Why do people (in SL mainly) fall for the higher video RAM = better gaming TRAP?

geethq

Well-known member
  • Sep 17, 2006
    49,949
    3,213
    113
    ~ඤාව්~
    bhai4uanu said:
    simply because they think "the bigger is better" :dull:
    eka aththane:rofl:
    better tamay
    GPU eka balala passe V ram eka balanawanam thamay?:D
    mehe FX5200 512MB eka unu kawm wage yanawa 6k+ mama hithanne
    8400Gs 256 4.5k~ eka ganne na:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

    mokada eka 256 ne:P
     

    geethq

    Well-known member
  • Sep 17, 2006
    49,949
    3,213
    113
    ~ඤාව්~
    sri_lion said:
    Hush Anusha.. what are you doing?

    Spending Rs.5000/= ++ for extra 512MB :lol::lol: If they never spend we wont get 512's for lower prices... :lol::lol:
    naa machan eka newey prashne
    ape aya hithanawa
    FX5500 1GB eka hoday GF6200 512 ekata wada

    eka hoday 8400GS 256 ekata wada kiyala:rofl:
    ekay seen eka
    8800GT newey GTX280 ""thibba kiyamuko"" 512MB
    ape ewn kiyay unge FX5200 1GB eka eeta hoday mokada Vram wadiy kiyala:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
    nathnam me 8800GT 512 ekada 1GB ekada kiyala prashne newey:D
    HD4850 unath e tika thamay:rofl:
     
    Last edited:

    Anusha

    Member
    Jun 13, 2006
    25,864
    5
    0
    geethq said:
    naa machan eka newey prashne
    ape aya hithanawa
    FX5500 1GB eka hoday GF6200 512 ekata wada

    eka hoday 8400GS 256 ekata wada kiyala:rofl:
    ekay seen eka
    8800GT newey GTX280 ""thibba kiyamuko"" 512MB
    ape ewn kiyay unge FX5200 1GB eka eeta hoday mokada Vram wadiy kiyala:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
    nathnam me 8800GT 512 ekada 1GB ekada kiyala prashne newey:D
    HD4850 unath e tika thamay:rofl:
    Ok ok, all these people say VGA RAM is not very important! Now tell us why :lol:
    Is it because review sites say so? :rofl:
     

    indika_sam

    Well-known member
  • Mar 25, 2008
    2,553
    2,454
    113
    yakkala
    be frank with you all, i have no much knowledge on the computer items. specially with those terms and tech words.

    but as you know i can speak, read and write (of coz) understand english. but till today, till i see this thread, i thought the same way as anusha bro was telling. (VGA is another item in a cpu, but not as a another small cpu in cpu.) but still i wonder what are the facts that we got to consider when buying a vga out of ram ?

    can somebody pls explain.....?

    thanx in advance.

    tc
     

    Anusha

    Member
    Jun 13, 2006
    25,864
    5
    0
    indika_sam said:
    be frank with you all, i have no much knowledge on the computer items. specially with those terms and tech words.

    but as you know i can speak, read and write (of coz) understand english. but till today, till i see this thread, i thought the same way as anusha bro was telling. (VGA is another item in a cpu, but not as a another small cpu in cpu.) but still i wonder what are the facts that we got to consider when buying a vga out of ram ?

    can somebody pls explain.....?

    thanx in advance.

    tc
    OK, first of all, I'm not saying RAM is not important. Video RAM is very important, but choosing the VGA ONLY by the amount of installed Video RAM is wrong.

    Like in PCs, where you match the amount of RAM with the other parts of the PC, you need to match the video RAM with the processor in the VGA. For example, you don't buy a quad core CPU with just 1GB RAM, right? Doesn't sound right, because you buy the Quad Core CPU to do a lot of multitasking, but as you don't have enough RAM to load a lot of programs into RAM at the same time, you are losing the advantage of the CPU.

    Likewise, the Video RAM has to be matched to the graphics processors as not to lose the advantage of one component by the other component.

    Why do you need RAM on VGA? Two things mainly.
    1. To hold the already processed frames (hence it is also called the frame buffer)
    2. To hold the data that is to be processed.
    3. To hold the high resolution textures instead of keeping them in the system RAM, as Video RAM is much faster than system RAM.

