My friend Jesus said so "I and the father are one" Jesus said "father is in me I am in the father"
Unless I give you a detail answers you may not understand fully, that is why I am trying to explain u in details first Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."
These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.
Also let us look at verse John 17:20-22 "That the ALL may be made ONE. Like thou Father art in me, I in thee, that they may be ONE in us. I in
them, they in me, that they may be perfect in ONE". In this verse, the same word ONE used, the Greek, HEN is used, not only to describe Jesus and the Father but to describe Jesus, the Father and eleven of the twelve disciples of Jesus. So here if that implies equality, we have a unique case of 13 Gods.
Of the verse in question, "I and the Father are One" in (John 10:30), we also need to take note of the verses following the 30th verse in the text. In those verses, the Jews accuse Jesus falsely of claiming to be God by these words. He however replies, proving their accusation wrong by their own text: "The Jews answered him saying,'For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy, and because that thou being a man, makest thyself a God '" (John 10:33).
Jesus replies to this accusation saying: "Jesus answered them, 'Is it not written in your Law, "I said ye are gods. If He can call them gods, unto whom the word of God came, say ye of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world, "Thou blasphemeth," because I said I am the son of God?'" (John 10:34-36).
Let us look at Acts 2:22 "O you men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you..." Peter in the Book of Acts testifies about Jesus. Jesus thus even to his disciples, as to early Christians, not poisoned by Pauline doctrine, was a man, not a God.
Other thing is this God as his original form is too holy , we are sinful so if God came to this world as his original form we can not even stand before him that's why God has to take human body & come to this world to show his love being a living example that is why bible say ""For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
1st of all I don’t agree with God change his form and come to the world in the form of human, God and human is two opposite characters, if God becoming a human is not godliest act. What God did was he selected among the people as prophets and through them he talked to people and showed his his blessings.
Mind you those who reject son rejected the father like that I can give thousand quotes from the bible (but still you won't b'live)
SON ALSO MEANS DESCENDANT
It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mathew, Chapter 1 verse 1
"Jesus Christ, the son of David,....".
[Mathew 1:1]
Gospel of Luke Chapter 3, verse 23
"And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, ....."
[Luke 3:23]
DID JESUS (PBUH) HAVE TWO FATHERS?
What do you call a person who has two fathers? The explanation of the phrase that Jesus (pbuh) was the son of David (pbuh), is that Jesus (pbuh) was a descendant of David (pbuh). ‘Son’, here means a descendant.
I am Sorry Im not abusing you & Jesus (PBUH), Please forgive if I hurt your feelings.
my argument is if i love my children so much I should be able to give my life even for there future so rather than just setting and asking people to submit is far away from love (actually love can not be forced) Christianity based on love Heavenly father is the perfect father
Actually there are no 3 person there is only one GOD with different form Just because he loves his children so badly. my friend i do not want to argue with you but Let me ask you one question
what do you think about
Liquid water , Ice cube & water vapors
those are three things or three forms ? did you ever think why?
I do agree matter can be in three states - Solid, Liquid and Gas. But you should realize that if water is present in 3 states… solid, liquid, gas - as ice, water, and vapour, in all the three states - the constituents, the component of water is the same... H2O. Even if its ice, the constituent and component is H2O - Even when it is water it is H2O - Even when it is vapour it is H2O - Even when it is ice… even when it is gas or liquid, it is H2O - That’s very important. Now lets analyze the example they gave of ‘trinity’ - Father, son and holy ghost. In 3 forms if you say… for the sake of argument, I agree - but are the constituents of all these three things, - father, son, that is Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) and holy ghost, the same? We know very well that human beings have got flesh and bones - A spirit and God Almighty have got no flesh and bones. Human beings require to eat -God Almighty does not require to eat. And the same message Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) gave - Its mentioned in the Gospel of Luke Ch. No.24, V.No.39 to 43. That, ‘Behold my hands and feet - Its I myself. Handle me and see - that a spirit has got no flesh and bones as you see me have. And he gave his hands and feet - And they were overjoyed. To prove what? that he was not a spirit - he was not God Almighty. And the verse continues ‘Do you have meat to eat’ and the next verse says that he ate broiled fish and honey comb. To prove what? - that he was God? To prove that he was not God! Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) said, ‘A spirit has no flesh and bones, as I have proving that he was not a spirit - he was not Almighty God
Jesus never said I am the GOD please do worship me (worship is a result of your faith or the way how showing your respect to other nothing more that is why worship alone can not help you most important thing is faith & Love ) but people worship him because his great deeds
See the Faith ,Love,respect and worship are two different matters, just bec you respect someone you can’t worship him, so even I respect jesus,mohammed & all the prophets and I am not worshipping them, furthermore Don’t you feel you are behaving against the Jesus (PBUH) when you worship him.
The Bible's New Testament also records Jesus saying: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone." (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"
In fact,there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, "I am God" or where he says, "worship me"
after his resurrection one disciple worshiped him by saying "My lord my God" Jesus never correct him (If Jesus & God two separate entities Jesus would have corrected him)
It is often claimed that since Thomas referred to Jesus as "My God, my Lord (John 20:28)," that Jesus was God. An ignorance of the context of the verse and of Christian doctrine prompts this claim. The context of the verse talks about an unbelieving Thomas being surprised when Jesus offers him evidence.
The exclamation, "My God," on his part was just astonishment. We use such exclamations everyday while talking to people. This doesn't mean that the person we are talking to is God. For example, I see John cutting his wrist with a Rambo knife. I say: "My God, John what are you doing?" Do I mean that John is God? Of course not. Similar is the use of the expression by Thomas. If you go into Jewish or Muslim societies even today, you'll hear people exclaim "My God, my Lord," at every situation which surprises them or causes them anguish or is astonishing.
If the author of John had recognized Thomas' words to be a testimony that "Jesus is God" and if the author interpreted Jesus' silence to be his approval of this claimed testimony, then John would have written "that ye might believe that Jesus is the Almighty God" and not "that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ..."
My friend no one can understand GOD, you should experience the GOD
What you mean by Experience, all the atheists are experiencing the God, whats special in your statement?
even after Jesus descended to heaven Jesus promised to send another helper that is his 'Holy spirit' or you can say Holy Ghost . I have personally experience it but do not ask how the hell that feel
Muslim misunderstood about the holy spirit by thinking that Jesus is talking about their Prophet
Not really, It is Christians misunderstood. I can quote you from bible it self the following versus.
1)Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not
come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".
2)Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."
3)John chapter 14 verse 16:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."
Brother, you failed to realize that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the
Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
Brother If i am wrong correct me i am very open minded fellow
Sure, I have done so, you also can correct me if I am wrong with logical reasons with the support of bible. I am also very opened minded, would like to have friendly discussion with u.
Just think We Christians Believe in Son of God or Jesus is the son of God , sacrifice his life for us.
My previous replies are relevant to this.
So apart from following his path we should believe that he die for us,
but you people according to the instruction given by Koran says that Do not B'live in Jesus as a son of God and He did not die
Yes Quran says he didn’t die. To prove he died or not, if u want we can discuss in the different subject later on. Jesus (peace be upon him) never said that if you want to go to heaven, you consider me as Almighty God. He never said that you believe that I will die for your sins – In fact he said, ‘You keep the commandments’. It is further mentioned in the book of Acts, Ch.No. 2 V.No.22 “O men of Israel, hear this, Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved by God, amongst you, by miracles, and wonders and signs, which God did by him, in your presence, and you were witness’. It says, ‘Jesus of Nazareth a man approved by God, by miracles and wonders, which God did by him’. And when Jesus (peace be upon him) was asked, that ‘which is the first of the commandments’? he repeated verbitem what was said earlier by Moses (peace be upon him). It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mark, Ch. No. 12, V.No. 29, he said ‘Shama Israelo, Ada Ilahaino Ada Ihad’ It is a Hebrew quotation which means, ‘Hear Oh Israel, the Lord our God, is in one lord’. So if you read the Bible, you will understand the concept of God, in Christianity.
Just think carefully if Muslims believed in Jesus as a messenger of Allah why Jesus claimed to be God? Either Jesus is lier or Bible is corrupted or else Koran is corrupted
See Bible has not maintained its purity, over the years it was corrupted and fabricated. actually we have faith on bible(original revelation Injeel)we are not muslims Unless we trust the original bible. But We don’t trust the current bible as it has corrupted.
The Bible's "original manuscripts had been lost" according to the Christian scholars and theologians:
Some Christians decided to respond to many of the Bible's contradictions. They named their site "101 Clear Contradictions in the Bible." Ironically, their own quotes below refute them! For example, you can do a search on this text in their site: "Confirmation of this type of copyist error is found in various pagan writers as well." Even those Christian scholars admit with their own typed words by their own fingers that the Bible does indeed contain "copyist error(s)", and they lowered their Holy Scripture to the level of a pagan book through their comparison. My question is then, how can it be the word of GOD when it contains Satanic "copyist errors"?
By the way, please visit:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article574768.ece
Why we need another messenger (telling a different story) if Jesus's teachings are still there ?
As you know time to time God sent the messengers to a community, before Jesus ,Moses was sent, Jews rejected the Jesus, Christians rejected Mohammed. Even Moses teaching also still there. Then a jew even can question u why Jesus was required. Story is not at all different; the message was same that God is one. It was revealed by God step by step, as we study Grade 1 to A/L. so that people were able to understand, only finally when God thought its time to stop the revelation, he revealed final & last message that is quran to last and final messenger Mohammed(saw).
Jesus (Pbuh) is talking about whom here. Who is that “ HE”??
Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me".
One thing we believe in common that Jesus will come to this world for the 2nd time then we will know the truth insallah
Again I want to tell you, Jesus never claimed divinity, In fact if you read the Bible it is mentioned in the Gospel of John, Ch.No. 14, V.No.28, Jesus (peace be upon him) said – ‘My Father is greater than I’ In the Gospel of John, Ch. No.10, V.No. 29 ‘My father is greater than all’. In the Gospel of Mathew Ch.No.12 V.No.28 “I cast out devil with Sprit of God’. Gospel of Luke, Ch. No. 11 V.No.20 “I with the finger of God, cast out devils’. Gospel of John, Ch.No.5 V.No.30 ‘I can of my own self do nothing - as I hear I judge, and my judgement is just, because I seek not my will, but the will of thy Father, who has sent me’.
Yes we do really waiting for Jesus 2nd coming to testify Christians that he is not god and he is a messenger. I can give you Quote from your bible it self.
Matthew 7:21-23 (King James Version)
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Dear Brother, you misunderstood your religion. it is church that misguide you always.My advise you to go back to your scripture (bible) and clarify yourself.Thanks. 
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