What is Buddhism ?

[kosandpol]

Yes... but even if we don't commit karma our life prolongs... just by living... unless you are an Arhath lifeline becomes longer. If an Anagami person dies his next life is 84,000 kalpas long.

err.. how is that possible ?? if there's no karma committed, how can life alone prolong the cycle ?

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

err.. how is that possible ?? if there's no karma committed, how can life alone prolong the cycle ?

Bhava depends on Upadana... not on Karma...
Say you are sitting in hot son... You dislike it..
Dwesha sanskhara produced in you.
you are not committing any karma.. which will give fruits
but this upadana creates Bhava which results in jaathi.
If you react with a strong Sankhara
it can become Karma.
When you practice Samma Sati
with Vipassana you don't add any sanskhara
and you allow old Sanskhara to be get deleted.

So when all the Sanskhara is gone you are fully enlightnend
but your old Karama will still take effect.
You can't delete Karma... only Sanskhara.
The one and only way to shorten life line is Samma Sati.
Ekayano ayan maggo
Sattanan visuddhiya,

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[kosandpol]

Bhava depends on Upadana... not on Karma...
Say you are sitting in hot son... You dislike it..
Dwesha sanskhara produced in you.
you are not committing any karma.. .

Unless I'm mistaken, karma is committed at this stage. If a dislike was felt, it had already launched a thought process that lead to a karma.

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

Unless I'm mistaken, karma is committed at this stage. If a dislike was felt, it had already launched a thought process that lead to a karma.

I thought of this
after hitting submit button
and explained to my wife.
So happy that you are really following this.

Yes.
If chetana is there
Karma is there in this case
because reacting to
something outside is there,

Let us consider this.
When dhyana is attained
by practising Hindu techniques
or practising Buddhist techniques in Hindu style (?)
Sanskhara happens...
Deeper the dhyana deeper the Upadaana.

How can I be so sure.?
If one dies
when he is still in Dhyaana
he gets a very long life
in a Brahma dimension as a result.
He was not in Raga, Not in Dwesha,
Not in Samma sati.
what else is left?
Only Moha.

Dhyana attained by Laukika Samadhi
is a state of Moha.

In that too Chetana can be there.
But difficult to explain.

Karma won't be ceased at enlightenment.
Reacting while comitting
a strong Karma like Ananthariya
accumulates very strong Sankharas.

Better to relate Bhava -life line with
Upadana and Sankhara.
Because they can be ceased with Samma Sati,
but not Karma.

Karma is a parallel phenomena
which can confuse the principle of Bhava.
Upadana pachchaya bhava.

And another point
if thanha is not resulted in upadana
bhava does not happen.
Thirsty > Tanha for water > drinks water
No problem
Thirsty > Tanha for water > No water > Samma Sati
No problem
Thirsty > Tanha for water > No water > cursing, blaming (upadana)
Then the Problem.

Nature do not make us pay for natural acts.
If we over act we have to pay.

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[methsri]

The one and only way to shorten life line is Samma Sati.
Ekayano ayan maggo
Sattanan visuddhiya,​

I didn't got this clearly ....Samma sathi is the seventh one in Aryaashtangika Margaya .....According to what i heard ...you can't fullfill Samma Sati ...without fullfilling others ...isn't that so ??? or i did i took your answer incorrectly ????

 

[methsri]

And another point
if thanha is not resulted in upadana
bhava does not happen.
Thirsty > Tanha for water > drinks water
No problem
Thirsty > Tanha for water > No water > Samma Sati
No problem
Thirsty > Tanha for water > No water > cursing, blaming (upadana)
Then the Problem.​

Nature do not make us pay for natural acts.
If we over act we have to pay.​

i didn't got this either ....Thirsty is something originating as a need ....is it orginating because that person is in Thanha ????

i think if one is thirsty for ...hmm lets say ...alchohol ...this is happen because of Thanha ...

 

[mawella]

 

[kosandpol]

i didn't got this either ....Thirsty is something originating as a need ....is it orginating because that person is in Thanha ????

i think if one is thirsty for ...hmm lets say ...alchohol ...this is happen because of Thanha ...

thirsty, because the body needs liquids -- natural need.

thirsty, because you crave for alcohol -- greed (thanha).

That is the difference.

 

[kosandpol]

this is the PRO section. not the place for this type of posts.

 

[kosandpol]

I didn't got this clearly ....Samma sathi is the seventh one in Aryaashtangika Margaya .....According to what i heard ...you can't fullfill Samma Sati ...without fullfilling others ...isn't that so ??? or i did i took your answer incorrectly ????

Can you elaborate please ?
What are the steps in the 8 fold path ?
What else needs to be fulfilled for Samma Sathi to take place ?