    The 1st and the 3rd points are critical as they require a lot of RAM. The amount of RAM used for holding the currently processed frames depends pretty much only on the resolution.

    Let's take three video card types.

    1. Low end (such as 8500GT/HD3650)
    Low end cards are characterized by less powerful processor + slower RAM, not amount of RAM on the card. Less powerful processor means you can't process large resolutions or complex calculations that are required in HIGH graphics settings, to give a playable frame rate. This means, you need to lower the resolution and graphics settings, THEN having lots of RAM is a waste. Basically 256MB of RAM is MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR THESE CARDS.

    2. Mid range cards (eg: 9600GT/8800GT/HD3870/HD4850)
    These cards can play games at 1280x1024 with no problem, and some work well at 1600x1200 as well. This means they need a lot of RAM to hold the frames, and as you can enable pretty much the highest graphics settings at those resolution, you need a lot of RAM to hold the textures and frames. But by a lot, I don't say A LOT! 512MB is pretty much enough for the processing power of these cards.

    Note: Texture storage is very important in some games, and not very important in some. In Crysis, if you enable high settings without having 512MB, because of these amount of textures it requires, the performance goes down A LOT! This is why 8800GT 256MB is VERY VERY VERY slow in Crysis, even at 1024x768. (See that the resolution DOESN'T need most of the Video RAM)

    3. Highend Video Cards (GTX260/280/HD4870/HD4870X2)
    These cards are capable of handling 1920x1200 or even 2560x1600 and with AA too!!! This is where you really really need video RAM. 512MB is not enough to match the capabilities of the graphics processor in these cards. You need 1GB or sometimes, even 2GB is not a waste at least on the HD4870X2.

    This is just a small guide, and there can be exceptions where more video RAM improves performance with low power CPUs too.
     

    indika_sam

    Well-known member
  • Mar 25, 2008
    2,553
    2,454
    113
    yakkala
    Anusha said:
    OK, first of all, I'm not saying RAM is not important. Video RAM is very important, but choosing the VGA ONLY by the amount of installed Video RAM is wrong.

    Like in PCs, where you match the amount of RAM with the other parts of the PC, you need to match the video RAM with the processor in the VGA. For example, you don't buy a quad core CPU with just 1GB RAM, right? Doesn't sound right, because you buy the Quad Core CPU to do a lot of multitasking, but as you don't have enough RAM to load a lot of programs into RAM at the same time, you are losing the advantage of the CPU.

    Likewise, the Video RAM has to be matched to the graphics processors as not to lose the advantage of one component by the other component.

    Why do you need RAM on VGA? Two things mainly.
    1. To hold the already processed frames (hence it is also called the frame buffer)
    2. To hold the data that is to be processed.
    3. To hold the high resolution textures instead of keeping them in the system RAM, as Video RAM is much faster than system RAM.

    The 1st and the 3rd points are critical as they require a lot of RAM. The amount of RAM used for holding the currently processed frames depends pretty much only on the resolution.

    Let's take three video card types.

    1. Low end (such as 8500GT/HD3650)
    Low end cards are characterized by less powerful processor + slower RAM, not amount of RAM on the card. Less powerful processor means you can't process large resolutions or complex calculations that are required in HIGH graphics settings, to give a playable frame rate. This means, you need to lower the resolution and graphics settings, THEN having lots of RAM is a waste. Basically 256MB of RAM is MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR THESE CARDS.

    2. Mid range cards (eg: 9600GT/8800GT/HD3870/HD4850)
    These cards can play games at 1280x1024 with no problem, and some work well at 1600x1200 as well. This means they need a lot of RAM to hold the frames, and as you can enable pretty much the highest graphics settings at those resolution, you need a lot of RAM to hold the textures and frames. But by a lot, I don't say A LOT! 512MB is pretty much enough for the processing power of these cards.

    Note: Texture storage is very important in some games, and not very important in some. In Crysis, if you enable high settings without having 512MB, because of these amount of textures it requires, the performance goes down A LOT! This is why 8800GT 256MB is VERY VERY VERY slow in Crysis, even at 1024x768. (See that the resolution DOESN'T need most of the Video RAM)

    3. Highend Video Cards (GTX260/280/HD4870/HD4870X2)
    These cards are capable of handling 1920x1200 or even 2560x1600 and with AA too!!! This is where you really really need video RAM. 512MB is not enough to match the capabilities of the graphics processor in these cards. You need 1GB or sometimes, even 2GB is not a waste at least on the HD4870X2.

