Renault KWID 2016 (Official Thread)

[Hyaenidae]

you guys dont understand what I'm saying.

1. Having ABS can sure minimize the damage

2. vehicles with ABS gets in accidents because you cant prevent accidental situations

1. car comes down the road

2. another vehicles comes in front with average speed

with- ABS:

hits the breaks - high probability that the vehicle stops before the impact

without- ABS

hits breaks - drags and stops the vehicle, low probability to stop it before the impact


some accidents are avoidable, some are not. I like to take my chances.

At last... so it seems finally you understood ABS is about avoiding accidents, not "minimize the damage" bullcrap. ABS helps driver to avoid accidents with 0 damage. Airbags, collapsible steering columns, pretensioners, crumple zones etc. are designed to minimize the damage.

I don't question your liking to take risks and chance your life, I spend my time here hoping some innocent soul reading this thread hoping to buy a KWID as his family vehicle will think twice about his choice after reading this conversation. It's not like there aren't safe and reliable cars to buy spending the same amount one pays for a KWID.

Car buyers, think of driving unsafe cars as riding a bike without wearing a helmet. The KWID which comes with an air bag FAILED the crash test because its structural integrity of the body shell is too fragile - the body shell itself doesn't stay stable in a crash. It will wrap around your body and cause mortal injuries.

Minimize the risk as far as you can. Go for the most safe car you can afford. A well maintained Japanese car is far more reliable than a B/N Indian car.

 

[phetti222]

There is no doubt that ABS + EBD together with ESP gives any vehicle the greatest stability. But then, why did I settle for a basic with only driver side airbag?

Here are the reasons:

(1) It's a Renault.

(2) I can't take on board the thought of buying a second-hand car. I have never bought a second-hand car in my life.

(3) Right now is not the time to buy cars. The prices are bloated by unjustifiable Government taxes. Prices may come down after two years, or latest before next elections. In that scenario, I have limited my budget to Rs. 23 lakhs. So, this car nicely fits into that slot.

(4) Even though it's a entry level car, it hasn't got the hackneyed style of other cars of that segment. It offers also some features which others in the segment don't do. Its boot space (without folding the back seats) is huge - Ideal for my purposes. It's quite possible that if this car wasn't on offer, I wouldn't have bought a car at this moment (The next consideration would have been the KIA Picanto, but it's beyond my budget).

(5) The car has a high ground clearance - a must under Sri Lankan road conditions. Isn't it annoying that many lanes in urban areas have speed bumps every 100 metres or so?

(6) This car is a "citadine " (city car). So, I won't be using it to go on trips around the island. Instead, I intend to use it for my little errands. I don't think my total mileage would exceed 400 km per month on this car.


So, I have decided for the Renault Kwid and I hope you would understand why. The requirements of other potential car buyers may be different. Therefore, I recommend that they carefully weigh pros and cons before buying this car and decide accordingly.

 

[shan4djfun]

At last... so it seems finally you understood ABS is about avoiding accidents, not "minimize the damage" bullcrap. ABS helps driver to avoid accidents with 0 damage. Airbags, collapsible steering columns, pretensioners, crumple zones etc. are designed to minimize the damage.

I don't question your liking to take risks and chance your life, I spend my time here hoping some innocent soul reading this thread hoping to buy a KWID as his family vehicle will think twice about his choice after reading this conversation. It's not like there aren't safe and reliable cars to buy spending the same amount one pays for a KWID.

Car buyers, think of driving unsafe cars as riding a bike without wearing a helmet. The KWID which comes with an air bag FAILED the crash test because its structural integrity of the body shell is too fragile - the body shell itself doesn't stay stable in a crash. It will wrap around your body and cause mortal injuries.

Minimize the risk as far as you can. Go for the most safe car you can afford. A well maintained Japanese car is far more reliable than a B/N Indian car.

Dude I only too an example and I was talking about probability

It is about minimal damage and its strictly situational.

Eg: obstacle on a turn of a road

vehicle can see the obstacle before making the turn, so with ABS if the driver brakes as he sees it there is a chance that it stops before hitting the obstacle . It does't mean it will not because there are other factors that affect the outcome

1. distant to the object

2. speed of the vehicle / velocity

3. angle of the turn

you can say the same about vehicles that do not have ABS

once again we're talking about a entry hatch, I have to remind you about this over and over again

Yet, all vehicles takes damage according to the crash impact taken nobody can say it will not affect the body. its very situations and that is not a strong point to make a purchase decision over a budget

 

[A. සිරියා]

Marutiya ekka baladdi ita wada sahena hondai wage neda?
Sama price range wage

 

[Hyaenidae]

Dude I only too an example and I was talking about probability

It is about minimal damage and its strictly situational.

Eg: obstacle on a turn of a road

vehicle can see the obstacle before making the turn, so with ABS if the driver brakes as he sees it there is a chance that it stops before hitting the obstacle . It does't mean it will not because there are other factors that affect the outcome

1. distant to the object

2. speed of the vehicle / velocity

3. angle of the turn

you can say the same about vehicles that do not have ABS

once again we're talking about a entry hatch, I have to remind you about this over and over again

Yet, all vehicles takes damage according to the crash impact taken nobody can say it will not affect the body. its very situations and that is not a strong point to make a purchase decision over a budget

Whilst the natural factors that affect both cars remain same the ABS equipped cars' stopping distance is very short compared to non ABS car. Lets compare KWID and CS1 braking in an emergency situation

KWID

No ABS
Driver slams the brakes - wheels lock
Driver loses control
Narrow tyres (155mm) loses grip easily
Vehicle slides forward
Stop

If this scenario happens in highway - "aba saranai"

CS1

ABS equipped
Driver slams the brakes - ABS takes control over braking
Driver can steer the vehicle while fully braking
sits on 185mm wide tyres so doesn't lose grip as easily as KWID
Vehicle doesn't slide
Stop/steer away from danger

If both cars fail to stop before crash the impact force will be lesser for the CS1 because its stopping distance is shorter - thus the impact speed is low.

CS1 have crumple zones, collapsible steering columns, dual Airbags and rigid cabin so passengers of the CS1 are obviously more protected than the passengers of the KWID which comes with a frail body shell, No airbag for the front passenger, No pretensioners, no nothing (top end variant)

I know this comparison is between a fully loaded family sedan and an entry level hatch but both of them are priced similarly and difference between running cost is almost negligible.

Vehicles can be brought back from dead - human lives, however, cannot.

 

[shan4djfun]

Whilst the natural factors that affect both cars remain same the ABS equipped cars' stopping distance is very short compared to non ABS car. Lets compare KWID and CS1 braking in an emergency situation

KWID

No ABS
Driver slams the brakes - wheels lock
Driver loses control
Narrow tyres (155mm) loses grip easily
Vehicle slides forward
Stop

If this scenario happens in highway - "aba saranai"

CS1

ABS equipped
Driver slams the brakes - ABS takes control over braking
Driver can steer the vehicle while fully braking
sits on 185mm wide tyres so doesn't lose grip as easily as KWID
Vehicle doesn't slide
Stop/steer away from danger

If both cars fail to stop before crash the impact force will be lesser for the CS1 because its stopping distance is shorter - thus the impact speed is low.

CS1 have crumple zones, collapsible steering columns, dual Airbags and rigid cabin so passengers of the CS1 are obviously more protected than the passengers of the KWID which comes with a frail body shell, No airbag for the front passenger, No pretensioners, no nothing (top end variant)

I know this comparison is between a fully loaded family sedan and an entry level hatch but both of them are priced similarly and difference between running cost is almost negligible.

Vehicles can be brought back from dead - human lives, however, cannot.

that's exactly why you have to drive safely and slowly. Unavoidable circumstances occurs you cant control them.

Yearly many deaths happen because of road accidents.

http://www.transport.gov.lk/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=279&Itemid=171&lang=en

it can be a car, motor cycle, lorry or even a pedestrian.

Having ABS is not going to change the occurrence of an accident. It can sure minimize the damage sometime.

You need to level up man, don't compare this vehicle with a 9 year old japanese sedan.

 

[Hyaenidae]

that's exactly why you have to drive safely and slowly. Unavoidable circumstances occurs you cant control them.

Yearly many deaths happen because of road accidents.

http://www.transport.gov.lk/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=279&Itemid=171&lang=en

it can be a car, motor cycle, lorry or even a pedestrian.

Having ABS is not going to change the occurrence of an accident. It can sure minimize the damage sometime.

You need to level up man, don't compare this vehicle with a 9 year old japanese sedan.

