What is Buddhism ?

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kosandpol said:
no need to ask. Do elaborate.

The king's unrest

Upon a bright uposatha night, King Ajatasattu, monarch of Magadha Kingdom, who is in the mood to hear a Dhamma discourse, asked his ministers if there is any worthy teacher "who might enlighten and bring peace to our mind."[2] The ministers in turn suggest that the monarch visit a variety of teachers, all of whom the King rejects by being silent. But when the King's physician, Jivaka, who is being silent all the time, is asked if he can suggest for a teacher to visit, the physician quickly replies that the Buddha is currently staying in the physician's Mango Groves.
The King immediately agrees to go there. After preparing the elephants and his followers, the King rides for the Mango Groves. Yet, upon arriving on the Groves, the King is suddenly overcome with worry and doubt. The hairs on his body even stands up as he feels the agonizing fear. He asks his physician nervously and suspectingly, "Are you not deceiving me, Jivaka? Do you not betray me and hand my life to the enemies? How come it happens that there is not a single sound heard at all, not even coughs or sneezes in the huge group of 1,250 Sangha monks?"
To answer his majesty's paranoia, the physician calmly reassures the monarch, "Do not worry, your Majesty. I am not lying, or deceiving, or betraying you to your enemies. Proceed on, your Majesty! There, in the Hall, where the lights are lit."
The King proceeds and when he enters the Hall, he has difficulty in spotting where the Buddha is. To his king's aid, Jivaka answers that the Buddha is sitting on the back of a pillar, surrounded by his disciples.
The King then approach the Buddha and gave his salute. Then, while standing, he sees how the Monks sit in silence, calm like a still, waveless lake. He exclaims: "Can my beloved son, Udayi Bhadda, possess such calmness and composure as the Monks show me now?"
The Buddha asks him, "If so, Your Majesty, how do you direct your mind towards compassion and love?"
"Bhante, I love my son very dearly, and I wish for him to possess the calmness as like the monks have now." The Monarch then prostrates himself towards the Buddha, clasps his palms in salute for the monks, then proceed to sit on the Buddha's side. The monarch then asks, "If my teacher doesn't mind, may I ask you a question?"
"Ask what you want to ask, King."


The King asks, "Bhante (Teacher), there is a number of skills and talents, such as: Elephant-drivers, chariot-drivers, horse riders, archers, palanquin bearers, army commander's adjutants, royal officers, soldiers, warriors with elephant's courage, heroes, fighters, troops in deer-skin uniform, slaves, cooks and chefs, barbers, bathers, bakers, florists, launderers, weavers, crafters, potters, mathematicians, accountants, and many other skills. In their current life, they enjoy the real fruits of their skills. They support their life, their family, parents, and friends with their skills in happiness and welfare. They donate high-valued gifts and offerings to the Brahmins and the ascetics, giving them rewards of hoyful next life in heaven, and other joys. Can Bhante instruct me what is the real benefit of a contemplative life in this current life?"


Then Buddha answers him with The Samaññaphala Sutta is the second discourse of all 34 Digha Nikaya discourses. The title means, "The Fruit of Contemplative Life Discourse."


Upon hearing the Buddha's explanation, King Ajatasattu declared himself a lay follower of the Buddha.


The king then confessed that he himself killed his own father so as to become king. The Buddha replied: "Yes, great king, a transgression overcame you in that you were so foolish, so muddle-headed, and so unskilled as to kill your father — a righteous man, a righteous king — for the sake of sovereign rulership. But because you see your transgression as such and make amends in accordance with the Dhamma, we accept your confession. For it is a cause of growth in the Dhamma & Discipline of the noble ones when, seeing a transgression as such, one makes amends in accordance with the Dhamma and exercises restraint in the future."[2] The Buddha subsequently declares: "... Had [King Ajatasattu] not killed his father [King Bimbisara] — that righteous man, that righteous king — the dustless, stainless Dhamma eye (Stage of Sotapanna)would have arisen to him as he sat in this very seat.
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So how does that Karma
affected him becoming Sotapanna.

In Patichcha Samuppada,
Thanha pacchaya > Bhava
Bhava pachchaya > jaathi

According to the amount of Klesha
based on the thanha, Attachment
Bhava, Life line is created.

If we eradicate Klesha -defilements
Life line becomes shorter.
If it is shorten in to 7 lives one become Sotapanna.
If it is shorten into 2 lives one become Sakadaagami.

In Ajasath's case
he was so changed listening to the discourse that
his life line was shorten enough to become Sotapanna,
if he had not committed the bad karma
of killing his father.

With vipassana one being aware of sensations
with equanimity,
klesha gets dissolved
Thanha becomes less,
and Bhava become shorter.



 

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    In ThE R3AL W0RLD
    I'll use sinhala as well as English ......forgive me :)

    Buddhism is a map ...for where ?? to the Nibbana ....what is Nibbana??
    It's something you can not explain ...it's something you have to obtain....according to my knowledge ...when you obtain Nibbana ...that person is out of his Circle of Life (suffering) ........

    So what is this Circle of Life ???? It depends on 4 noble truth ...

    1. Dukha
    2. Dukhata Hethuwa
    3. Dukha nathi kerima
    4. Dukha nathi kirime margaya

    Dukha :-
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    As an example ...when you get something you don't want ...what you feel ...When you meet someone you don't like ....how do you feel?? When you depart from a person you love .....how you feel ???
    (this is a simple explanation )

    Dukhata Hethuwa :-
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    Why this Dhuka occurs ?? What is the source ?? According to my knowledge this Dukha depends on 3 things ....

    1.Lobha
    2.Dwesha
    3.Moha
    (i don't know the exact explanation for these things)

    Dukha Nathikirima :-
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    So far we know the reasons ...there should be a way to end this ...before that one should have the courage to think that "I should end this" ...that is the basic idea of Dukha nathikirima (plz correct me if i'm wrong)

    Dukha nathikirime margaya :-
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    To do this , Buddha told us 8things ...that what we call ...
    "Arya ash tangika maragaya "


    So all of this ....actually what is the Circle of Life ???
    It's define in "Patichcha samuppadaya"

    Code:
    The "meat" problem is a confusion that was aroused by some monks, they stress that they under go a vegetarian diet because they are "buddhist"
    thats where they went wrong, buddha said, eat what you get if it's eatable and do not ASK

    this is wrong ...According to my knowledge Buddha never said something like that :) ...Buddha even creat rules for that :) ....
     

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    in the simplest form Buddhism teaches us the cause and its apparent consequence, remove the cause and there is no consequence, and that is called Nibbana, if ever there was a Perfect Science that can define everything in the universe that will be buddhism, because being a Buddha is being the Pinnacle of Knowledge and Wisdom, knowing everything that there is to know.
     

    methsri

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    fallenzeraphine said:
    in the simplest form Buddhism teaches us the cause and its apparent consequence, remove the cause and there is no consequence, and that is called Nibbana, quote]

    that is not the Nibbana ...that is the way of obtaining the Nibbana
     

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    methsri said:
    fallenzeraphine said:
    in the simplest form Buddhism teaches us the cause and its apparent consequence, remove the cause and there is no consequence, and that is called Nibbana, quote]

    that is not the Nibbana ...that is the way of obtaining the Nibbana
    when there is no Consequence mate that is Nibbana, the way to Obtain it is Removing the causes that leads to Consequences.
     

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    Sorry to join you all bit late, I see a lot of discussion has been going on.. :)

    Anyway... Buddhism is a way of life, it is what Lord Buddha perceived as the way of getting rid of the cause that creates the effect.

    Buddhists believe in reincarnation and the life and death is a never ending process, although we cannot prove scientifically that reincarnation exists, life and death is very commonly seen and its the ultimate law in the whole universe as we know it!

    So this cycle of life and death often associated with suffering, because be it happiness be it sadness it is very closely related! As something happy to someone would mean a sad moment for another, so it is always interconnected process.

    But in any event life does end with sadness as people whom live see it, when we die we have no idea actually what happens next or how we feel about death after death, I personally don't like to talk about it, and I always believe that no one would ever find an exact answer for this ever, every religion including Buddhism has an explanation of life after death but we will never know the exact truth!

    But we can analyze Buddhism to the point that it says till you wants to please your inner senses there will be life, there will be causes and then the effects of them!
     

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    AtulaSiriwardane said:
    Then Buddha answers him with The Samaññaphala Sutta is the second discourse of all 34 Digha Nikaya discourses. The title means, "The Fruit of Contemplative Life Discourse."

