මම

[KasunKDP]

එතකොට හිතපං conscious අපි ඔක්කොම එකතු වෙලා නිර්මාණය කරන සමාජය entity එකක් විදිහට අපිට නොදැනෙන වෙනම විදිහකට conscious නං ? සමාජය හැසිරෙන ප්‍රතික්‍රියා දක්වන විදිහ ගොඩක් වෙලාවට conscious ජීවියෙක් වගේ

වෙන්න පුළුවන්...
එත් ඒ සමාජෙන් දකින්නේ රටාවක් විටරයි,,, concious ජිවියෙක්ගේ behavior එකක් කියන්න බෑ, අනේ මන්ද.. හැබැයි අපේ ඇගේ තියන සයිලත් ඔහොම හිතනවා ඇති අපි ගැනත් ( උගේ ලෙවෙල් එකට අනුව )

 

[Pessimist]

well, maybe they hallucinated or they really gained that knowledge...
probelm is that its impossible to test a consciousness, unlike testing something physical.
Dont know whether science will be able to demystify this,, if it manage to do so it will be the ultimate invention of humanity, answer to the ultimate question.. there will be mass suicides , hedonism , nihilism depending on the outcome.

contrary to popular belief i don't think science has that much of an affect on our society it's just an integral part of our culture but most things people do, be them scientific or unscientific, they do them because of their gut feeling.

and i don't think science will ever uncover the mystery behind consciousness they surely will find persisting patterns in our brain function. they might even map our whole brain's structure before the end of this century. but no amount of knowledge on structure and it's working cannot describe what it feels like to be me.

you can have your whole brain (or even body if you believe our whole body is involved in thinking and feeling) scanned and mapped. i can study every single detail of that map. but i will never understand what it truly like to be you. this will always be beyond scientific investigation

 

[Emios]

Hey bro let me ask you a question outside of the subject matter. Do you think the average Aussie citizen is intelligent or are there also big idiots out there like in SL? Coz its proven that the average US citizen is foolish when compared with the rest of the developed world.....

I dont know for sure bro.They test intelligence by asking some general knowledge,which is not a accurate instrument to test intelligence i think.look at india and sri lanka with all the spiritual knowledge and all no gain what so ever,more and more foreigners learn about yoga and life than the people who born in it.One thing i know they enjoy life than we do.We are burried with the borrowed intelligence from spiritual things.Because we dont use it as intended.

 

[G.D.1.nirmal]

if we were robots we would have been more successful in evolutionary terms. just look at all the drama involved in a simple relationship. consciousness is killing reproduction. i still don't think it was impossible for creatures without consciousness to have successfully reproduced and evolved.

you are right in a way. But i also think consciousness is also embedded into our body. See the way even a primal being react to danger and how they try to protect themselves from their enemies. How beings sweat and shit when they are scared of death. And also consciousness has helped the human race to be well above the rest of the animal groups and create huge civilizations while making slaves of other animals....

 

[Pessimist]

If you want to create a reason to be then you are creating a limited enitity.If consiousness had a reason to came to be then the consiousness is limited.Then it should have a goal too.If it had a goal you are limiting and restricitng the possibilities of life.You cannot find the reason why consiousness came to be,because if you do find then it is not consiousness.

i know it's a BIG ASSUMPTION to think everything should have a reason, either causal or teleological all i'm saying is materialism doesn't properly explain why or how is that i feel myself my belief is there is something more involved in this. something persisting (in a sense).

වෙන්න පුළුවන්...
එත් ඒ සමාජෙන් දකින්නේ රටාවක් විටරයි,,, concious ජිවියෙක්ගේ behavior එකක් කියන්න බෑ, අනේ මන්ද.. හැබැයි අපේ ඇගේ තියන සයිලත් ඔහොම හිතනවා ඇති අපි ගැනත් ( උගේ ලෙවෙල් එකට අනුව )

conscious ජීවියෙක්ගෙ වුනත් අපි දකින්නෙ රටා ටිකක් විතරනෙ. මට මං හැර වෙන කවුරුත් conscious කියල ගෝචර වෙන්නෙ නෑනෙ සමාජෙත් එහෙම තමා හැදිල තියෙන මිනිස්සු හැමෝම ගන්න තීරණ අනුව සමාජයත් තනි තීරණ ගන්නව වගේ අපිට දැක්කෑකි. අනික හැදිල තියෙන මිනිස්සු තීරණ ගන්නෙත් සමාජෙට ඕනෙ විදිහට.

