Onboard audio Vs Decated sound card

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sri_lion said:
That's utterly low-level comment!

How can you command someone to post or not to post? So in other words the only ones who are eligible to comment on this thread are the ones that agree with you? People have a right to question and to express their views if you can't take it that's your problem! :rolleyes:

If you are not used to people who doesn't take anything for granted then this is not the forum for you I'm sorry!!

He questioned....all of em were answered.....he still wants to make war......what do u have to say to that.......
 

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If u are not a audio person why would u post in these threads?? these are for ppl who understand the value of audio and ppl who have experienced quility audio....i dont want to make a war but u just dont qualify to post in audio threads....ull be better off in marketing.....
Sorry but I have to disagree...I'm more than qualified to see that you have a problem with your PC (20% CPU utilization when playing audio? :rofl:), that your benchmarking is flowed (told you that already..and you did correct it...BRAVO) and that you gave prominence to the CPU utilization over the audio quality (first post! Quite dumb I would say, 'cos people (at first glance...) might think you are paying USD200-400 to lower the CPU utilization instead of buying a new CPU which would give you much more practical results)

Get some practice in (other) forums (where nobody agrees with you)...that's my advice....That'll at least help you with anger management.

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I never disagreed with the improved audio quality of a dedicated and good (not all dedicated audio cards can be good....do you know that there are mobo's with integrated Audigy 2 chips?) card compared to integrated solutions. Only question is, is it worth it? For most people, no. For some people yes. For some people who have no idea about audio quality, still a high end card is a must, to balance their systems....After paying USD3000 on a rig, if you are still on integrated audio, he should be shot!

Edit: Forgot the bold out the most important part...and some condolence note :P
 
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chanster said:
He questioned....all of em were answered.....he still wants to make war......what do u have to say to that.......

Can you show me where have anyone started to make WAR with you? Although I've seen people asking you to avoid making "forceful comments"!!

Anyway, you are obsessed with Sound and some other people are obsessed with Graphics! You cannot argue that given a chance, getting a high-end sound is better or getting a high-end VGA is better! It depends on how you look at it...

Some of us here are looking for the performance of the PC, in which case a High-End VGA would definitely help in raising your PC's performance, if we look from that angle I wonder how a sound card would effect the performance of a PC! Correct me if I'm wrong sound has no say in PC's performance, but purely based on the level of user's satisfaction, where as VGA does help performance + satisfaction!!
 

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    chanster said:
    He questioned....all of em were answered.....he still wants to make war......what do u have to say to that.......

    Why did you stopped badmouthing OB cards? :P (Btw I didnt saw a reply from you after I told you that I was already playing the mp3 with an environment. :rolleyes: )
     

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    Anusha said:
    Sorry but I have to disagree...I'm more than qualified to see that you have a problem with your PC (20% CPU utilization when playing audio? :rofl:), that your benchmarking is flowed (told you that already..and you did correct it...BRAVO) and that you gave prominence to the CPU utilization over the audio quality (first post! Quite dumb I would say, 'cos people (at first glance...) might think you are paying USD200-400 to lower the CPU utilization instead of buying a new CPU which would give you much more practical results)

    Get some practice in (other) forums (where nobody agrees with you)...that's my advice....That'll at least help you with anger management.

    P.S.
    I never disagreed with the improved audio quality of a dedicated and good (not all dedicated audio cards can be good....do you know that there are mobo's with integrated Audigy 2 chips?) card compared to integrated solutions. Only question is, is it worth it? For most people, no. For some people yes. For some people who have no idea about audio quality, still a high end card is a must, to balance their systems....After paying USD3000 on a rig, if you are still on integrated audio, he should be shot!

    Edit: Forgot the bold out the most important part...and some condolence note :P

    ok my aplogies....my test waz bull......i dnt have previlages to show you.....

    I have only 1 question......u keep on evoiding it...Have u actually heard a Audigy 2 or X-Fi perform on a decent speaker system?
     