    Heres the Samannaphala Sutta in brief:
    The Buddhist fruit of the contemplative life

    The Buddha then elaborated on his perspective regarding the benefits of the contemplative life, moving from the material to the spiritual:[4]
    • Solitude's delight: For instance, for slaves and farmers, freedom from servitude resulting in being "content with the simplest food and shelter, delighting in solitude"[5] as well as the veneration of others.
    • Virtue's pleasure: "[T]he monk ... consummate in virtue sees no danger anywhere from his restraint through virtue. Endowed with this noble aggregate of virtue, he is inwardly sensitive to the pleasure of being blameless."
    • Simplicity's contentment: "Wherever he goes, he takes only his barest necessities along. This is how a monk is content."
    • Mental calm: With mindfulness and alertness (see sampajanna), a monk cleanses his mind of covetousness, ill will and anger, sloth and drowsiness, restlessness and anxiety, and doubt (see the Five Hindrances).
    • Jhanic bliss: He attains the four jhanic states which are associated with the permeating of his body with rapture, pleasure, equanimity, and a pure, bright awareness.
    • Insight knowledge: "[W]ith his mind thus concentrated, purified, and bright, unblemished, free from defects, pliant, malleable, steady, and attained to imperturbability — the monk directs and inclines it to knowledge and vision. He discerns: 'This body of mine is endowed with form, composed of the four primary elements, born from mother and father, nourished with rice and porridge, subject to inconstancy, rubbing, pressing, dissolution, and dispersion. And this consciousness of mine is supported here and bound up here.'"
    • Supernatural powers: "Having been one he becomes many; having been many he becomes one. He appears. He vanishes. He goes unimpeded through walls, ramparts, and mountains as if through space. He dives in and out of the earth as if it were water. He walks on water without sinking as if it were dry land. Sitting cross-legged he flies through the air like a winged bird. With his hand he touches and strokes even the sun and moon, so mighty and powerful.... He hears — by means of the divine ear-element, purified and surpassing the human — both kinds of sounds: divine and human, whether near or far."
    • Mind reading: He can discern in others states of consciousness such as those with or without passion, lust, delusion, concentration, etc. (see the Satipatthana Sutta regarding mindfulness of the mind).
    • Three knowledges: He can recollect past lives, see the rebirth of other beings, and knows the ending of suffering and the fermentations of sensuality, becoming and ignorance.
    • Release from samsara: "His heart, thus knowing, thus seeing, is released from the fermentation of sensuality, the fermentation of becoming, the fermentation of ignorance. With release, there is the knowledge, 'Released.' He discerns that 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.'"
     

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    ok, so far , we've established that in Buddhism, suffering is defined as the rebirth cycle and the goal is to break this cycle.

    What then are "kusal", "akusal" and "karma" ? how do they influence the rebrith cycle ?
     
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    kosandpol said:
    ok, so far , we've established that in Buddhism, suffering is defined as the rebirth cycle and the goal is to break this cycle.

    What then are "kusal", "akusal" and "karma" ? how do they influence the rebrith cycle ?
    Wow, fantastic question.

    What makes Karma.
    Chetana makes karma.

    We react all the time...
    consciously or unconsciously

    Some vibration touches our senses
    or mind imagines something.
    -Phassa-
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    A sensation is created.
    -Vedana-
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    We recognize it
    -Sangna-
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    We may Like it, Dislike it or Neutral toward it.
    -RAGA, Dwesha or Moha-
    -Sankhara-
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    A consciouness created.
    -Vingnana-

    This consciouness is recorded
    and affects sangna with next experience of same type
    pleasent, unpleasent or neutral.

    We need an example.
    Let's assume this happens for a pure being,
    just to make it clear.
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    This being feels hungry,
    searches for food.
    finds and eats.
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    Food creates a pleasent sensation.
    Being recognize food as pleasent and likes it.
    Raga Sankhara is created.
    Now he craves for tasty food.

    Phassa pachchaya Vedana pachchaya Thanha pachchaya Upadana

    Next time when he feels hungry
    this Sankhara makes him search for the same food
    which he attached now with craving,
    He wants to enjoy the same pleasant sensations.
    This time he is more aggressive, determined
    and
    this time his search is for tasty food
    He thinks it is for hunger but in reality he craves for the taste.

