඕනේ :frown: . ඌට ඕනේ ඕනේ සැරේට මිනිස්සු moon door එකෙන් පහලට තල්ලු කරලා දමන්න :frown:

    Little Finger කාරයා Bolton ලට පණිවිඩ යවයි Arryn ල එනවා කියල? එතකොට උන් දෙගොල්ල ගහගන්නවා? Stark and Bolton vs Arryn , ගොඩක් කට්ටිය මැරෙයි. ඊටපස්ස් lannister army එක ඇවිල්ලා ඉතුරුවෙච්ච අයට ගහනවා :eek:

    ade kiynna ba little finger karayage wada wala hatiyata oya wage deyak nokaloth thama pudume :lol::lol:

    eetath kingslanding+lannisterla thama weakma mn danna hatiyata.....
    unta echchara loku army ekak dn neda bn?

    eetath Dorne wala unuth lannisterla ekka mala :lol::lol:

    eelaga episode eke anik red women enawa :D
     

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    This is also not a good comparison because there's a prior agreement that a man of the watch should discard everything after the vows. This is explained multiple times in the books with examples. There's no evidence to indicate the same is done by a kingsguard. For all we know, a Knight of the kingsguard is still a Knight under oath.

    What I tried to say here is that A brother of the blacks' first duty is to the black as per a knight of the kingsguards' first duty is to the king and his family
    The rest comes later for a knight of the kingsguard, and the rest doesn't apply for a brother of the black. (But he is obliged to help who needs it)
     

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    මහපොලව.....
    ade kiynna ba little finger karayage wada wala hatiyata oya wage deyak nokaloth thama pudume :lol::lol:

    eetath kingslanding+lannisterla thama weakma mn danna hatiyata.....
    unta echchara loku army ekak dn neda bn?

    eetath Dorne wala unuth lannisterla ekka mala :lol::lol:

    eelaga episode eke anik red women enawa :D
    කිංස්ලෑන්ඩිං වල ලොකු මරා ගැනිල්ලක් එයි. ටොමන් රජතුමා අර ස්පෑරෝකාරයටයි, මිනිහගේ කල්ලියටයි විරුද්ධව යුධ ප්‍රකාශ කරයි. ඒකෙන් සෑහෙන්න හැදි ගෑවිල යයි.
    කොහොමත් ජෝන් ස්නෝව් මිනිසුන් වෙනුවෙන් සුදු ඇවිදින්නන් එක්ක යුද්ධය ලීඩ් කරයි. ඩැනේරියස් ස්ට්‍රෝම්බෝර්න් කුමරිය ගේ හමුදාවෙ හයිය, බ්‍රෙන්ඩන් ස්ටාර්ක් ගේ හැකියාව, මැලිසැන්ඩ්‍රා ආර්යාවගේ බලය සහ ටිරියන් ලැනිස්ටර්, ලෝර්ඩ් වැරිස් සහ සෑම් (අර මහත බුවා)ගේ මොළය සහ විචක්ෂණභාවය යොදවලා.
     

    ruwantheekshana

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    ade kiynna ba little finger karayage wada wala hatiyata oya wage deyak nokaloth thama pudume :lol::lol:

    eetath kingslanding+lannisterla thama weakma mn danna hatiyata.....
    unta echchara loku army ekak dn neda bn?

    eetath Dorne wala unuth lannisterla ekka mala :lol::lol:

    eelaga episode eke anik red women enawa :D

    Lannister ලට gold තියෙන නිසා Little FInger උන්ගේ පැත්තට support ;) .

    හැබැයි Tyrell ල Lannisters ලට support කරයි ජේමි ගිහින් Queen ව බෙරගත්තොත් , Tyrell ලගේ bannerman කෙනෙක් තමයි Tarly කියන්නේ, ඌ තමයි westeros වල ඉන්න හොඳම warrior , robert baratheon හිටන් ඌට පැරදුනා :shocked: එතකොට tyrell , tarly Lannister එකතුවුනාම ගොඩක් ඉන්නවා :yes:

    ඒත් හැම ෆිල්ම් එකකම අන්තිමට වීරයා දිනනවනේ? ඒත් මම martin ගෙන් යම්කිසි වෙනසක් බලාපොරොත්තු වෙනවා ;)
     

    ruwantheekshana

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    කොහොමත් ජෝන් ස්නෝව් මිනිසුන් වෙනුවෙන් සුදු ඇවිදින්නන් එක්ක යුද්ධය ලීඩ් කරයි. ඩැනේරියස් ස්ට්‍රෝම්බෝර්න් කුමරිය ගේ හමුදාවෙ හයිය, බ්‍රෙන්ඩන් ස්ටාර්ක් ගේ හැකියාව, මැලිසැන්ඩ්‍රා ආර්යාවගේ බලය සහ ටිරියන් ලැනිස්ටර්, ලෝර්ඩ් වැරිස් සහ සෑම් (අර මහත බුවා)ගේ මොළය සහ විචක්ෂණභාවය යොදවලා.

    But remember the phrase "valar morghulis" ;) හිතනවද martin කාරය එහෙම happy ending එකක් දෙයි කියල :dull:
     

    dath kimbula

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    මහපොලව.....
    Lannister ලට gold තියෙන නිසා Little FInger උන්ගේ පැත්තට support ;) .

    හැබැයි Tyrell ල Lannisters ලට support කරයි ජේමි ගිහින් Queen ව බෙරගත්තොත් , Tyrell ලගේ bannerman කෙනෙක් තමයි Tarly කියන්නේ, ඌ තමයි westeros වල ඉන්න හොඳම warrior , robert baratheon හිටන් ඌට පැරදුනා :shocked: එතකොට tyrell , tarly Lannister එකතුවුනාම ගොඩක් ඉන්නවා :yes:

    ඒත් හැම ෆිල්ම් එකකම අන්තිමට වීරයා දිනනවනේ? ඒත් මම martin ගෙන් යම්කිසි වෙනසක් බලාපොරොත්තු වෙනවා ;)
    මට හිතෙන්නෙම අර පරයා-බේලිෂ් සාමිවරයා, පොඩි ඇගිල්ලා රජ වෙයි කියල බං අන්තිමට!
     

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    මහපොලව.....
    But remember the phrase "valar morghulis" ;) හිතනවද martin කාරය එහෙම happy ending එකක් දෙයි කියල :dull:
    මාටිං මුත්ත නං අංශු මාත්‍රයක් ශුවර් නැති බුවෙක්......
    මේ යහපාලන ආණ්ඩුව වගේමයි.:nerd::nerd::nerd: