Linux(SUSE 10.2) beats VISTA

[dineitdark]

haha then why all the other things need patents and LG claims no one can make a door cooling refrigerator for another 15 years hehe. No one talk about that but only for software. Sharing source is okay coz you just sharing the technology but still the creator should have the right to decide to reveal his secrets or not.


If you in to linux, php open source that much tell me why most of those top scripts comes with ionCube or Zend encoded? And why Cpanel also?

yes i get your point... its like the p2p file sharing issue... the thing is... well lets say that i found something called 'A' (which can vanish MS from this earth ).. how can i be sure that i am the first one who did find it...? i mean i just did it... someone might have it before but he or she might have just not used it may be...

no matter what you do... people will do piracy.. they'll get the code... its human nature!!! hehe... so i think people show be doing inventing and making money out of that.. rather than patenting stuff...

patents and copyrights slow down innovation!!! its bad!!!

and for tha zend coded thing.. hehe take a look at these results.. people can decode those scripts!!! http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=decoding+zend+encoded&btnG=Search

so its like that... the nature

 

[gayannr]

And?

and do you know that 80% of the webservers al around the world are powered by Apache

 

[GTRZ]

well yeah.. there is a issue there... but i guess people have and is finding alternative strategies.... to make money.. you know... redhat...and stuff...

hey what about that SL comp.... WSO2! hehe they develop FOSS and they give it for free and they earn from providing service... those guys are pulling a lot of money!!!

Ya so as you said redhat and stuff mean its paid software same like MS strategy.

About services you told, Ya i also know few guys doing those kinda stuff. They just go to companys and impress them saying this is open source and this is free etc.. and make them move to Linux. After that boss and staff even don't know how to manage a simple stuff. Then they call the company and they charge as they want and earn big money coz boss and staff all screwed up with linux hehe.
They get a permanent customer who can't leave them.
After that they write payroll softwares and all other stuff telling their own prices and they like owned that company. haha

 

[dineitdark]

linux advocates.....
how depressing..!

who's advocate are you???

 

[dineitdark]

linux advocates.....
how depressing..!

hmmmm who's advocate are you?

 

[kudalla]

and do you know that 80% of the webservers al around the world are powered by Apache

Elakirith Apache ne,,,, he he...

 

[GTRZ]

yes i get your point... its like the p2p file sharing issue... the thing is... well lets say that i found something called 'A' (which can vanish MS from this earth ).. how can i be sure that i am the first one who did find it...? i mean i just did it... someone might have it before but he or she might have just not used it may be...

no matter what you do... people will do piracy.. they'll get the code... its human nature!!! hehe... so i think people show be doing inventing and making money out of that.. rather than patenting stuff...

patents and copyrights slow down innovation!!! its bad!!!

and for tha zend coded thing.. hehe take a look at these results.. people can decode those scripts!!! http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=decoding+zend+encoded&btnG=Search

so its like that... the nature

hehe so you also agree now there should be balance between open source and closed source. Free software and Paid software.

About zend decoding, you never got my point. What i tried to say was people who on free open source software seen too want to keep thier privacy AKA closed source.
About Zend well that’s old zend i haven't seen any decoder for the new. Anyway it will be an endless battle.

 

[GTRZ]

and do you know that 80% of the webservers al around the world are powered by Apache

well nope 58.7% on Apache and 31% on Microsoft

 

[dineitdark]

Ya so as you said redhat and stuff mean its paid software same like MS strategy.

About services you told, Ya i also know few guys doing those kinda stuff. They just go to companys and impress them saying this is open source and this is free etc.. and make them move to Linux. After that boss and staff even don't know how to manage a simple stuff. Then they call the company and they charge as they want and earn big money coz boss and staff all screwed up with linux hehe.
They get a permanent customer who can't leave them.
After that they write payroll softwares and all other stuff telling their own prices and they like owned that company. haha

no!!! ms's strategy is different! they have licensing... and stuff we can never own MS made software.. we can just rent em.... but its not like that with RH.. you can buy a copy and copy it to 100000000000000000 CDs and give it to any one you like.. its legal!!! but if you do that to some MS software then its software piracy! and you are a pirate for doing that!!! ehhe....

RH's strategy is to charge for the services... and they are not evil as you think...

man! do you really have people like that??? hehe we srilankans never grow up! well i was not talking about those type of people!!! WSO2 make software that is in apache... and they do make middleware... they are global... they were even in TV ART and ETV.. the rezone for been in TV was that they were earning so much profits!!! the guy who is the head in that is a famous guy(search for sanjeewa sl open source sri lanka)... the company is a SL one...

 

[dineitdark]

hehe so you also agree now there should be balance between open source and closed source. Free software and Paid software.

About zend decoding, you never got my point. What i tried to say was people who on free open source software seen too want to keep thier privacy AKA closed source.
About Zend well that’s old zend i haven't seen any decoder for the new. Anyway it will be an endless battle.

well its like this.. if the whole world was smart they would all use open source hehe lol as the world is not fully smart it not like that... i guess you can treat that as a joke

yeah i missed your point! sorry about that.. yeah i know most of the people just cant figure out how to make money from open source. but lots of people are making money still been open source! so i guess we'll have to invent ways to keep the cash flowing in while been open... i don't know... the closed source model is very easy to understand and we are used to it... so thats why lots people believe in that... still

about zend.. well i started php before three four weeks ago... hehe lolz i know that zend was invented by two farther figures of PHP and thats all...

 

[GTRZ]

well the truth as i understand it is this... nor linux or windwos are secure out of the box... it is upto the admin to do the hardening...

but the interesting this is that... when it comes to windows... there is a limit for the admin... he can't patch code... he can't remove parts of the code... he can't compile the code with custom options in the compiler to increase security.. he can't make his own hacks to his server's code base.... and the list goes on...

but when it is open source... you can do all of the above... the admin have far more power in linux than in windows, why? cause linux is open and windows is not.

when a bug is discovered for windows... you have to wait for a fix from MS, which takes a lot of time and stuff.. simply ur so depended on them! but when u are using linux its not like that... even if redhat vanished today u can still run a nice redhat server... still patching it... still updating it... cause the code is there for you.

so my point is when it comes to security and everything else... windows is much limited and linux is unlimited and it can be unleashed as your hart wishes!!!

yeah linux has far more superior customization due to open source nature. But still windows can be customized to most tasks and security issues too. May be from the OS or from 3rd party software or tweaking stuff. And i haven't seen Redhat officially releasing patches faster than MS too.


But the point is we should look from more large extend everybody don’t have high end tech skills and knowledge to customize the code depending on the network and apply patches for it. In my opinion we need more like complete solution that expecting the end user to work for it too. Future is mostly giving complete solutions other than expecting lot from the end user too.

 

[GTRZ]

Elakirith Apache ne,,,, he he...

ya so what i know is PHP and i dont have money from a win 2k3 server and learn ASP.net

Anyway for now ASP.net is superior than PHP. Anyway it will be an endless battle too.

 

[GTRZ]

He he, as U said there are some + & - points in both windows & linux. There are no 100% perfect things in this world. As I think windows and linux target 2 different groups. Windows targets beginners & PC users while Linux targets Advanced and Server Users....

Well there is nothing like they target different groups. Both Windows and Linux try to attract from novice to most advanced power users.

 

[Kasunm]

apo 10 weni pituwata enakam kiyewwa mata dan hathi mama yanawa he he he btw you guys argued over nothing

 

[kudalla]

ya so what i know is PHP and i dont have money from a win 2k3 server and learn ASP.net

Anyway for now ASP.net is superior than PHP. Anyway it will be an endless battle too.

Eken kamak na, But keep the Elakiri as it is. (With PHP)

 

[dineitdark]

yeah linux has far more superior customization due to open source nature. But still windows can be customized to most tasks and security issues too. May be from the OS or from 3rd party software or tweaking stuff. And i haven't seen Redhat officially releasing patches faster than MS too.

But the point is we should look from more large extend everybody don’t have high end tech skills and knowledge to customize the code depending on the network and apply patches for it. In my opinion we need more like complete solution that expecting the end user to work for it too. Future is mostly giving complete solutions other than expecting lot from the end user too.

yes but you know that windows can never be customized as much as linux? well i don't know much about RH... and i was not saying that RH will offer quick updates... RH is a company as well so its limited... but what i was tiring to say was that... when a bug comes out in lets say FF... the FF project's members release a bug fix, a temporary one with in hours! isn't that cool???

now if you have subscribed to some security mailing list such as... bugtrack(security focus....).. you will see that people in the list put bug fixes for open source SW very quickly after some exploit comes out. thats possible because all the people have access to the source code. you can't imagine something like that in windows!

well the truth is that there are no complete solutions!!! if someone tells you that they have one they are lieng! thats what MS has been doing for these years...

and i don't think that MS is offering a complete solution either... even if u have a win server, u'll have to setup a firewall, you'll have to setup a IDS... etc etc... i mean its just a part of sys administration....

well i know that some distros tend to be somewhat 'incomplete'... but there are good ones emerging... try some different distros... you'll find a cool one... most of those distros that are backed by commercial support are complete systems.... like they have done a grate deal of work for you.... and i think they genaraly do it better than MS...

and if you are talking about the future... well when linux first came out as a baby... and when there was so little GNU feelings around... there were so many giant MS like corporations who made server OSs... and they all lost there market share.... and linux gained! and it is still gaining..... in a unbelievable speed. just look around you... everything has changed... i mean most of em have...

just look at google, yahoo... they have enough cash! but they use open source! why? cause they know they are better off with open source rather than anyother

 

[dineitdark]

ya so what i know is PHP and i dont have money from a win 2k3 server and learn ASP.net

Anyway for now ASP.net is superior than PHP. Anyway it will be an endless battle too.

well, i think that ASP is a good choice if you are using IIS as your web server... or else hehe there are more than enough better stuff out there!

php is easy, fast and ok... so its the genaral choice.. but if you are a expert i guess u are better off with something like perl or C!!! which are really really fast... hehe...

and again... google is using ajax, java, phython... all of em are open source... asp is... hmmm... like.... GW Bush

 

[dineitdark]

Well there is nothing like they target different groups. Both Windows and Linux try to attract from novice to most advanced power users.

the thing is windows is a MS's product and it tries to attract people in to it cause then they can gain more profits... but when u take linux.. its not a single company or anything like that... its a community of people and companies.. so it targets whatever the community or the companies want... and thats why linux is everywhere... if you want it to be in some place it will be there.... etc.. it in ur PC, its in ur Router.. its in ur phone!, its in ur ipod, its in NASA, its in space, its in PS3s, its in all most anywhere you want it to be! hehe... linux is ultra portable...

 

[gayannr]

What is the final result.FOSS or MS.lets hv a poll ne isnt it GTRZ

 

[gayannr]

ya so what i know is PHP and i dont have money from a win 2k3 server and learn ASP.net

Anyway for now ASP.net is superior than PHP. Anyway it will be an endless battle too.

so y dont u think dat foss is most suitable for countries like us(3rd world countries.u'll definetly Accept dat)