POLYGAMY IN ISLAM

[madurax86]

ok let me get this straight k... its like this ryt
the count of men can be equal, less, or more than women [im talking about only the people who are going to marry at a given time]
soo, if men_count=women_count then u can marry one man to one woman n happily dey will live after;
else if men_count<women_count then one man marries 1 or more women
else if men_count>women_count then one women marries 1 or more men
dats wht u say right?

but i have this lil question who does the counting??? n tells people that the society dey live in is in one of those 3 events?? without knowing that how are you people gona decide what to do? or more over will the answer u've given to the question make the question more destructive?? i mean if the wealthy,strong man get all da chiks whts left for da normal man?? human rights violation dude !! major one

 

[Eranda200]

NO PERSONAL NO HARD FEELINGS ….. OPEN PLACE TO OPEN DISCUSSION GOT IT ???? KIDZ AND FELLOWZ AFRAID OF TRUTH KEEP AWAY …. I HOPE YOU GOT IT

SECOND THING IS

science is prohibited 2 question their lives...

BULLSHIT !!!!!! MUSLIMS ARE THE PIONEERS OF MODERN SCIENCE ...... YOU UNDERSTAND

r u crackpot m8 coz ur argument seems so lyk u r unconscious of modern life
1st f all m8 try 2 stick 2 English coz i dont understand where u r gettin at most f the time. who r u callin kids afraid f truth? wot truth r u talkin abt??

now m8 if science was ever allowed 2 enter religions (im nt jst talkin abt Islam ther r whole lot f religions lyk this) i gez impressions such as kitchen for women n 'goog lyf' 4 men wouldnt exist in d world 2day. hehe men know as much as women that both genders are capable of completing most task as skillfully as each other...

i really have doubts when u say that Muslims are the "Pioneers of Modern Science" coz it raises alot of controversy. From what I know I call people like Sir Isaac Newton or Einstein as real masters of modern science. Howevr no1 really fit to ur description coz none of the features of science that we benefit today AINT a job of 1 man. it was gradual development of ideas of several men. So if u r draggin such a label 2 a religion that should be drifted towards Christians coz mostly Yankees n Europeans made real changes in the field of science.

and yes m8 i understand what u r saying... but i dont think that u do.

I hope my words wouldnt raise controversy in EK among muslims n non-muslims i just had 2 express my argument.

 

[saharaz]

ok let me get this straight k... its like this ryt
the count of men can be equal, less, or more than women [im talking about only the people who are going to marry at a given time]
soo, if men_count=women_count then u can marry one man to one woman n happily dey will live after;
else if men_count<women_count then one man marries 1 or more women
else if men_count>women_count then one women marries 1 or more men
dats wht u say right?

but i have this lil question who does the counting??? n tells people that the society dey live in is in one of those 3 events?? without knowing that how are you people gona decide what to do? or more over will the answer u've given to the question make the question more destructive?? i mean if the wealthy,strong man get all da chiks whts left for da normal man?? human rights violation dude !! major one

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY ANYWAY THANX FOR YOUR COMMENTS. IF YOU CAN PLEASE MAKE YOUR STATEMENTS MORE CLEAR

 

[madurax86]

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY ANYWAY THANX FOR YOUR COMMENTS. IF YOU CAN PLEASE MAKE YOUR STATEMENTS MORE CLEAR

u cant understand?
well unless you're getting away from the questions i raised i'll ask them again
1. How does the people who marry more than one know that there is more of the gender that he/she is marring?
[for women to marry more than one man there should be more men than women[as you say] so who does/did the counting now/then??]
2. Doesnt this new marring concept make the wealthy man get all da chiks he needs ?? n let other men have no gal to marry at all?
3. Can someone truly love several people at the same time?
4. TURN OFF DA CAPS LOCK MAN

 

[Wal Bada]

THIS IS A USEFUL INFO AFTER LONG TIME THANX... FIRSTLY I DIDN'T SAY THAT MUSLIMS ARE PIONEERS OF SCIENCE I SAID MUSLIMS ARE PIONEERS OF MODERN SCIENCE.......

Ha Ha! Relativity is not modern science? This is getting in to a laughing stock proportions.

 

[Wal Bada]

OHH MY GODD.... WALBADOO PLEASE STOP YOUR PLAY I ALREADY DISCUSSED ABOUT ALL THESE FACT YOU ARE LATE ... IF YOU ARE INTERESTED YOU CAN CHECK THE PREVIOUSE REPLYS ALL THE ANSWERS ARE AVAILABLE THERE FOR ALL YOUR QUESTIONS

You are a sore loser. I have proved beyond doubt that you are the one to bring up stats first. Now you've been made to keep your tail between legs as a filthy dog.

AND TURN OFF THAT CAPS LOCK AS WELL.

 

[uhox]

Why are you providing a breakdown of gay people in the US, when I already showed you that the number of females is only higher in the older generations due to their longer life span? When I say older, I am referring to women who are 60 or above.

The figures on homosexuality are irrelevent at this point, because where younger women are concerned there are plenty of fish in the sea. The avergae first marriage age in US for women is 25.1 years while it is 26.7 for men.(http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/fertility/slideshow/table01.csv and http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/fertility/mar-fert-slides.html)

The fact that there are more men in the age group of 25-29 in the US, than women clearly refutes the ealier argument you presented to me on their being too many women, and too few men, thus allowing for polygamy. In fact it is only men between 25-29 years of age in the US who should worry about finding a partner. Again, your figures on homsexuality are utterly irrelevent here. Can you tell me why you are still harping on it? Are you in denial of your failure?

Also, the female:male ratio may differ from country to country, but refer back to wal_bada's post, in which he has given the overall ratio proving that there are more men in this world than women.

You've lost both arguments, please accept that and move on.

good point

 

[uhox]

Ha Ha! Relativity is not modern science? This is getting in to a laughing stock proportions.

Modern science!!!!!!

Isak Niwton Muslim da?
charles darwin Muslim da?
Albert Einstain Muslim da?
Sigmund freud Muslim da?

( Einstain and freud were jews- )

 

[sri_lion]

BULLSHIT !!!!!! MUSLIMS ARE THE PIONEERS OF MODERN SCIENCE ...... YOU UNDERSTAND

LAMO!!!!

 

[sri_lion]

if you want to know more deeply click below

http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109103

Dude.. you've got a lot of arrears to catch up...

Dont runaway from the issue.. when people ask you questions you runaway and put up a another thread...

If I were you... I'd call for divine intervention to get out of this mess!!! SERIOUSLY!!!

 

[saharaz]

BULLSHIT !!!!!! MUSLIMS ARE THE PIONEERS OF MODERN SCIENCE ...... YOU UNDERSTAND
​

Rosanna Gorini writes:

"According to the majority of the historians al-Haytham was the pioneer of the modern scientific method. With his book he changed the meaning of the term optics and established experiments as the norm of proof in the field. His investigations are based not on abstract theories, but on experimental evidences and his experiments were systematic and repeatable."[31]

Due to the development of the modern scientific method, Robert Briffault wrote in The Making of Humanity:

"What we call science arose as a result of new methods of experiment, observation, and measurement, which were introduced into Europe by the Arabs. [...] Science is the most momentous contribution of Arab civilization to the modern world, but its fruits were slow in ripening. [...] The debt of our science to that of the Arabs does not consist in startling discoveries or revolutionary theories; science owes a great deal more to Arab culture, it owes its existence....The ancient world was, as we saw, pre-scientific. [...] The Greeks systematized, generalized and theorized, but the patient ways of investigations, the accumulation of positive knowledge, the minute methods of science, detailed and prolonged observation and experimental inquiry were altogether alien to the Greek temperament."[28]

Will Durant wrote in The Story of Civilization IV: The Age of Faith:

"Chemistry as a science was almost created by the Moslems; for in this field, where the Greeks (so far as we know) were confined to industrial experience and vague hypothesis, the Saracens introduced precise observation, controlled experiment, and careful records. They invented and named the alembic (al-anbiq), chemically analyzed innumerable substances, composed lapidaries, distinguished alkalis and acids, investigated their affinities, studied and manufactured hundreds of drugs. Alchemy, which the Moslems inherited from Egypt, contributed to chemistry by a thousand incidental discoveries, and by its method, which was the most scientific of all medieval operations."[4]

J. J. O'Conner and E. F. Robertson wrote in the MacTutor History of Mathematics archive:

"Recent research paints a new picture of the debt that we owe to Islamic mathematics. Certainly many of the ideas which were previously thought to have been brilliant new conceptions due to European mathematicians of the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries are now known to have been developed by Arabic/Islamic mathematicians around four centuries earlier. In many respects, the mathematics studied today is far closer in style to that of Islamic mathematics than to that of Greek mathematics."