    This is Upadaana,
    (Sankhara is the medium and Upadana is the power.)
    -I'll elaborate this seperately-

    Upadana pachchaya Bhava

    Bhava is the time one needs to release
    the unnecessary energy he created within
    by working on little thanha
    making it deeper and stronger.
    Upadana creates Bhava
    making the lifeline
    -little or much- longer
    according to the intensity of Upadana
    in this case attachment for the taste
    or in reality, the pleasant sensation.

    He commits a Karma based on Lobha.
    (Yes, So dangerous)

    All these are inter related.

    We didn't even touch the remedy
    which is very simple.
    Remedy is related to Avijja
    which creates Sankhara.

    Let this post be here for a while.
    According to the responses and questions
    I'll elaborate more later.




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    kosandpol said:
    ok, so far , we've established that in Buddhism, suffering is defined as the rebirth cycle and the goal is to break this cycle.

    What then are "kusal", "akusal" and "karma" ? how do they influence the rebrith cycle ?

    Actually Karma has a broad meaning..

    Karma in Buddhism is classified into

    • Janaka Karma - Reproductive Karma
    • Upaththambaka Karma - Supportive Karma
    • Upapidika Karma - Obstructive Karma
    • Upagathaka Karma - Destructive Karma

    Reproductive Karma is what matters at the time of conception, this is what produces the mental and physical elements of life which are the 10 things we all consist of!

    1. Patavi - Element of Extension
    2. Apo - Cohesion
    3. Thejo - Heat
    4. Vayo - Motion
    5. Vanna - Color
    6. Gandha - Odour
    7. Rasa - Taste
    8. Oja - Nutrient Essence
    9. Jivithedriya - Vitality
    10. Kaya - Body

    Supporting Karma is what supports Reproductive Karma, all born in this world to a certain environment, when you were born your parents had certain environment to take care of you, so you were born to a family of a certain wealth, and your conception is without a problem you are in perfect health, so that is assisting or supporting Karma, which maintains you from birth to death!

    Obstructive Karma is what weaken or strengthen your reproductive Karma, say your reproductive Karma is bad and you are born with certain disabilities but you are born to an extremely wealthy family that beside your inabiity you may lead your life luxuriously, the obtrusive karma came into effect and made things a bit better in this instance

    Destructive Karma can change the Reproductive Karma on its head :lol: for good or for bad, so if destructive Karma is in effect it could totally nullify the other Karmas mentioned, like for example some babies are born but does not survive for long because though their Reproductive Karma was OK, a much larger force was in effect on their lives that can be called as a Destructive Karma which totally nullified the original Reproductive Karma!
     

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    kosandpol said:
    NOTE : This is in the PRO section. No silly one liners, nonsense posts or smilies allowed here.

    What exactly is Buddhism ?
    Not discussing about the history, legends, fables or culture here.

    What is considered to be the true Buddhism ?
    Is it segregated according to sex ? if so, how and what ?
    Is it segregated according to state of the person (ordained / not ordained) ? if so, how ?

    If possible, please try to keep the discussion in English.

    Four noble Truths which eventually leads to Eight Fold Path.
     
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    sri_lion said:
    Actually Karma has a broad meaning..

    Karma in Buddhism is classified into
    • Janaka Karma - Reproductive Karma
    • Upaththambaka Karma - Supportive Karma
    • Upapidika Karma - Obstructive Karma
    • Upagathaka Karma - Destructive Karma
    Reproductive Karma is what matters at the time of conception, this is what produces the mental and physical elements of life which are the 10 things we all consist of!
    1. Patavi - Element of Extension
    2. Apo - Cohesion
    3. Thejo - Heat
    4. Vayo - Motion
    5. Vanna - Color
    6. Gandha - Odour
    7. Rasa - Taste
    8. Oja - Nutrient Essence
    9. Jivithedriya - Vitality
    10. Kaya - Body
    Supporting Karma is what supports Reproductive Karma, all born in this world to a certain environment, when you were born your parents had certain environment to take care of you, so you were born to a family of a certain wealth, and your conception is without a problem you are in perfect health, so that is assisting or supporting Karma, which maintains you from birth to death!

    Obstructive Karma is what weaken or strengthen your reproductive Karma, say your reproductive Karma is bad and you are born with certain disabilities but you are born to an extremely wealthy family that beside your inabiity you may lead your life luxuriously, the obtrusive karma came into effect and made things a bit better in this instance

    Destructive Karma can change the Reproductive Karma on its head :lol: for good or for bad, so if destructive Karma is in effect it could totally nullify the other Karmas mentioned, like for example some babies are born but does not survive for long because though their Reproductive Karma was OK, a much larger force was in effect on their lives that can be called as a Destructive Karma which totally nullified the original Reproductive Karma!
    Thank you very much...