Are you suffering from STML or something, having ABS CAN prevent an accident! Me myself have experienced it more than one time! Yako I posted a video which shows how ABS prevent an accident, then I explained the video word by word, don't you still understand ABS did prevent an accident from occuring in that video? What's this bullshit about ABS minimizing damage? What's wrong with you? If you watch that video you'll realize that ABS is not only about reducing stopping distance, it's about maintaining steering control. Emergency braking causes non- ABS vehicles to lock wheels, losing control of the car. Driver cannot steer when wheel lock occurs because damn wheels are not rotating! ABS equipped cars can steer away from an obstacle while fully braking but non-ABS vehicles can't do that! ABS CAN PREVENT AN ACCIDENT FROM OCCURING!

And what did you mean by "level up?" You do realize that 9 year old Japanese sedan is leaps and bounds ahead of the Renault KWID in every aspect don't you? Being newer doesn't mean KWID is in a higher level than CS1, It's actually wayy below the CS1, and still people buy that paying the same amount a CS1 would cost!

 

[GuneBhai]

that's exactly why you have to drive safely and slowly. Unavoidable circumstances occurs you cant control them.

Yearly many deaths happen because of road accidents.

http://www.transport.gov.lk/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=279&Itemid=171&lang=en

it can be a car, motor cycle, lorry or even a pedestrian.

Having ABS is not going to change the occurrence of an accident. It can sure minimize the damage sometime.

You need to level up man, don't compare this vehicle with a 9 year old japanese sedan.

How slow 20 kmph? If so it is much better to completely avoid buying it.

 

[SAN_APIIT]

yes it can minimize the impact of course, but it cannot stop you from getting in to an accident situation

Dudeee.... Ok this would be the last reply on this matter as this is pointless.

Scenario: You are driving along a normal road at 70 and a car enters the road from your left without seen you.

01: Car with ABS / EBD - You turn right as there are no in coming traffic and breaks. ABS make sure you keep on a straight line and EBD ensures you don't spin and make a total mess.

02: Car with break assist: Detects the threat and slows the vehicle for you even before you could lift your foot from the gas. You do a normal break and saves the day.

03: Car without above.
3.1: You break as hard as you could but without ABS you keep sliding on the road and hit the car

3.2: You turn right and break - probably a very bad thing to do if you don't have ABS or EBD. You would skid or the breaking capacity would be reduced drastically. Not a good ending for sure.

So as you could see there are lot of things installed in vehicles to PREVENT accidents. Not only save anyone in case you get into one.

Good luck mate. Hope you learned something...

 

[shan4djfun]

Are you suffering from STML or something, having ABS CAN prevent an accident! Me myself have experienced it more than one time! Yako I posted a video which shows how ABS prevent an accident, then I explained the video word by word, don't you still understand ABS did prevent an accident from occuring in that video? What's this bullshit about ABS minimizing damage? What's wrong with you? If you watch that video you'll realize that ABS is not only about reducing stopping distance, it's about maintaining steering control. Emergency braking causes non- ABS vehicles to lock wheels, losing control of the car. Driver cannot steer when wheel lock occurs because damn wheels are not rotating! ABS equipped cars can steer away from an obstacle while fully braking but non-ABS vehicles can't do that! ABS CAN PREVENT AN ACCIDENT FROM OCCURING!

And what did you mean by "level up?" You do realize that 9 year old Japanese sedan is leaps and bounds ahead of the Renault KWID in every aspect don't you? Being newer doesn't mean KWID is in a higher level than CS1, It's actually wayy below the CS1, and still people buy that paying the same amount a CS1 would cost!

I didnt compare a hatch back with sedan to say anything. Like I told to that uncle this is a KWID thread not a CS1 thread. If you have an idea to buy a kwid you should post here.

likewise, just let me know if you understand below, I increased the font size as well.

1. accident can occur anytime

2. some can be prevented some cannot

3, but the accidental situation occurs every time regardless of the vehicle you are driving accident happens because of careless drivers and unavoidable circumstances.

4. when such a moment occurs vehicle with ABS has a high probability of shutting down before an vehicle without ABS. its a probability


here are some pros and cons of ABS

Advantages of Anti-Lock Brakes

The main benefits of an anti-lock brake system (ABS) include.

Stopping on ice

As mentioned above, an ABS prevents lock-ups and skidding, even in slippery conditions. Anti-lock brakes have been proven to save lives in some situations by helping drivers keep control of a vehicle.

Lower insurance costs.

Because it is a thoroughly tested safety device with a track record of effectiveness, insurers often give customers specific discounts for having an ABS system on their vehicle.

Higher resale value.

As a feature on a car or truck, an ABS raises the market value of the vehicle. Nowadays, where ABS technology has become standard on many vehicles, not having it could result in a lower price for resale.

Traction control.