Fielding H. Garrison wrote in the History of Medicine:

"The Saracens themselves were the originators not only of algebra, chemistry, and geology, but of many of the so-called improvements or refinements of civilization, such as street lamps, window-panes, firework, stringed instruments, cultivated fruits, perfumes, spices, etc..."[13]

Muhammad Iqbal wrote inThe Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam:

"Thus the experimental method, reason and observation introduced by the Arabs were responsible for the rapid advancement of science during the medieval times."[14]

R. Rashed wrote in The development of Arabic mathematics: between arithmetic and algebra:

"Al-Khwarizmi's successors undertook a systematic application of arithmetic to algebra, algebra to arithmetic, both to trigonometry, algebra to the Euclidean theory of numbers, algebra to geometry, and geometry to algebra. This was how the creation of polynomial algebra, combinatorial analysis, numerical analysis, the numerical solution of equations, the new elementary theory of numbers, and the geometric construction of equations arose."

 

[saharaz]

Robert Briffault wrote in The Making of Humanity:

"Chemistry, the rudiments of which arose in the processes employed by Egyptian metallurgists and jewellers combining metals into various alloys and 'tinting' them to resemble gold processes long preserved as a secret monopoly of the priestly colleges, and clad in the usual mystic formulas, developed in the hands of the Arabs into a widespread, organized passion for research which led them to the invention of distillation, sublimation, filtration, to the discovery of alcohol, of nitric and sulphuric acids (the only acid known to the ancients was vinegar), of the alkalis, of the salts of mercury, of antimony and bismuth, and laid the basis of all subsequent chemistry and physical research."[5]

Robert Briffault wrote in The Making of Humanity:

"The debt of our science to that of the Arabs does not consist in startling discoveries or revolutionary theories; science owes a great deal more to Arab culture, it owes its existence. The ancient world was, as we saw, pre- scientific. The astronomy and mathematics of the Greeks were a foreign importation never thoroughly acclimatized in Greek culture. The Greeks systematized, generalized and theorized, but the patient ways of investigation, the accumulation of positive knowledge, the minute methods of science, detailed and prolonged observation, experimental inquiry, were altogether alien to the Greek temperament. [...] What we call science arose in Europe as a result of a new spirit of inquiry, of new methods of investigation, of the method of experiment, observation, measurement, of the development of mathematics in a form unknown to the Greeks. That spirit and those methods were introduced into the European world by the Arabs."[9]
Science is the most momentous contribution of Arab civilization to the modern world, but its fruits were slow in ripening. Not until long after Moorish culture had sunk back into darkness did the giant to which it had given birth, rise in his might. It was not science only which brought Europe back to life. Other and manifold influences from the civilization of Islam communicated its first glow to European life."[82]

George Sarton wrote in the Introduction to the History of Science:

"The main, as well as the least obvious, achievement of the Middle Ages was the creation of the experimental spirit and this was primarily due to the Muslims down to the 12th century."[83]

Oliver Joseph Lodge wrote in the Pioneers of Science:

"The only effective link between the old and the new science is afforded by the Arabs. The dark ages come as an utter gap in the scientific history of Europe, and for more than a thousand years there was not a scientific man of note except in Arabia."[84]

It is known that the Copernican heliocentric model in Nicolaus Copernicus' De revolutionibus was adapted from the geocentric model of Ibn al-Shatir and the Maragha school (including the Tusi-couple) in a heliocentric context,[29] and that his arguments for the Earth's rotation were similar to those of Nasīr al-Dīn al-Tūsī and Ali al-Qushji.[27]

Pulmonary circulation was first discovered and published by Ibn Nafis in his Commentary on Anatomy in Avicenna's Canon (1242), for which he is considered the father of circulatory physiology.[1] It was later published by Michael Servetus in Christianismi Restitutio (1553). Since it was a theology work condemned by most of the Christian factions of his time, the discovery remained mostly unknown until the dissections of William Harvey in 1616.
Ibn Tufail's Hayy ibn Yaqdhan was translated into Latin by Edward Pococke in 1671 and into English by Simon Ockley in 1708 and became "one of the most important books that heralded the Scientific Revolution."[
Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), considered a father of sociology and the social sciences, made significant contributions to social psychology in his Muqaddimah (Prolegomena).
Father of modern medicine is Avicenna he him self a Muslim
The Guinness Book of World Records recognizes the University of Al Karaouine in Fez, Morocco as the oldest university in the world with its founding in 859

if you want to know more i will full this thread with science and islam ​

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_the_modern_Islamic_world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_the_Muslim_world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_the_Islamic_world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_medieval_Islam

 

[saharaz]

The First Human To Fly Was A Muslim

How many of us know that the first flight by a human being, the first manned Rocket flight and the first recorded Parachute jump were accomplished by Muslims?

265 years before the Wright Brothers flew, a Turkic Muslim by the name Hezarfen Ahmat Celebi made a successful flight of almost 1.5 Km and became the first ever human being to fly on his own.

This amazing and important piece of information has been totally blacked out in history. Last year (2004) was celebrated as the centenary year of man's flight, but not a single word was spoken about this foremost aviation achievement, let alone the false claim of the Wright brothers' flight being the man's first ever flight.


Man First Flew Successfully In 1638; Not In 1903

Hezarfen Ahmet Celebi (1609-1640) was a Turkish scientist, who lived during the reign of Ottoman Sultan Murat IV and incurably interested in aviation. He had been experimenting with glider flights for sometimes. (Gliders are aerodynamic wings attached to a frame to which the pilot clings onto. In practice gliders are engineless airplanes. Large gliders with fuselages as large the ones in conventional aircraft were used during World War II to land airborne troops). He kept his faith in man's ability to fly and tried several designs of wings. Despite peoples' ridicules, he kept his attempts alive. One day in the year 1638, in front of the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire Murat IV and a huge crowd of onlookers, he succeeded in flying. He flew from the gigantic Galata Tower in one shore of the Bosphorous straight (On the European of Istanbul) to the other shore on the other side of Istanbul, the distance being 1.5 Km. He had a successful landing, which makes it to be the first-ever controlled, sustained and successful flight by a human being.

The famous Turkish traveller and historian of the time, Evliya Celebi, in his book Seyahatname (A book of travel) recorded this extraordinary feat. He was an eyewitness to the event. Recordings of this achievement abound in Turkish chronicles and folklores, but precious little to be found in the Western world. This ill treatment or Blackout of a major historical fact is more in line with the West's preoccupation with belittling and denying Muslims' huge contributions towards the advancement of human civilisation. Still history is being written and read, hailing the Wright brothers' flight in 1903 as the "first flight by the mankind". In fact the Wright brother's flight was a historic achievement - no doubt about that. But unfortunately it was not the first flight by Man. Rather it should be categorized as the "First Mechanised Flight" by man. Any way it should be noted that this flight by the Wright brothers opened the way for the mass aviation we experience today.

Sultan Murad, being impressed by this accomplishment, gave Hezarfen a reward of 1000 gold coins befitting the adventurer's name. The word Hezarfen means the "Expert in 1000 sciences" in Turkish. But the consequences of the adventure to the adventurer are not that rosy. It is believed that, upon listening to ill advice from envious sources, the Sultan exiled this rare and triumphant scientist to far off Algeria. To honour the first aviator in human history and one of her proud son, Turkey has published a few stamps on suitable occasions. But only a minor airport has been named after him, whereas the main airport has been named after the more earthly Mustapha Kamal "Ataturk". May be the misty West looking eyes of the secular Turkish administration found Hezarfen Ahmet Celebi not secular enough.


Previous Attempts By Muslim Adventurers In Flying

In 875, A Muslim scientist from the then Muslim Spain. Abbas Ibnu Firnaz, flew from a mountain with a glider, which he innovated through various studies and several attempts. He invited the people of Cordoba to witness his attempt. By all accounts, he succeeded in flying through some distance, but he didn't make a soft landing. He broke his back, the injury which was to hurt him throughout his life. Due to this injury he couldn't correct the failure, which he blamed his oversight in designing the tail. He was a brilliant scientist who produced glass from sand, devised a chain of rings to simulate the motions of celestial bodies and invented a clock. He died in 888 reportedly of his back injury.

23 years before him, another Spanish Muslim scientist, Armen Firmann tried to fly from a tower in Cordoba with wing shaped cloaks attached to his garments. He survived with minor injuries thanks to the air trapped in his "wings". But ultimately he qualifies to be the first human to use "Parachutes".


First Manned Rocket Flight Was Achieved By A Muslim As Well

A friend of Hezarfen Ahmet Celebi, by the name Lagari Hasan Celebi is the first man to fly on a Rocket. This information may seem amazing, but it is true.

May be with a desire to equalize his friend's astounding act or just as another adventure, Lagari Hasan Celebi made a conical shaped cage and filled it with gun powder. On the day of the wedding of Sultan Murat IV's daughter, he climbed into the cone and fired, before an astonished crowd of spectators. He reportedly flew a few hundred feet and fell into the sea (The Bosphorous Straight). But rather strangely he also met the same fate as that of his friend. He may have been rewarded handsomely, but was exiled to Algeria, probably alleged with suspicions over witchcraft.


especially the muslims aren't aware of it at all. This is due to pure arrogance towards the Islamic History. ​

 

[saharaz]

Dude.. you've got a lot of arrears to catch up...

Dont runaway from the issue.. when people ask you questions you runaway and put up a another thread...

If I were you... I'd call for divine intervention to get out of this mess!!! SERIOUSLY!!!

DON'T WORRY PAL ........

I DON'T NEED ANOTHER DIVINE INTERVENTION COZ I AREADY HAVE THEY ARE :

1 - THE GLORIUOS AL QURAN ( THE WORD OF ALLAH ALMIGHTY)

2 - AL SUNNAH / AL HADEETH ( ACTIONS , WORDS AND THE APPROVALS OF MY BELOVED PROPHET )

3 - MY MIND / MY KNOWLEDGE ​

 

[sirajstc]

DON'T WORRY PAL ........

I DON'T NEED ANOTHER DIVINE INTERVENTION COZ I AREADY HAVE THEY ARE :

1 - THE GLORIUOS AL QURAN ( THE WORD OF ALLAH ALMIGHTY)

2 - AL SUNNAH / AL HADEETH ( ACTIONS , WORDS AND THE APPROVALS OF MY BELOVED PROPHET )

3 - MY MIND / MY KNOWLEDGE ​

 

[booleanB]

DON'T WORRY PAL ........

I DON'T NEED ANOTHER DIVINE INTERVENTION COZ I AREADY HAVE THEY ARE :

1 - THE GLORIUOS AL QURAN ( THE WORD OF ALLAH ALMIGHTY)

2 - AL SUNNAH / AL HADEETH ( ACTIONS , WORDS AND THE APPROVALS OF MY BELOVED PROPHET )

3 - MY MIND / MY KNOWLEDGE ​

oh ho

 

[booleanB]

I think you are correct

 

[aye_sha90]

A reflection on the meanings of the poligamiy regarding of the various social context in which the Muslims live is particularly necessary. It represent the more known Muslim norm, outside of the Umma, and which provokes more abashment in the western women (the men seem more loyal in comprising…), bcoz it comes immediately interpreted as sign of discrimination in the comparisons of the feminine being. ancient cultures, which are based on men, who got the control over evrything.
Made it as a right, which is writtn on that holy Koran. We must interrogate ourselves on the opportunity nd this unfair right these men get.


You always try to find excuses and to justify all yur cruelty!

 

[madurax86]

A reflection on the meanings of the poligamiy regarding of the various social context in which the Muslims live is particularly necessary. It represent the more known Muslim norm, outside of the Umma, and which provokes more abashment in the western women (the men seem more loyal in comprising…), bcoz it comes immediately interpreted as sign of discrimination in the comparisons of the feminine being. ancient cultures, which are based on men, who got the control over evrything.
Made it as a right, which is writtn on that holy Koran. We must interrogate ourselves on the opportunity nd this unfair right these men get.


You always try to find excuses and to justify all yur cruelty!

Cruelty is the right word.

 

[aye_sha90]

Cruelty is the right word.