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    chanster said:
    If u are not a audio person why would u post in these threads?? these are for ppl who understand the value of audio and ppl who have experienced quility audio....i dont want to make a war but u just dont qualify to post in audio threads....ull be better off in marketing.....

    You say you don't want to make a "war" but by looking @ your posts anyone can guess who caused it. :lol: & If EK had strict rules like some geeky sites you'd be warned couple of times for flaming other members & starting fights/wars.
     

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    ok my aplogies....my test waz bull......i dnt have previlages to show you.....

    I have only 1 question......u keep on evoiding it...Have u actually heard a Audigy 2 or X-Fi perform on a decent speaker system?
    No. And I don't think I ever will :D
     

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    sri_lion said:
    Can you show me where have anyone started to make WAR with you? Although I've seen people asking you to avoid making "forceful comments"!!

    Anyway, you are obsessed with Sound and some other people are obsessed with Graphics! You cannot argue that given a chance, getting a high-end sound is better or getting a high-end VGA is better! It depends on how you look at it...

    Some of us here are looking for the performance of the PC, in which case a High-End VGA would definitely help in raising your PC's performance, if we look from that angle I wonder how a sound card would effect the performance of a PC! Correct me if I'm wrong sound has no say in PC's performance, but purely based on the level of user's satisfaction, where as VGA does help performance + satisfaction!!

    You are quite rite....90% in SL wont need a sound card.....thats is because ppl dont know about the wonderful qualities a sound card has to offer...As a member mentioned above if u take a 6800GT n X-Fi platinum 99% will take the 6800.....
    Im trying to do some good to the people here....to show em what a sound card is....bt no one can help ppl are so stubborn.......
    For example:The native Sri Lankans didnt want to work with the british because they were so arrogane n strong headed....so the british had to bring tamils in from India to work for the british....N now what is the situation in the country?
     

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    Anusha said:
    Well...you misunderstood me. That bolded over word make it a valid comment. If a person have a top end VGA card, he should be buying a good sound card.

    But if a person has integrated video and integrated audio, and if he gets to spend USD200 on any one of them, he would definitely go for the VGA, because the return he gets from it is much more significant. (sometimes a 10 fold performance increase with a VGA card...and how much would he get from a sound card?)

    correction.
    there are 4 types of person if we're mentioning about preferances.

    1. the person just starts in PC world, or he is a casual gamer, or he didn't know much about audio.
    that person will buy VGA for $200 indeed.

    2. the person knows about audio, and started to realize what hardwares he needs in his PC.
    that person will spend $140 on VGA and $60 on a soundcard (yes, X-Fo Xtreme Music is price at $60 outside srilanka)

    3. the person retired from any other PC hardware trends becos he has found new enjoyment in PC audio/HTPC/Audiophile.
    that person will spend none at VGA (yes, NONE!), and will spend all on audio setup starting from a soundcard.

    4. the person has all the money he needs to get best of all.

    i dunno about srilankan ppl, but atleast this is what happens on US, Europe, Japan, China, Singapore, and ofcoz Indonesia.

    if not... i would have been bankrupt long long long time ago laddie:lol:
     

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    ooo yeah... for those who needs information about what is a soundcard, and what it does....

    read my post on other thread:

    Dj.BigBear said:
    hi guys,
    i'm joining this forum just to answer this typical question, as requested by my dear friend Chanster.

    i may not know much about audio, but atleast i know the basics, but i think i can answer this matter technically.
    and i have been helping out on other audio forum as well for quite some time.



    what makes a soundcard so different from onboard?

    a soundcard is a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter), its task is to convert digital data from media source (such as CD, MP3, FLAC, APE, etc etc) into analog signal to be later converted into sound by a speaker.

    while onboard and add-on soundcard has similar task, those soundcards have different ways and tools to convert those data into signal.