An ABS shares some of the infrastructure of a traction control system, where new technology helps ensure that each wheel has traction on the road. That makes it easy for manufacturers to install both of these features at the factory.
Disadvantages of Anti-Lock Brakes

Despite the fact that anti-lock brakes are proven to be a safety feature in most situations, and insurers consider them to significantly lower risk for a vehicle, not all drivers are sold on this option for a car or truck.

Here are some of the down sides that drivers find in this kind of brake system.

Inconsistent stop times.

Anti-lock brakes are made to provide for surer braking in slippery conditions. However, some drivers report that they find stopping distances for regular conditions are lengthened by their ABS, either because there may be errors in the system, or because the clunking or noise of the ABS may contribute to the driver not braking at the same rate.

Expense.

An ABS can be expensive to maintain. Expensive sensors on each wheel can cost hundreds of dollars to fix if they get out of calibration or develop other problems. For some, this is a big reason to decline an ABS in a vehicle.

Delicate systems.

It's easy to cause a problem in an ABS by messing around with the brakes. Problems include disorientation of the ABS, where a compensating brake sensor causes the vehicle to shudder, make loud noise or generally brake worse.

Source: Cars Direct

as you can se non-of those advantages concerns me I hope you are ready to grow up!

 

[shan4djfun]

How slow 20 kmph? If so it is much better to completely avoid buying it.

10-20 in traffic of course. all other time city 30-40 and out station 60, highway 70+

I've seen how hybride drivers are going in city without traffic, they are the ones creating traffic most of the time

 

[shan4djfun]

Dudeee.... Ok this would be the last reply on this matter as this is pointless.

Scenario: You are driving along a normal road at 70 and a car enters the road from your left without seen you.

01: Car with ABS / EBD - You turn right as there are no in coming traffic and breaks. ABS make sure you keep on a straight line and EBD ensures you don't spin and make a total mess.

02: Car with break assist: Detects the threat and slows the vehicle for you even before you could lift your foot from the gas. You do a normal break and saves the day.

03: Car without above.
3.1: You break as hard as you could but without ABS you keep sliding on the road and hit the car

3.2: You turn right and break - probably a very bad thing to do if you don't have ABS or EBD. You would skid or the breaking capacity would be reduced drastically. Not a good ending for sure.

So as you could see there are lot of things installed in vehicles to PREVENT accidents. Not only save anyone in case you get into one.

Good luck mate. Hope you learned something...

here are some pros and cons of ABS

Advantages of Anti-Lock Brakes

The main benefits of an anti-lock brake system (ABS) include.

Stopping on ice

As mentioned above, an ABS prevents lock-ups and skidding, even in slippery conditions. Anti-lock brakes have been proven to save lives in some situations by helping drivers keep control of a vehicle.

Lower insurance costs.

Because it is a thoroughly tested safety device with a track record of effectiveness, insurers often give customers specific discounts for having an ABS system on their vehicle.

Higher resale value.

As a feature on a car or truck, an ABS raises the market value of the vehicle. Nowadays, where ABS technology has become standard on many vehicles, not having it could result in a lower price for resale.

Traction control.

An ABS shares some of the infrastructure of a traction control system, where new technology helps ensure that each wheel has traction on the road. That makes it easy for manufacturers to install both of these features at the factory.
Disadvantages of Anti-Lock Brakes

Despite the fact that anti-lock brakes are proven to be a safety feature in most situations, and insurers consider them to significantly lower risk for a vehicle, not all drivers are sold on this option for a car or truck.

Here are some of the down sides that drivers find in this kind of brake system.

Inconsistent stop times.

Anti-lock brakes are made to provide for surer braking in slippery conditions. However, some drivers report that they find stopping distances for regular conditions are lengthened by their ABS, either because there may be errors in the system, or because the clunking or noise of the ABS may contribute to the driver not braking at the same rate.

Expense.

An ABS can be expensive to maintain. Expensive sensors on each wheel can cost hundreds of dollars to fix if they get out of calibration or develop other problems. For some, this is a big reason to decline an ABS in a vehicle.

Delicate systems.

It's easy to cause a problem in an ABS by messing around with the brakes. Problems include disorientation of the ABS, where a compensating brake sensor causes the vehicle to shudder, make loud noise or generally brake worse.

Source: Cars Direct

as you can se non-of those advantages concerns me

 

[malakadss]

This is like Arjun Mahendran case. UNP want to keep him and all others want him to leave. its an easy decision backed by clear evidence that he should leave the position. But UNP guys trying to justify his value.

Let him drive his KWID.He has good reasons to stick in to that decision. And others also have reasonable reasons to go for Jap or Euro quality vehicle.

Drive what ever u want. Enough facts discussed in this thread and no need to Hodha hodha madhe dhanna. enough is enough.

 

[Hyaenidae]

I didnt compare a hatch back with sedan to say anything. Like I told to that uncle this is a KWID thread not a CS1 thread. If you have an idea to buy a kwid you should post here.

likewise, just let me know if you understand below, I increased the font size as well.

1. accident can occur anytime

2. some can be prevented some cannot

3, but the accidental situation occurs every time regardless of the vehicle you are driving accident happens because of careless drivers and unavoidable circumstances.

4. when such a moment occurs vehicle with ABS has a high probability of shutting down before an vehicle without ABS. its a probability


here are some pros and cons of ABS

as you can se non-of those advantages concerns me I hope you are ready to grow up!

I couldn't care less about this being a KWID thread, I post whatever I please here and you can't do anything about it

1. Yes, that's why one should buy the safest car one could afford. KWID is, well, it's one of the least safe cars one could buy for 2.2mil.

2. True, another reason to buy a car with atleast basic safety features

3. True again, all the more reason to run away from Indian made vehicles

4. If KWID and a car with ABS face the same accidental scenario the car equipped with ABS will perform better and protect the passengers better every time, that's no probability, that's a fact

The average driver of Sri Lanka needs a car with atleast basic safety features because there are times that we have to trust the car with our life. As I said repeatedly it's NOT ABOUT YOU buying a KWID. I just want to help a potential car buyer to take an informed decision.

If this conversation taught me anything that is I've far outgrown you and the mature one between two of us is me so why don't you take your own advice

 

[shan4djfun]

I couldn't care less about this being a KWID thread, I post whatever I please here and you can't do anything about it

1. Yes, that's why one should buy the safest car one could afford. KWID is, well, it's one of the least safe cars one could buy for 2.2mil.

2. True, another reason to buy a car with atleast basic safety features

3. True again, all the more reason to run away from Indian made vehicles

4. If KWID and a car with ABS face the same accidental scenario the car equipped with ABS will perform better and protect the passengers better every time, that's no probability, that's a fact

The average driver of Sri Lanka needs a car with atleast basic safety features because there are times that we have to trust the car with our life. As I said repeatedly it's NOT ABOUT YOU buying a KWID. I just want to help a potential car buyer to take an informed decision.

If this conversation taught me anything that is I've far outgrown you and the mature one between two of us is me so why don't you take your own advice

Actually I use the negative opposite impact on you so you would bump and carry my thread to the page 50. thanks again

bro, I never said vehicles without safety options are good or bad

I never said japanese vehicles are bad and indian or even english vehicles are good or bad

I'm buying a KWID after doing a fair research and this is the least information I found on KWID. There are many deep and practical reasons to go for it.

KWID is not a least safe car, its a budget car with the right safety.

least safe cars - i've never driven 1 in my life. 30-40 years old cars also least safe cars

Didn't you read the pros and cons of ABS, i'm pretty sure that you didnt

 

[shan4djfun]

 

[Hyaenidae]

Actually I use the negative opposite impact on you so you would bump and carry my thread to the page 50. thanks again

bro, I never said vehicles without safety options are good or bad

I never said japanese vehicles are bad and indian or even english vehicles are good or bad

I'm buying a KWID after doing a fair research and this is the least information I found on KWID. There are many deep and practical reasons to go for it.

KWID is not a least safe car, its a budget car with the right safety.

least safe cars - i've never driven 1 in my life. 30-40 years old cars also least safe cars

Didn't you read the pros and cons of ABS, i'm pretty sure that you didnt

you're welcome. You can bet I'll be here till the day this thread hit 100 pages

I did read it and the first sentence is reason enough to buy a car equipped with ABS

 

[shan4djfun]

you're welcome. You can bet I'll be here till the day this thread hit 100 pages

I did read it and the first sentence is reason enough to buy a car equipped with ABS

then you haven't read it, read both pros and cons.

 

[shan4djfun]

 

[Hyaenidae]

then you haven't read it, read both pros and cons.

There are 3, what of it?

1. Maintain the car the way manufacturer recommends and this wont be an issue. Any part of any car can malfunction if you won't maintain it

2. An ABS sensor costs less than $35

3. Anyone can mess anything if they don't know what they're doing.
don't let a mason bass repair your car and this won't happen