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    "For dust you are, and to dust you shall return"- This is very true considering the human condition. But can we think of this the same when there's so much valuable or refined material, high technological things in the contemporary world. We love our possessions unlike anytime in the human history ryt??

    Every generation loved their possesions isn't it?How we can say for sure we love them more than previohs humans.May be previous human loved their bone hammer as we love our tesla.
     

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    Every generation loved their possesions isn't it?How we can say for sure we love them more than previohs humans.May be previous human loved their bone hammer as we love our tesla.

    not exactly. we are more materialistic than previous generations. we have even replaced the cast system with material consumption so that the one who consumes and wasted more is praised. people used to buy stuff because they needed them. we buy stuff to maintain our social status and impress other people. shopping has become a ritual in 21st century. people seek salvation in hoarding. :(
     

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    i don't think that really happened. look at how many people believe in simulation hypothesis. there are millions who claim our universe could be a computer simulation. does that really qualify as atheism ? what has really happened is creationism had changed its form.people in old ages ascribed everything to an anthropic creator with some divine powers. modern europeans now ascribe the same to yet another anthropic creator but with programming knowledge instead of divine powers. there isn't a big difference between the two. eastern thought without a beginning to everything deviate more from both these views and in our perspective they are nowhere near atheism :no: all they have rejected is just the word "GOD". there culture and though still depends heavily on biblical thinking.

    what's really going to happen is this body of yours that is on earth would stop feeling it's existence and your consciousness would still persist in another body in some remote planet.

    Well, simulation hypothesis isn't a very popular knowledge. Atheists are non religious for reasons like, noas ark, crualiy of God in old testament ..Eric

    Even athiests think there is some ways that the universe is governed , they at least subconscious think there is some rewarding system for morality.
     

    Emios

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    not exactly. we are more materialistic than previous generations. we have even replaced the cast system with material consumption so that the one who consumes and wasted more is praised. people used to buy stuff because they needed them. we buy stuff to maintain our social status and impress other people. shopping has become a ritual in 21st century. people seek salvation in hoarding. :(

    Hmm i agree,But it depends on the person right.But every generation tried to grab everything they could create of.Only very few generations think of salvation
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    Every generation loved their possesions isn't it?How we can say for sure we love them more than previohs humans.May be previous human loved their bone hammer as we love our tesla.

    Thats true:yes:. So finally what purpose do you think the earth had in creating living beings after all? What was its advantage in all this effort??
     

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    Well, simulation hypothesis isn't a very popular knowledge. Atheists are non religious for reasons like, noas ark, crualiy of God in old testament ..Eric

    Even athiests think there is some ways that the universe is governed , they at least subconscious think there is some rewarding system for morality.

    they do reject some stories like noas ark. but their thought is still shaped by christian culture. i was stunned to hear a scientist from some western country say he doesn't feel someone is looking at him when he looks at a fish. can u even believe that ? western thought deeply intertwined with chritianity and bible. they can claim they reject god and bible. but biblical teachings govern their world view. i don't think anyone from east is capable of seeing a fish as some material object. we do feel someone is looking back at us when we looked at a fish. and this is just a single instance.
     

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    Thats true:yes:. So finally what purpose do you think the earth had in creating living beings after all? What was its advantage in all this effort??

    No purpose.Earth didnt create,concious entities came an adopt it the way they like it.There was enitity called water,there were entitiy known as plants,there were fruits.Concious entities made a liking to them.Not the other way around like trees and fruits born because animals wanted to eat.animals became fond of what was avaialable and made a liking.Its a continous process without an ultimate goal.It gets distroyed after some time and all happen again in cycles
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    G.D.1.nirmal

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    not exactly. we are more materialistic than previous generations. we have even replaced the cast system with material consumption so that the one who consumes and wasted more is praised. people used to buy stuff because they needed them. we buy stuff to maintain our social status and impress other people. shopping has become a ritual in 21st century. people seek salvation in hoarding. :(

    Nothing so true considering the contemporary world:yes::cool:. Everybody is a consumer and are proud of what they consume and possess.Consumerism is like a religion in the present world. And sometimes a defense mechanism too to save yourself from intimidation of others who consume more:yes::cool::D
     

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    Hmm i agree,But it depends on the person right.But every generation tried to grab everything they could create of.Only very few generations think of salvation
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    not exactly. no person is an individual of it's own :no: society creates the person and it's society and its culture that teaches the individual what to desire. in our modern day culture material possession is everything. the whole societal hierarchy is defined on how much material one owns.

    in past things were just things to be used. one's position in society wasn't defined on what he owns :no: our perception of things have gone through a dramatic change. in east letting go of one's desires to material things was seen as a goal. but today it's the exact opposite :(
     