    Though I learnt these in school never paid attention to these details...
    Is there any way one can guess
    how Karmas will be catogaried
    into these...
    and after a karma gives fruit.
    Like why Lincoln was assasinated, if it is a result of his bad karma.
    when one commits
     
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    AtulaSiriwardane said:
    Thank you very much...

    Though I learnt these in school never paid attention to these details...
    Is there any way one can guess
    how Karmas will be catogaried
    into these...

    This is primarily how Karma has been categorized according to how they work!

    But there are other ways that it has been categorized too.. like for example..

    It can also be categorized according to the time that to have an effect

    Example: Dittadhammawedaneeya Karma, which effect almost immediately..

    Also it can be categorized based on order to take effect

    Example: Garuka Kamma, what we know as the "Ananthareeya Papa Karma"

    1. Creating schism among Sangha
    2. Wounding Lord Buddha
    3. Killing of Mother
    4. Killing of Father
    5. Murder of an Arahat

    So there are many aspects to Karma and can be categorized in many ways!

    AtulaSiriwardane said:
    and after a karma gives fruit.
    Like why Lincoln was assasinated, if it is a result of his bad karma.
    when one commits

    Death according to Buddhism is four-fold. (Amazes me that most cultures believe 4 is bad luck and the sign of death, especially Chinese :shocked:)

    1. Expiration of Age Limit
    2. Expiration of Reproductive Karma which we are born with
    3. Expiration of both of the above at once
    4. Effect of Destructive Karma

    1st 3 types are of what we say "Natural Death", last one "Untimely Death"....

    Many of us go to the Temple and light up lamps but the hidden meaning of lighting a lamp actually symbolizes this... if we compare a lit lamp with life this can be perfectly understood.

    Lamp can go off if:

    1. Thread has been exhausted
    2. Oil has been exhausted
    3. Thread and Oil both exhausted
    4. A sudden gust of wind take it down

    So obviously the case with Licoln was the last of the explanation, but the problem comes when we try to understand come Karmic forces are tranferred from this World to the next..

    Although the idea is there, in today's world this cannot be proven by science, let alone transferring Karma we are not even sure if rebirth is possible!

    So how it gets transferred, if it gets transferred is the BIG QUESTION, which I doubt we will ever know from Scientific perspective!
     

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    quoting and replying will create a long post. So, this post is without quotes.

    Now as there are various karma by increasing one's karma, arn't we just prolonging the rebirth cycle ? be it supportive karma or destructive karma ?
     
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    sri_lion said:
    1. Expiration of Age Limit
    2. Expiration of Reproductive Karma which we are born with
    3. Expiration of both of the above at once
    4. Effect of Destructive Karma

    1st 3 types are of what we say "Natural Death", last one "Untimely Death"....

    Many of us go to the Temple and light up lamps but the hidden meaning of lighting a lamp actually symbolizes this... if we compare a lit lamp with life this can be perfectly understood.

    Lamp can go off if:

    1. Thread has been exhausted
    2. Oil has been exhausted
    3. Thread and Oil both exhausted
    4. A sudden gust of wind take it down

    So obviously the case with Licoln was the last of the explanation, but the problem comes when we try to understand come Karmic forces are tranferred from this World to the next..

    Although the idea is there, in today's world this cannot be proven by science, let alone transferring Karma we are not even sure if rebirth is possible!

    So how it gets transferred, if it gets transferred is the BIG QUESTION, which I doubt we will ever know from Scientific perspective!
    2. Expiration of Reproductive Karma which we are born with can also may not be powerful that one can die untimely,,,

    Buddha had said the 2 qualities of one with Pragna are
    1 sense of Reincarnation
    2 Sense of Karma and vipaka.
    And he had said His teaching is for one has Pragna.
    There are many who were born in other religions but sense both.
     
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    kosandpol said:
    quoting and replying will create a long post. So, this post is without quotes.

    Now as there are various karma by increasing one's karma, arn't we just prolonging the rebirth cycle ? be it supportive karma or destructive karma ?

    Yes... but even if we don't commit karma our life prolongs... just by living... unless you are an Arhath lifeline becomes longer. If an Anagami person dies his next life is 84,000 kalpas long.