ඔය ගැන ලස්සන ලිපියක් හම්බවුනා. ඒකෙ කියන්නෙ අපි දැනටමත් අපේ පාලනයෙන් ගිලිහුණ අපිව පාලනේ කරන කෘතිම බුද්ධියක් හදාගෙන තියෙන්නෙ. ඒකට කියන්නෙ corporations කියල. corporation එකක තීරණ ගැනෙන්නෙ සමහර විටceo ටවත් පාලනේ කරගන්න බැරි විදිහට

 

[AnuradhaRa]

කොන්චස්

 

[G.D.1.nirmal]

contrary to popular belief i don't think science has that much of an affect on our society it's just an integral part of our culture but most things people do, be them scientific or unscientific, they do them because of their gut feeling.

and i don't think science will ever uncover the mystery behind consciousness they surely will find persisting patterns in our brain function. they might even map our whole brain's structure before the end of this century. but no amount of knowledge on structure and it's working cannot describe what it feels like to be me.

you can have your whole brain (or even body if you believe our whole body is involved in thinking and feeling) scanned and mapped. i can study every single detail of that map. but i will never understand what it truly like to be you. this will always be beyond scientific investigation

Guess you are right in that explanation

 

[KasunKDP]

contrary to popular belief i don't think science has that much of an affect on our society it's just an integral part of our culture but most things people do, be them scientific or unscientific, they do them because of their gut feeling.

and i don't think science will ever uncover the mystery behind consciousness they surely will find persisting patterns in our brain function. they might even map our whole brain's structure before the end of this century. but no amount of knowledge on structure and it's working cannot describe what it feels like to be me.

you can have your whole brain (or even body if you believe our whole body is involved in thinking and feeling) scanned and mapped. i can study every single detail of that map. but i will never understand what it truly like to be you. this will always be beyond scientific investigation

society is becoming more and more aware of contemporary science.. so i imagine at a time when scinece is advanced enough to uncover conciouenness, most individuals would have a great science literacy.

well, it is true that its impossible to know 'what it feels to be me'.. but, i think it could be possible to know what 'makes me me' and answer questions like,

* if any conditions of the moment my parents had sex were different would it have output a different ego ?

* when i die , do my consciousness get destroyed forever.?

..etc



yeah, even the answers for these questions wont be straightforward, but we will get some idea in a indirect way. just like we most certain there are blackholes even though there is no way to detect them directly

 

[Pessimist]

you are right in a way. But i also think consciousness is also embedded into our body. See the way even a primal being react to danger and how they try to protect themselves from their enemies. How beings sweat and shit when they are scared of death. And also consciousness has helped the human race to be well above the rest of the animal groups and create huge civilizations while making slaves of other animals....

that sweating and rising heart rate are nowhere near conscious decisions. they just happen becuase that's how we are genetically programmed without us being aware of. unconscious actions play a huge role in our defense mechanism, sometimes even more than conscious actions

 

[Emios]

society is becoming more and more aware of contemporary science.. so i imagine at a time when scinece is advanced enough to uncover conciouenness, most individuals would have a great science literacy.

well, it is true that its impossible to know 'what it feels to be me'.. but, i think it could be possible to know what 'makes me me' and answer questions like,

* if any conditions of the moment my parents had sex were different would it have output a different ego ?

* when i die , do my consciousness get destroyed forever.?

..etc



yeah, even the answers for these questions wont be straightforward, but we will get some idea in a indirect way. just like we most certain there are blackholes even though there is no way to detect them directly

I think there are plenty of findings in the science world that consiousness exist after death.I saw a few recently.

 

[KasunKDP]

i know it's a BIG ASSUMPTION to think everything should have a reason, either causal or teleological all i'm saying is materialism doesn't properly explain why or how is that i feel myself my belief is there is something more involved in this. something persisting (in a sense).




conscious ජීවියෙක්ගෙ වුනත් අපි දකින්නෙ රටා ටිකක් විතරනෙ. මට මං හැර වෙන කවුරුත් conscious කියල ගෝචර වෙන්නෙ නෑනෙ සමාජෙත් එහෙම තමා හැදිල තියෙන මිනිස්සු හැමෝම ගන්න තීරණ අනුව සමාජයත් තනි තීරණ ගන්නව වගේ අපිට දැක්කෑකි. අනික හැදිල තියෙන මිනිස්සු තීරණ ගන්නෙත් සමාජෙට ඕනෙ විදිහට.

ඔය ගැන ලස්සන ලිපියක් හම්බවුනා. ඒකෙ කියන්නෙ අපි දැනටමත් අපේ පාලනයෙන් ගිලිහුණ අපිව පාලනේ කරන කෘතිම බුද්ධියක් හදාගෙන තියෙන්නෙ. ඒකට කියන්නෙ corporations කියල. corporation එකක තීරණ ගැනෙන්නෙ සමහර විටceo ටවත් පාලනේ කරගන්න බැරි විදිහට

ඔව් එක තමයි...
එක අතකින් බැලුවම consciousness එක කියන්නේ nothing more than a pattern
අපිට අනිත් patten ගෝචර නෑ...

 

[G.D.1.nirmal]

I dont know for sure bro.They test intelligence by asking some general knowledge,which is not a accurate instrument to test intelligence i think.look at india and sri lanka with all the spiritual knowledge and all no gain what so ever,more and more foreigners learn about yoga and life than the people who born in it.One thing i know they enjoy life than we do.We are burried with the borrowed intelligence from spiritual things.Because we dont use it as intended.

Spiritual knowledge. Bullshit most of them are scams except for Buddhism and astrology. They are not scientifically based or anything. Just used as income generating frauds. That why the ppl in our country are damned I think. Thought the situation is different in developed world......

 

[sadamol buwa]

කසුනා..... කෝ යකෝ තොගේ ෆොටෝස්..... මගේ යාලුවෙකුත් ට්‍රාන්ස් ජෙන්ඩ් වෙන්න හදන්නේ.... ඊට කලින් ඌට බලන්න ඔවලු එහෙම උනාම කොයි වගේද කියලා..... ඉක්මනට දාපංකෝ....

 

[Emios]

ඔව් එක තමයි...
එක අතකින් බැලුවම consciousness එක කියන්නේ nothing more than a pattern
අපිට අනිත් patten ගෝචර නෑ...

Yes it is a pattern as long as you consider yourself as a wave.because the wave has its own charctertics.

 

[KasunKDP]

I think there are plenty of findings in the science world that consiousness exist after death.I saw a few recently.

well, there are millions of scientists in this world,,
some believe in religions more than science..
but those most scientists dont agree with those pseudo science-ish claims..

 

[dayt0na]

I dont know for sure bro.They test intelligence by asking some general knowledge,which is not a accurate instrument to test intelligence i think.look at india and sri lanka with all the spiritual knowledge and all no gain what so ever,more and more foreigners learn about yoga and life than the people who born in it.One thing i know they enjoy life than we do.We are burried with the borrowed intelligence from spiritual things.Because we dont use it as intended.

intelligence is not measured through g.k questions

 

[G.D.1.nirmal]

that sweating and rising heart rate are nowhere near conscious decisions. they just happen becuase that's how we are genetically programmed without us being aware of. unconscious actions play a huge role in our defense mechanism, sometimes even more than conscious actions

Yes that is true after all.....

 

[dayt0na]

Spiritual knowledge. Bullshit most of them are scams except for Buddhism and astrology. They are not scientifically based or anything. Just used as income generating frauds. That why the ppl in our country are damned I think. Thought the situation is different in developed world......

our country is doomed because of buddhism and astrology?

 

[KasunKDP]

කසුනා..... කෝ යකෝ තොගේ ෆොටෝස්..... මගේ යාලුවෙකුත් ට්‍රාන්ස් ජෙන්ඩ් වෙන්න හදන්නේ.... ඊට කලින් ඌට බලන්න ඔවලු එහෙම උනාම කොයි වගේද කියලා..... ඉක්මනට දාපංකෝ....

ඉතින් යකෝ උබේ යාළුවා මම වගේ යැ

 

[Pessimist]

society is becoming more and more aware of contemporary science.. so i imagine at a time when scinece is advanced enough to uncover conciouenness, most individuals would have a great science literacy.

well, it is true that its impossible to know 'what it feels to be me'.. but, i think it could be possible to know what 'makes me me' and answer questions like,

* if any conditions of the moment my parents had sex were different would it have output a different ego ?

* when i die , do my consciousness get destroyed forever.?

..etc



yeah, even the answers for these questions wont be straightforward, but we will get some idea in a indirect way. just like we most certain there are blackholes even though there is no way to detect them directly

actually contemporary science is becoming more and more complicated it's nearly impossible for some random citizen to even learn the basics of it we just have to have faith in scientists and accept whatever they say of something that is in the range of their specialty. what's actually happening is science popularizers are presenting some ideas as results of those complex theories and society accepting and learning them. it works exactly like a religion.

i don't think science will go near answering 2nd question science might be able to find 2 different brains having the same structure. but does it really proves they both share the same consciousness ?