sorry i got late to post but eh... no i don't agree with you on that.... i mean common... a lang should be open or else no one will use it(cause they can't!). you know where i went wrong? i didn't sleep well today! hehe... whatever...asangalk said:No, You can say Open/Closed to a language.( It is not where you got wrong buddy)
Example : Perl .
Goto this link
http://www.activestate.com/products/languages.plex
cheers.
ok now i am been open minded as far as i can here.... ok lets seeasangalk said:Ha ha ! That is unfair machang (and kind of negative) , "LADA DEYIN SATHUTU WEEMA" is not applicable when you assess things. You should have an open mind and you should equally see the pros and cons in both the products , just hating something cos it is not affordable is like "Nariya Midi Thithai kiuwa wage".
GOOD is GOOD ! weather it is FREE or PAID
hehehe... you all know how vanuable you all are... when i was using windows... i have to worry about my AV.. it slows the comp down.. and i get infected with a virus at least once in six months... and linux oh thank god! no viruses, no malware... and no AVs!!! (now linux does have AVs.. but u don't really need them for your day to day usage) so linux is much safe than XP
asangalk said:No, You can say Open/Closed to a language.( It is not where you got wrong buddy
Example : Perl .
Goto this link
http://www.activestate.com/products/languages.plex
cheers.
amila325 said:oh yeah we are talking about ubuntu. machan 1st tell me do you have a original cd of XP or Vista if you have, you have all the right to talk like this
dude im not using windows because i can't afford it(now that does not mean that im richasangalk said:Ha ha ! That is unfair machang (and kind of negative) , "LADA DEYIN SATHUTU WEEMA" is not applicable when you assess things. You should have an open mind and you should equally see the pros and cons in both the products , just hating something cos it is not affordable is like "Nariya Midi Thithai kiuwa wage".
GOOD is GOOD ! weather it is FREE or PAID
) i have a original copy of windows. and it is a waste of money.. i could have save that money... i use linux becasue i think it is much better than windows... not becasue it is free.dineitdark said:
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ok fine, lets take C then, so tell me whether it is a open source lang or is it a closed source lang? and just keep in mind that it have both closed and open Compilers/frameworks/libraries/etc ...asangalk said:I thought this topic is already closed , By mistake i saw this page again today and found you need more explanations
please visit this link >> http://www.activestate.com/products/languages.plex
there you can find even the exact phrase "Open Source Languages " ! by that, ActiveState ppl or I didn't mean of a language in which no one can do coding ! (common its Obvious ) he he.
computer Language is said to be an Open source language if the Compiler/Interpreter/parser/framework/libraries/etc are open sourced.
dineitdark said:
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asangalk said:See friends , B4 you say Ubuntu is faster than XP , i have to ask "how did you messure/compare the speed of two OSs ? "
for an example, one can say a "maruti" is faster than a "ford" or vice versa if both vehicles traveled under same conditions (ex : same road ) . Otherwise it is not fair right ?
May be you are talking about BOOT up speed ? My Xp takes 10 seconds,ubuntu takes 13 seconds, Redhat takes 9-10 seconds. Is it a big deal ? Boot up speed depends upon how much services you have running in your OS.
Yeah ubuntu performance is good when you use it as a server box !, but Ubuntu is for normal users who use an os for day today stuff, for more demanding users Ubuntu is not the ideal choice(u knw wt i mean). What i say is in day today Usage, Office, Email ,etc in XP is faster than ubuntu. The reason is GUI!! In windows 80% of the GUI is integrated in to the Kernel , But in ubuntu GUI is a separate layer. Due to XP's GUI-Kernal intragation XP GUI is much faster than Ubuntu. If you don't believe me for some reason, just Run Open office Word in ubuntu and Note the Start time, then runn MS office WORD in xp and note the start time then compare , if you are not a blind NIX fan who go for the trend (wanna be geek) saying "windows is shit Use linux " just for nothing, you will notice a HUGE deference in start times !
the reason is XP'S GUI-Kernal integration. There is a bad side of that too(some times is leads to Deadlocks), but in VISTA MS ppl has solved that too
but then you have other office apps in linux, abiword, KOffice...etc etc.. there are much faster than MS office... AbiWord is much much faster.. try it and see if you don't belive me. GUIs are no good things to find there way to the kernel it makes it more unstable... so *nix stratergy is much better than windows one.dineitdark said:ok fine, lets take C then, so tell me whether it is a open source lang or is it a closed source lang? and just keep in mind that it have both closed and open Compilers/frameworks/libraries/etc ...
I disagree. If you don't use the RAM you have, that's called wasting - MONEY!!! More RAM you have, more the system should use that RAM.dineitdark said:
Well, Vista's GUI is driven by Desktop Window Manager, which is outside kernel. But this applies only to the GPU accelerated theme.dineitdark said:hmm really vista sloved that? can u explain that a bit?
haha... thats my point bro. the lang is C and only C. so it is not closed or open. but the implementation can be open or closed. got it?asangalk said:Your question is incomplete
as an example , Given that too two Families ,If Mr.John's kid is BAD and MR. Smith's Kid is GOOD if you ask "Kid is BAD or GOOD ? " the question does not imply that which kid you are asking about. You should ask "Is Mr.Johen's kid BAD or GOOD ? " otherwise the Question itself is Incomplete , isn't it ?
In the same way If a language has been implemented by two Organizations, say "X.org" implements Language "P" as open sourced one then later "Y.Com" implements the same language "P" (conformance to original Standards ) as closed source. Then We say "X's P" is Open source language and "Y's P" is Closed source language. For an instance, We all know Activestat Perl is an opensource language right ? if I implement same Perl as a closed sourced language tomorrow , then the Question "Is Perl a Opensource language or not ?" won't be a valid question. Got it ?
Same in the case of C , we have GCC and MS C , the later is not open sourced ! but both are C , how do you reckon ?... Got it ?
and yes different implementations might have slight differences on how the lang is implemented.
Anusha said:
ok so u want to use all the RAM all the time to stop it from been wasted? machan if there is some RAM left u can be sure that u won't run out of physical mem when one of your important programs(something that you really need to be runing) need it.
You have no idea how it works in Vista. Vista is far superior to XP in memory management. It can use all your RAM, and at the same time, free up RAM in a flash. You won't see any slowdowns. For people who are stupid, can always turn this feature offdineitdark said:haha
and the more RAM u use the less effective it is to handel your data in the RAM = less speed
oh ok, so vista had copied the )nix model once again! haha... doesnt that just show the fact that nix sys arch is much better? i mean thats why they try to copy it all time
you are correct i have no idea on how vista works!Anusha said:You have no idea how it works in Vista. Vista is far superior to XP in memory management. It can use all your RAM, and at the same time, free up RAM in a flash. You won't see any slowdowns. For people who are stupid, can always turn this feature off
Most of the times when I load a game, I have only couple of MBs of physical RAM left. I don't feel any slowdown when I load the game.
Removing GUI management from kernel is not for OS stability alone. It's all integrated, I mean the driver and DWM. Removing GUI from kernel makes the OS stable by not crashing the OS when a problem in the DRIVER occurs. The driver can reset without needing to reboot. In XP, if something happened in the driver, the whole OS will go haywire.
but my basic point is loading and unneeded module to memory will take some space in your RAM which is wasted because it can be utilized for someother purpose which is really important.... linux and all the nix systems were using window managers from some long time back. and now only windows people thought of coping that into there OS hehe..