 

[kosandpol]

And another point
if thanha is not resulted in upadana
bhava does not happen.
Thirsty > Tanha for water > drinks water
No problem
Thirsty > Tanha for water > No water > Samma Sati
No problem
Thirsty > Tanha for water > No water > cursing, blaming (upadana)
Then the Problem.

Nature do not make us pay for natural acts.
If we over act we have to pay.

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I see a slight problem here. Maybe the example isnt right ?
Does Thirsty mean greed (thanha) for what ever liquid (water, soda, etc) or simply the body's natural requirement for liquids ?

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

I see a slight problem here. Maybe the example isnt right ?
Does Thirsty mean greed (thanha) for what ever liquid (water, soda, etc) or simply the body's natural requirement for liquids ?

Simply the body's natural requirement for liquids ?
When he tries to choose
Sankhara comes up
and make a list of what he likes and dislikes.
Then, if he chooses based on like or dislike
he is on Upadaana level.
Karma intensified according to the amount of Sankharas.
Bhava becomes a little or much longer.

If he uses pragna to choose
with upeksha
being equanimous,
Bhava does not happen,
and since he is aware of the Sankharas
they too get eradicated.
Vaya dhamma sankhara,
Uppada vaya dhammino
uppajjithva nirujjhanti.
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[AtulaSiriwardane]

I didn't got this clearly ....Samma sathi is the seventh one in Aryaashtangika Margaya .....According to what i heard ...you can't fullfill Samma Sati ...without fullfilling others ...isn't that so ??? or i did i took your answer incorrectly ????

There is no order to practice Dhamma,
or walking on the path.
If you practise Seela
it helps Samadhi and Pragna.
If you practise Samadhi
it helps Seela and Pragna.
If you practise Pragna
it helps Seela and Samadhi.
Practicing one helps all the others.
In short
Samma sati is
Kayanupassana
Vedananupassana
Chitthanupassana
Dhammanupassana.
This awareness of oneself is so easy to do
if one is willing for any person.
The level ould be difference.
But even a child can practice.
Actually children are more aware than adults.
It is not strong because they have not learned to concentrate.
When they learn to concentrate
they have the ability to be aware of oneself.
Without that every decision is incomplete
because he is not established on himself.
One with Samma Sati can't commit a karma.

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[AtulaSiriwardane]

i didn't got this either ....Thirsty is something originating as a need ....is it orginating because that person is in Thanha ????

i think if one is thirsty for ...hmm lets say ...alchohol ...this is happen because of Thanha ...

Need for water
and the attachment to water
both are natural.
Not only alcohol,
even for a coke, or Fanta
has raga sanskhara involved.
Some upadana is there.

Jesus said similarly
"Don't judge, not to be judged"
Hebrew words must have been closer to the principle.
If you judge with Raga or Dwesha
you will be judged according to them
as someone with Sankharas.


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[kosandpol]

Simply the body's natural requirement for liquids ?
When he tries to choose
Sankhara comes up
and make a list of what he likes and dislikes.
Then, if he chooses based on like or dislike
he is on Upadaana level.
Karma intensified according to the amount of Sankharas.
Bhava becomes a little or much longer.

by running off a list of like and/or dislike, Greed has already set in, Thus, "klesha" --> Karma

If he uses pragna to choose
with upeksha
being equanimous,
Bhava does not happen,
and since he is aware of the Sankharas
they too get eradicated.
Vaya dhamma sankhara,
Uppada vaya dhammino
uppajjithva nirujjhanti.

Body is thirsty --> drink what ever available drinkable liquid
no karma in this situation right ?

If this is correct, what happens if the available liquid happens to be alcohol ?

 

[thathsara.sl]

according to me its the medicine for desease called suffering which is coused by connection with each other.

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

according to me its the medicine for desease called suffering which is coused by connection with each other.

That sonds new.
Can you elaborate?

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[kosandpol]

according to me its the medicine for desease called suffering which is coused by connection with each other.

only with each other? not by one's self ?

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

Phassa > Vedana > Sangna > Sankhara > Vingana.

Avijjha Pacchaya Sankhara Pacchaya Vingana.

What do you notice and what can you conclude?
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[AtulaSiriwardane]

Simply the body's natural requirement for liquids ?
When he tries to choose
Sankhara comes up
and make a list of what he likes and dislikes.
Then, if he chooses based on like or dislike
he is on Upadaana level.
Karma intensified according to the amount of Sankharas.
Bhava becomes a little or much longer.

If he uses pragna to choose
with upeksha
being equanimous,
Bhava does not happen,
and since he is aware of the Sankharas
they too get eradicated.
Vaya dhamma sankhara,
Uppada vaya dhammino
uppajjithva nirujjhanti.
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Some information on the technique
to practice doing this.
Interview on Vipassana with Teacher Mr S.N.Goenka
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