    This is just a small guide, and there can be exceptions where more video RAM improves performance with low power CPUs too.

    thanx bro, for your nice and clean explanation.

    now i understand a bit abt VGA cards.

    thanx again.

    tc
     

    gayannr

    Member
    Sep 29, 2006
    3,479
    4
    0
    The City of Lost Heaven
    1.Stupidity
    2.n00b ness :lol:

    There was a guy who had a PC with 128MB or Ram and a VGA with 256MB of VRam. I don't know about the GPU since even he didn't know what his GPU was. Cool eh ?:P
    btw, the VGA was an upgrade to his PC. :D
     

    Anusha

    Member
    Jun 13, 2006
    25,864
    5
    0
    gayannr said:
    1.Stupidity
    2.n00b ness :lol:

    There was a guy who had a PC with 128MB or Ram and a VGA with 256MB of VRam. I don't know about the GPU since even he didn't know what his GPU was. Cool eh ?:P
    btw, the VGA was an upgrade to his PC. :D
    roflmao
     

    Sudantha_s

    Member
    Feb 2, 2007
    3,516
    7
    0
    Assassin Brotherhood
    Yes ! , Im Also in this Noob Group :D, I cant Remember day i got ma PC.I just We the Shop and asked about Intel G33 mobo and How much is the VRAM ? , he sayied its 285MB , I impressed .omg !! im having a 256MB VGA :dull:..Now i know its a Crap onboard thing with none shader + tec :angry:
     

    roshant

    Member
    Sep 25, 2008
    4,836
    157
    0
    Mars-Deimos-Phobos
    Anusha said:
    Just felt like asking.

    99% of people in Unity Plaza (sellers and buyers both parties) considered... the first question they ask when buying/selling a VGA how much is a VGA with "this much" RAM/how about a VGA with "this much" RAM.

    Why is it that when you are buying a PC, you mainly look at the CPU (very bad thing) and when buying the VGA you mainly look at the amount of video RAM (again, as bad as previous case)....when VGA is actually a small PC itself??? Why don't people look at the processor in the VGA???

    Let's hear some comments :D

    Yeah, ATI also comment that thing week ago ,Saying people think More VGA ram=More performance which is not actully true ,since more card manufactures put more Ram (1GB) and expensses coverd by lower clock speed Rams.
     

    Anusha

    Member
    Jun 13, 2006
    25,864
    5
    0
    Sudantha_s said:
    Yes ! , Im Also in this Noob Group :D, I cant Remember day i got ma PC.I just We the Shop and asked about Intel G33 mobo and How much is the VRAM ? , he sayied its 285MB , I impressed .omg !! im having a 256MB VGA :dull:..Now i know its a Crap onboard thing with none shader + tec :angry:
    LOL
     

    roshant

    Member
    Sep 25, 2008
    4,836
    157
    0
    Mars-Deimos-Phobos
    Anusha said:
    Just felt like asking.

    99% of people in Unity Plaza (sellers and buyers both parties) considered... the first question they ask when buying/selling a VGA how much is a VGA with "this much" RAM/how about a VGA with "this much" RAM.

    Why is it that when you are buying a PC, you mainly look at the CPU (very bad thing) and when buying the VGA you mainly look at the amount of video RAM (again, as bad as previous case)....when VGA is actually a small PC itself??? Why don't people look at the processor in the VGA???

    Let's hear some comments :D

    Other thing is people who work for U Plaza are simply not gamers or information diggers like us
     

    blood_brotha

    Member
    Sep 25, 2006
    6,308
    47
    0
    Nuuk, Greenland
    Anusha said:
    Just felt like asking.

    99% of people in Unity Plaza (sellers and buyers both parties) considered... the first question they ask when buying/selling a VGA how much is a VGA with "this much" RAM/how about a VGA with "this much" RAM.

    Why is it that when you are buying a PC, you mainly look at the CPU (very bad thing) and when buying the VGA you mainly look at the amount of video RAM (again, as bad as previous case)....when VGA is actually a small PC itself??? Why don't people look at the processor in the VGA???

    Let's hear some comments :D

    cuz they're idiots like u for asking this question:P :P