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    Nothing so true considering the contemporary world:yes::cool:. Everybody is a consumer and are proud of what they consume and possess.Consumerism is like a religion in the present world. And sometimes a defense mechanism too to save yourself from intimidation of others who consume more:yes::cool::D

    :yes:

    it's THE RELIGION of 21st century. all the other religions are falling behind consumerism and we deceive our self saying we are becoming more and more secular :sorry: it's only after this civilization fell would we understand what we have done and what beliefs we held. :sorry:
     

    Emios

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    not exactly. no person is an individual of it's own :no: society creates the person and it's society and its culture that teaches the individual what to desire. in our modern day culture material possession is everything. the whole societal hierarchy is defined on how much material one owns.

    in past things were just things to be used. one's position in society wasn't defined on what he owns :no: our perception of things have gone through a dramatic change. in east letting go of one's desires to material things was seen as a goal. but today it's the exact opposite :(

    Desire is bound to change.Yes i agree everythihg is measured now in material gain.back then they were measured by skin tone,now also to some extent.material possesion is fine as long as yoh know it is not permamant,But we cant change society now.Only way is to change our thinking patterns.Every generation had its own disvantages.
     

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    not exactly. no person is an individual of it's own :no: society creates the person and it's society and its culture that teaches the individual what to desire. in our modern day culture material possession is everything. the whole societal hierarchy is defined on how much material one owns.

    in past things were just things to be used. one's position in society wasn't defined on what he owns :no: our perception of things have gone through a dramatic change. in east letting go of one's desires to material things was seen as a goal. but today it's the exact opposite :(


    Desire is bound to change.Yes i agree everythihg is measured now in material gain.back then they were measured by skin tone,now also to some extent.material possesion is fine as long as yoh know it is not permamant,But we cant change society now.Only way is to change our thinking patterns.Every generation had its own disvantages.

    The current thinking pattern is like you are literally dead if you don't consume. The "I" aspect or your consciousness is dictated by what you have your possessions or your material value is that the conclusion to this matter of who am "I" is then??
     

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    The current thinking pattern is like you are literally dead if you don't consume. The "I" aspect or your consciousness is dictated by what you have your possessions or your material value is that the conclusion to this matter of who am "I" is then??

    I Is a collection always and a defined boundry.No matter you own all the cars and gold on this planet it is still a defined boundry.So yes 'I' is a collection of memories,thoughts,body and all other mindly and physical posesstions
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    සිරාවට ඇයි බං මොන රෙද්දකටද consciousness එකක් ඇතිවුනේ. නිකං random cell configuration එකක් කොහොමද එක පාරට conscious වෙන්නෙ :sorry: ඇයි consciousness එක නැතුව ඔහේ කකා reproduce කරන ජීවියෙක් බිහිවෙන්න බැරි :sorry: consciousness එක කියන්නෙ එක්කො ඇති එක්කො නැති දෙයක් ද ? නැත්තං ස්පෙක්ට්‍රම් එකක්ද ? සමහරුන්ට අඩුයි සමහරුන්ට වැඩියි එක එක්කෙනාගෙ වෙනස් ප්‍රමාණ වලිං තියෙන්නෙ ? :eek:


    භෞතික ලෝකය, ජීවයේ රසායනය, විඥානය මේ හැම දෙයක්ම අපි අපේ මනසින් තේරුම් ගත්ත දේවල්
    මේ හැම දෙයක්ම මනසේ (විඥානයේ) මායාවක්..
    භෞතික සෛලයට විඥානයක් ආවෙ කොහොමද කියල හිතන්ඩ වුණ එකත් මුලාවක්..


    මටත් මේ ටික ඉංගිරිසියෙන් චුරුස් බුරුස් ගාල කොටන්ඩ තිබුණනං, මෙලහකට කෙල්ලෙක් සෙට් වෙලා... :sorry:
     

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    භෞතික ලෝකය, ජීවයේ රසායනය, විඥානය මේ හැම දෙයක්ම අපි අපේ මනසින් තේරුම් ගත්ත දේවල්
    මේ හැම දෙයක්ම මනසේ (විඥානයේ) මායාවක්..
    භෞතික සෛලයට විඥානයක් ආවෙ කොහොමද කියල හිතන්ඩ වුණ එකත් මුලාවක්..


    මටත් මේ ටික ඉංගිරිසියෙන් චුරුස් බුරුස් ගාල කොටන්ඩ තිබුණනං, මෙලහකට කෙල්ලෙක් සෙට් වෙලා... :sorry:

    තොට ඉතිං කොහෙං ගියත් කෙල්ලෙක් නැති අඳෝනාවම තමා. :rolleyes: