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සොතාපත්ති ඵල සූත්රය
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In my opinion, "reflect" is one of the most misunderstood terms in Buddhism. In this context, it doesn't mean trying to interpret your current experience using the Dhamma (or the Thrilakshana). As you've probably gathered from these talks, doing that doesn't make sense at all because our subjective experiences are inherently flawed anyway.
Instead, "reflecting" means fundamentally shifting your perspective (or perception rather). The experience may be the trigger in this case, but it’s not about analyzing the specific experience you're having, but rather training your mind to see the underlying nature of experience itself through the Dhamma. One of the most bizarre things here is that you come to realise this way of reflection through the dhamma it self...
I'm definitely struggling to put this into words, can you tell?It's a tough concept to put into words!
ok putting all together:
wrong path: you have the sense of satisfaction with moments when a piece of understanding clicks BUT even they initially it seems make sense when reflecting (training your mind to see underliying nature of experience) they create more questions and inconsistencies.
is this correct what you say?
ok, bit confused now.
lets say you dont have prior knowledge (from pitaka and stuff) and go to a teacher who teaches wrong damma (you dont know, coz you dont have prior knowledge)
now as you said, you feel satisfaction when you understand new things that he teaches you. now according to his teaching there is no training on underlying experience and you dont know anything about that kind of training from your prior knowledge either. now what? how would you get out from it? how do you even know that you are missing that kind of training?
Don’t be, its simpler than you think
This was me in the past, literally.
The short answers are:
- you can’t get out of it.
- you won’t know what’s missing.
If you remember at the very beginning of our discussion, my issue wasn’t about validation or making sure if I am following the right path. It was about the questions on this existence. So, If I am getting satisfactory answers to those questions by following this path, why do I need to get out of it? And, why do I need to worry about what I “might be” missing if can’t think of anything that is missing at this moment?
At the end of the day, its not about teacher is right or wrong, its about getting satisfactory answers to my questions... I seek liberation, not validation.
ඇයි සිද්ධාර්ත කතා වල කියනව නේද, මුලින් අනුගමනය කරපු ඵක ඵක teaching/path/ experience eka exercise කරාට ඵ ඔක්කොගෙන්ම ඵක තාවකාලිකසහනයක් විතරයි ලැබුනේ කියල suffering ඵකට.
භාවනා කරන කොට, සිතට පීුතියක් ලැබුනත්, ඵකෙන් මිදුනාම හරි ඵක මැග හැරැනාම, ආයේ හිතේ වෙදනා, සංකා, suffering feel ඇතිවුනාලු, ඉතින් මෙක හරියන්නේ නෑ, මම හොයන්නේ හැම වේලේටම වලංගු සිතේ නිවිමක් කියල ඇතැර දාල එක ඵක path follow කරාලු
මේකම නම් හේතුව...ආලාරකලාම ලගට ආපු අනිත් අයටත්...සමාදියෙන් එලියට ආවම දුක දැනුනනෙ...එයාල ඒ පාර ඇතැරියෙ නැත්තෙ අයි?
I don't know, may be that's enough for them to diminish or pass the suffering for sometimes/extended period of time.
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මේක හොඳ ප්රශ්නයක්, සමහර විට ඒ අය හිතුවද දන්නෙ නැහැ මේ තමයි යන්න පුළුවන් උපරිම කියල. එක්කො ලැබෙන දෙයින් සෑහීමකට පත්වුනාද දන්නෙත් නැහැ. පුද්ගල නානත්වය අනුව මේක වෙනස් වෙනව IMHO
man ahala tiyenne egollo niramanakaya,ipadena tana,kaya egolonta choose karanna puluwan.so duka kiyana eke terumak egolonta penne ne.marenna lan weddi body eka atha arala kemathi widiyata tawa ekakata yanawa,oya Mahavatar Babaji ehema inne ehemalu
you can pretty much be on the wrong path (something buddha never said) and you woudnt even know it.. cant you?
plus, you cant even get out of it
this is exactly what alarakalama followers had too. they were looking for satisfactory answers and liberation. they got satisfactory answers to their questions and liberation too from that path. but nowhere near true nirvana that buddha showed.
they go to arupa, dont they? so no kaya?
------ Post added on Aug 29, 2026 at 9:19 AM
from what i understand/read: nobody settles on something if they knew there would be higher liberation out there. They thought this is the highest possible liberation one can achieve - going to arupa loka which is extremely long and they had no idea it was still limited.
------ Post added on Aug 29, 2026 at 9:23 AM
they can manufacture a gross body at will a younger body ,as i heard of. so they see no point of dukka.
ඇයි සුද්ධාවාස වල ඉන්න කල්ප දහස් ගණන් ආයුෂ තියෙන භ්රහ්මයන්ට බුද්ධ ශූන්ය කාලවල ධර්මය දේශනා කරන්න බැරි?
සනන්කුමාර මහා භ්රහ්මයා තව්තිසාවේ ධර්මය දේශනා කරනවා කියලා අහලා තියෙනවා.
thats for rupa loka. arupa loka bhramas cant afaik
බුද්ද ශුන්ය කාලවල...දර්මය කිව්වත්..කාටවත් මාර්ග පල වලට යන්න හැකියාවක් නැ කියල අහල තියෙනව...
------ Post added on Aug 29, 2026 at 10:26 AM
Precisely, and that is a fact. Its pure luck (vipaka) that you are in the correct path and nobody else other than yourself and the load Buddha himself can verify this. Most people are in the wrong path IMHO.
Yes, that is also true, as I said, its pure luck. If බෝසතානන් වහන්සේ satisfied with that and stopped his search, we wouldn't have a load Buddha.
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