    and while onboard depends on CPU and RAM to process those, an add-on soundcard has its own processor and ram to do that.

    if we're talking about greatness of those CPU and RAM, ofcourse technically a core2duo or core2quad is greater, but please do keep in mind that those processor need to process other task than just an audio....
    in gaming a CPU and RAM on PC has to manage perform tasks from the game software to produce complicated and stressful calculations and graphics.
    while on the other hand, using a dedicated soundcard will release the burden of those tasks from your CPU and RAM and not to mention those add-on soundcard has above normal priority set for doing audio processing.
    so by having add-on soundcards, atleast there will be no more choppy and screechy or any other distracting/interfering sound;)



    now we move on to sound quality.
    ever wonder what makes audiophile CD player is so damn expensive(such as Denon CD Player)?
    basically a CD player is a DAC (or soundcard itself) becos its task is to read from digital data(CD) and convert it to analog signal through RCA cables (Red and White plug cables)
    those expensive CD Player has top notch components such as audio grade capacitors, Operational Amplifiers, and DAC Chip, so there for they produce far superior sound quality compared to other CD/DVD player you can find on the market(toshiba/or any other china brand)

    you could test it yourself using the same speaker and you will notice it immediately.

    now a soundcard is just the same as those audiophile CD Player minus the CD reader.
    it processes those audio task dedicatedly, and using components made solely for that purpose.

    this is not a snake oil, if you can demo/hear it for yourself, you should pinpoint the exact difference between generic DAC such as onboard soundcard which depends heavily on PC CPU/RAM with a great dedicated DAC soundcard.


    plus, how many of you guys using onboard kept hearing slight static/hissing noise when moving your mouse?
    or choppy/ laggy sound when playing games, watching movies..... and hearing music while unrar/unzipping large files?
    those things will never happen to a decent add-in soundcard.
     
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    chanster said:
    then you dont appreciate sound....ok your wish but dont let the ppl who want to experience a X-Fi get the wrong impression with your posts.....
    I guess people can make their own decision by reading the entire thread.
     

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    i'm trying to be as neutral as possible.....
    but both sides are starting to piss me off....

    knock it off you guys....

    take it easy... geez....
     

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    chanster said:
    Im trying to do some good to the people here....to show em what a sound card is....bt no one can help ppl are so stubborn.......
    For example:The native Sri Lankans didnt want to work with the british because they were so arrogane n strong headed....so the british had to bring tamils in from India to work for the british....N now what is the situation in the country?

    Well, Its not upto YOU! You cant force them to change their ways. & if one can't grasp that, He's the one being stubborn himself.
     

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    ok.... stop it... be reasonable and resourceful.....
    if you want technical explanation, i can provide the lots of you.
    but please keep it cool on both sides.
     

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    dpg said:
    Well, Its not upto YOU! You cant force them to change their ways. & if one can't grasp that, He's the one being stubborn himself.

    Hello....i didnt force anyone mydear......i was explaning a fact that having a sound card is better than onboard in all cases.......what i said was from people from all over the world......


    N yeah Plz lets not fight........ok ppl ......
     

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    Dj.BigBear said:
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    ok.... stop it... be reasonable and resourceful.....
    if you want technical explanation, i can provide the lots of you.
    but please keep it cool on both sides.

    How did an Indonesian guy like you all of a sudden ended up here in a SL forum? (dnt get me wrng, youre more than welcome to stay here. ) Did someone you met in another forum asked you for backup or something? :D
     

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    chanster said:
    Hello....i didnt force anyone mydear......i was explaning a fact that having a sound card is better than onboard in all cases.......what i said was from people from all over the world......


    N yeah Plz lets not fight........ok ppl ......


    Then why are you saying sorry in here? :lol:

    Dj.BigBear said:
    plus... chanster.... you really have to stop doing those forcefull statements.....

    chanster said:
    I know hehe........Sorry guys.......